I noticed these on the "Sprue Brothers" website. They are available in .4mm, .6mm, .8mm, and 1.00mm. They might have application for us as some type of hose.

Here is a link also to Michigan Toy Soldier: http://www.michtoy.com/item-RII-RCH30006-Soft_Pipes_0.8mm_x_200mm_(5_pieces_per_package).html

Bill Welch

Guys, the photo at Needles was taken from the sand house (where sand was dried before being used in locomotives), the GS gondola was one of the Santa Fe's many Caswell drop bottom gons, and the workmen are doing the final clearing of sand after the drop bottom doors were opened. GS gondolas were mostly, but not entirely, self-clearing, especially with a fine granular load like sand, owing to the flat surfaces above the center sill and cross members. Locomotive sand for the Los Angeles and Arizona Divisions was shipped in Caswell gons from a beach sand plant at El Segundo. And, yes, the Santa Fe still had a sizable number of 36' wood sheathed box cars in revenue service during World War II, though they rapidly disappeared after the war ended. Most were upgraded (I.e. arch bar trucks replaced with Andrews) and reclassified in the early 1930s. I have a photo of one as far off-line as Pensacola, FL during the war.

Richard Hendrickson

Bill, I didn't say that. You are not a typical modeler, and I've seen you turn "Tyco Toss" materials
into museum quality models. I agree with Greg Martin that working with older kits can be fun -- I have
many kitbashed Athearn and other old models. As he said, YMMV.

Tim

In the not so distant future:
- Scan surviving 1:1 prototype freight car at 0.02mm accuracy...
- Select scale... and material...
- Hit "Print"

http://gigaom.com/2013/02/04/what-a-model-train-project-can-teach-us-about-the-future-of-3d-scanning-and-printing/


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Take a look in Culotta and Kline's Post War Freight Car Fleet. In it is a photo of a R-40-4 with sheet metal over the door. I asked Dick Harley about it, and IIRC his reply was that the cars originaly built as R-40-4s had exposed wood siding, but that older cars rebuilt to R-40-4 standards had the sheet metal. So just number your car in that number series.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

I note that the Tichy model [ the box calls it an R-40-4 ] of a PFE wood reefer has a metal [ I assume metal...no boards anyhow ] strip above the door. Photos of the R-40-4 in the PFE book show vertical wood boards there. Photos of R-30-13-9 and R-30-12-9 rebuilt in 1940 show a metal strip. Tony, do you know when the metal strip replaced [ or was placed over the boards ] occurred. Would R-40-4 cars have received the strips later? My intention was to scribe the boards but [gasp!] I never got around to doing it. Now, with so many members of the Prototype Police wandering around in early January I am worried about a citation...and all that goes with it.

Mike Brock

One of them appears to be this:
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.p
hp?cPath=67


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
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Date: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943






Sure looks like they are unloading sand. If so, it will be taken to a dryer
before it can be loaded into the dome.

Before seeing this I was under the (apparently mistaken) thought that all of
the Santa Fe's older wooden boxcars were gone before the start of WW II. But
at first I see at least two older wooden boxcars... maybe more.

Hmmmm...


Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA

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Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a
bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project
together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome
car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and
containing?

Regards

Bruce

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Gene Green wrote:

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Yes, there are trestles that are ground-level track over a DEPRESSED area for dumping. Is that an ELEVATED trestle? BTW, there are lots of photos of men shoveling out gondolas, but this is the only one I can recall where it is a GS gondola.

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So the ruling is the Revell/Con-Cor flat will not yield an good model of a CB&Q flat car? I remember being quite happy with mine after the modifications I made.

Bill Welch

Sure looks like they are unloading sand. If so, it will be taken to a dryer before it can be loaded into the dome.

Before seeing this I was under the (apparently mistaken) thought that all of the Santa Fe's older wooden boxcars were gone before the start of WW II. But at first I see at least two older wooden boxcars... maybe more.

Hmmmm...


 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA



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Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and containing?

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:

--- In STMFC@...@yahoogroups.com>, "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green

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Good morning Gene and Group,

Just for the record… I have seen a similar operation… in fact, I have been one of the shovelers.

