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Re: Revell Flatcar

Scott H. Haycock
 

I'm with you, Bill!
It seems that kitbashing is something of a dying art these days with the plethora of RTR and resin kits of exact or close to exact prototype matches. I, like a lot of others, have a number of kits from the past sitting on shelves. I have been looking at them with the idea of trying to build some decent layout models from them. The challenge is to try and match them to prototypes, which has become both easier, because of the collective knowledge of groups like this one and the historical societies, and harder, because of the raised bar created by the same!


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent

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So the ruling is the Revell/Con-Cor flat will not yield an good model of a CB&Q flat car? I remember being quite happy with mine after the modifications I made.

Bill Welch





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Re: Martin Lofton

Mark
 

I extend sympathy to the Lofton family. Thanks to all who shared there experience's with Martin.

Never met this fine family but always drooled over the offerings at Sunshine. Have a few of the kits to build and the will look great.

Sincerely, Mark Morgan

PS recently fired


Re: PFE Reefer question

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:
I note that the Tichy model [ the box calls it an R-40-4 ] of a PFE wood reefer has a metal [ I assume metal...no boards anyhow ] strip above the door. Photos of the R-40-4 in the PFE book show vertical wood boards there. Photos of R-30-13-9 and R-30-12-9 rebuilt in 1940 show a metal strip. Tony, do you know when the metal strip replaced [ or was placed over the boards ] occurred. Would R-40-4 cars have received the strips later? My intention was to scribe the boards but [gasp!] I never got around to doing it. Now, with so many members of the Prototype Police wandering around in early January I am worried about a citation...and all that goes with it.
The cars built new or rebuilt as R-40-4 did NOT have the metal strip above the door. But SOME, not all, did get it in later years, as did other older rebuilds. Whether you add it depends on the era you model. For you, Mike, I would say DO add it.

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Re: Delaware and Hudson cement boxcar

Armand Premo
 

Some of these cars became sand cars at engine terminals in later life.They were painted red.A.Premo

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Delaware and Hudson cement boxcar



Have you seen the article on the D&H cars in MM 2/85, pp 30-33? There are photos and drawings of the hoppers and hatches.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "rckwallaby" wrote:
>
> For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
> Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR, CEMENT. 75 units said to have been built.
>
> I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
> There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some of those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files from a hard drive crash recovery.
>
> If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could go look.
>
> Cheers
> Phil Morrow
> Melbourne -AUS.
>
>
> --- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.
> >
> > B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.
> >
> > Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.
> >
> > Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.
> >
> >
> > Jim Mischke
> > B&OHS
> >
>


Riich "Soft Pipes"

Bill Welch
 

I noticed these on the "Sprue Brothers" website. They are available in .4mm, .6mm, .8mm, and 1.00mm. They might have application for us as some type of hose.

Here is a link also to Michigan Toy Soldier: http://www.michtoy.com/item-RII-RCH30006-Soft_Pipes_0.8mm_x_200mm_(5_pieces_per_package).html

Bill Welch


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Richard Hendrickson
 

Guys, the photo at Needles was taken from the sand house (where sand was dried before being used in locomotives), the GS gondola was one of the Santa Fe's many Caswell drop bottom gons, and the workmen are doing the final clearing of sand after the drop bottom doors were opened. GS gondolas were mostly, but not entirely, self-clearing, especially with a fine granular load like sand, owing to the flat surfaces above the center sill and cross members. Locomotive sand for the Los Angeles and Arizona Divisions was shipped in Caswell gons from a beach sand plant at El Segundo. And, yes, the Santa Fe still had a sizable number of 36' wood sheathed box cars in revenue service during World War II, though they rapidly disappeared after the war ended. Most were upgraded (I.e. arch bar trucks replaced with Andrews) and reclassified in the early 1930s. I have a photo of one as far off-line as Pensacola, FL during the war.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Revell Flatcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Bill, I didn't say that. You are not a typical modeler, and I've seen you turn "Tyco Toss" materials
into museum quality models. I agree with Greg Martin that working with older kits can be fun -- I have
many kitbashed Athearn and other old models. As he said, YMMV.

Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@...>

So the ruling is the Revell/Con-Cor flat will not yield an good model of a CB&Q flat car? I remember being quite happy with mine after the modifications I made.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote:

Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'


No more dimensional Foobies? 3D scan - print

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

In the not so distant future:
- Scan surviving 1:1 prototype freight car at 0.02mm accuracy...
- Select scale... and material...
- Hit "Print"

http://gigaom.com/2013/02/04/what-a-model-train-project-can-teach-us-about-the-future-of-3d-scanning-and-printing/


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Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: PFE Reefer question

brianleppert@att.net
 

Take a look in Culotta and Kline's Post War Freight Car Fleet. In it is a photo of a R-40-4 with sheet metal over the door. I asked Dick Harley about it, and IIRC his reply was that the cars originaly built as R-40-4s had exposed wood siding, but that older cars rebuilt to R-40-4 standards had the sheet metal. So just number your car in that number series.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" wrote:

I note that the Tichy model [ the box calls it an R-40-4 ] of a PFE wood reefer has a metal [ I assume metal...no boards anyhow ] strip above the door. Photos of the R-40-4 in the PFE book show vertical wood boards there. Photos of R-30-13-9 and R-30-12-9 rebuilt in 1940 show a metal strip. Tony, do you know when the metal strip replaced [ or was placed over the boards ] occurred. Would R-40-4 cars have received the strips later? My intention was to scribe the boards but [gasp!] I never got around to doing it. Now, with so many members of the Prototype Police wandering around in early January I am worried about a citation...and all that goes with it.

Mike Brock



PFE Reefer question

Mikebrock
 

I note that the Tichy model [ the box calls it an R-40-4 ] of a PFE wood reefer has a metal [ I assume metal...no boards anyhow ] strip above the door. Photos of the R-40-4 in the PFE book show vertical wood boards there. Photos of R-30-13-9 and R-30-12-9 rebuilt in 1940 show a metal strip. Tony, do you know when the metal strip replaced [ or was placed over the boards ] occurred. Would R-40-4 cars have received the strips later? My intention was to scribe the boards but [gasp!] I never got around to doing it. Now, with so many members of the Prototype Police wandering around in early January I am worried about a citation...and all that goes with it.

Mike Brock


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

BRIAN PAUL EHNI <behni@...>
 

One of them appears to be this:
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.p
hp?cPath=67


Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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Date: Monday, February 4, 2013 10:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943






Sure looks like they are unloading sand. If so, it will be taken to a dryer
before it can be loaded into the dome.

Before seeing this I was under the (apparently mistaken) thought that all of
the Santa Fe's older wooden boxcars were gone before the start of WW II. But
at first I see at least two older wooden boxcars... maybe more.

Hmmmm...


Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943



Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a
bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project
together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome
car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and
containing?

Regards

Bruce

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:

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@yahoogroups.com>, "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif.,
according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand
out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any
other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or
refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green

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Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.
Yes, there are trestles that are ground-level track over a DEPRESSED area for dumping. Is that an ELEVATED trestle? BTW, there are lots of photos of men shoveling out gondolas, but this is the only one I can recall where it is a GS gondola.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Revell Flatcar

Bill Welch
 

So the ruling is the Revell/Con-Cor flat will not yield an good model of a CB&Q flat car? I remember being quite happy with mine after the modifications I made.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor wrote:

Steve

I think the standards of "very close" have changed in 26 years. :-)
Sometimes it's painful to go back in old magazine issues and see
what got documented as 'matching' this or that prototype.

Tim O'



There's an article in the November 1987 issue of MODEL RAILROADING magazine
on upgrading the Revell/Con-Con HO model. The article says it's very
close to some CB&Q, CGW, NKP and C&O prototypes with plain stake pockets and
to a ATSF car with three ribs on each stake pocket, and very close to a
welded GN car.
Steve Johnson

Steve or Scott,

Could one of you guys advise the class or number series of the ATSF flat
referred to in the 11/87 issue of Ding, please.

Cheers
Dave North


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Sure looks like they are unloading sand. If so, it will be taken to a dryer before it can be loaded into the dome.

Before seeing this I was under the (apparently mistaken) thought that all of the Santa Fe's older wooden boxcars were gone before the start of WW II. But at first I see at least two older wooden boxcars... maybe more.

Hmmmm...


 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA



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Sent: Monday, February 4, 2013 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943


 
Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and containing?

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:

--- In STMFC@...@yahoogroups.com>, "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green

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Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Good morning Gene and Group,

Just for the record I have seen a similar operation in fact, I have been one of the shovelers.

In this case the sand was shoveled to the open drop bottom hatch -- most were blocked in the closed position -- where it fed into a hopper that dropped the sand onto a belt conveyor that lifted it over a concrete wall into a storage area at a building supply outfit. This in northeast Oklahoma on a hot summer day. A tough -- but honest -- way for a couple of high school kids to earn some "date" money.

Thanks for the memory.

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA


On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:41 AM, "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk
Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green



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Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., cepropst@... wrote:

Gene, the CGW had a similar trestle (shorter) in Rochester Minn just east of the roundhouse for unloading engine coal. They probably had an elevator to load the tenders? Most photos show a snow plow spotted on the trestle.
Clark Propst
And I suppose the snow plow considered itself above it all.
Gene Green


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Clark Propst
 

Gene, the CGW had a similar trestle (shorter) in Rochester Minn just east of the roundhouse for unloading engine coal. They probably had an elevator to load the tenders? Most photos show a snow plow spotted on the trestle.
Clark Propst

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Bruce Smith
 

Gene,

I noted that right away too. Looks like maybe locomotive sand?

Love the steam shovel and the scraper. Further down that string is a bulldozer with an A-frame - perhaps all destined for a construction project together?

Lot of tank cars, but scattered, not all in strings. The insulated 3 dome car in the front string... wine car?

The gons appear to have temporary sides made up of a variety of things and containing?


Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:41 AM, Gene wrote:

--- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...>, "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green


Re: Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Marty" wrote:

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk
Interesting photo. Looks like the gents in foreground are shoveling sand out of a drop-bottom parked on an elevated trestle? (Would there be any other kind of trestle?) Can someone more Santa Fe-knowledgeable confirm or refute?

I ask because I can't ever recall seeing such an operation before.

Gene Green


Delano - AT&SF - 1943

Marty McGuirk
 

Another neat Jack Delano photo taken on the AT&SF in 1943 - Needles, Calif., according to the caption.
Some neat cars are visible, including some interesting gondola loads.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/14504

No landing craft on flatcars though . . .
Marty McGuirk

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