In this case the sand was shoveled to the open drop bottom hatch -- most were blocked in the closed position -- where it fed into a hopper that dropped the sand onto a belt conveyor that lifted it over a concrete wall into a storage area at a building supply outfit. This in northeast Oklahoma on a hot summer day. A tough -- but honest -- way for a couple of high school kids to earn some "date" money.

Thanks for the memory.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green

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--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Gene, the CGW had a similar trestle (shorter) in Rochester Minn just east of the roundhouse for unloading engine coal. They probably had an elevator to load the tenders? Most photos show a snow plow spotted on the trestle.
Clark Propst

And I suppose the snow plow considered itself above it all.
Gene Green

Gene, the CGW had a similar trestle (shorter) in Rochester Minn just east of the roundhouse for unloading engine coal. They probably had an elevator to load the tenders? Most photos show a snow plow spotted on the trestle.
Clark Propst

Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and containing?


Regards

Bruce


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Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


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--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

I was just relaying what the magazine said to help Scott with his search for
information on those models and possible prototypes.



Steve Johnson





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O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 9:52 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Revell Flatcar





Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'

There's an article in the November 1987 issue of MODEL RAILROADING magazine
on upgrading the Revell/Con-Con HO model. The article says it's very
close to some CB&Q, CGW, NKP and C&O prototypes with plain stake pockets

and

to a ATSF car with three ribs on each stake pocket, and very close to a
welded GN car.
Steve Johnson

Steve or Scott,

Could one of you guys advise the class or number series of the ATSF flat
referred to in the 11/87 issue of Ding, please.

Cheers
Dave North

Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'

Thanks, Al. I know Byron did the masters for your PRR X23 kit, and they were outstanding (I really need to build mine someday...)

Bill Daniels
On Feb 3, 2013, at 6:30 PM, "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

Bill – Byron is still around. I trade DVDs of movie musicals with him. He’s been busy doing some house renovations (he’s an architect) and hasn’t done much modeling in a while. I did the casting for his flat car and others but that was long ago. H hasn’t put out a new kit in at least 10 years. - Al Westerfield

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Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 8:15 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar

Greg,

Your comment makes me wonder... is Pittsburgh Scale Models (Byron Rose) still around? I've got one of his flatcar kits here, and Byron mentions a scale-sized coupler pocket.

Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Revell Flatcar

Hello Scott,

Your notes to the list made me dig out my Blue Line copy of my article in
Mainline Modeler.

At the time I was like you and owned one of the cars and wasn't sure
exactly what I should do with it and at the time I figured I owned it and it
would be a shame not to create something believable out of it. So I did some
research on the car from past articles I could find and at that point
contacted Richard Hendrickson and he told me that the car closely represented the
ARR 50-ton flat but it was old tooling and told me that Pittsburgh Scale
Models has actually a better option for fidelity to scale. But he told me
that the car could be refined.

So the article was my way of making Chicken Soup from Chicken Poop you
might say as not long after the article broke I got a call from the folks at
Life Like announcing that they were releasing the kit in HO Scale very soon,
go figure.

The major issues that plague the car are the underframe and the fact that
the bolster sets too high, and the lack of and end sill (Revell had Talgo
couples and they didn't need any sticking end sill). The article focuses on
the Kit-smashing and how I dealt with the issues. I am happy to have the car
in my fleet and it has been in Cocoa Beach and at Naperville several times
and albeit no Life Like it is here to stay.

The question is, if you own it do you want to re-had it? I look at projects
like this as a not-so-very-high-priority, but if the if the spirit moves
me, well... And doing it might inspire someone else who has the model to do
the same.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 2/1/2013 10:24:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mailto:shhaycock%40comcast.net writes:

Going through a box of old stuff, I came across an old Revell flatcar body
about 54 feet long. Is this car representative of any prototype? I haven't
found anything but the body- no frame. If this car is worth fixing up,is
there a current flatcar model that would have the correct type of frame for
this car?
Thanks

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent
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Good evening, Richard
I found your Railmodel Journal articles, thanks for the tip. Could you direct me to information on the 70t AAR cars?
Thank you


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent