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L&A 32 car

Clark Propst
 

Atlas has done a version of the L&A ARA 1932 car with both L&A and KCS heralds. The KCS version is available, with a reweigh of 56. I model 54. What year would the KCS claim ownership of the L&A by repainting with their emblem?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Tom Vanwormer
 

Dean,
Use your ultrasonic cleaner with a diluted 10 to 1 mixture of SuperClean
(available at Walmart & auto stores.

Tom VanWormer


ken_olson54022 wrote:



I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution
information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a
hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a
lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dean"
<1payne1@...> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber
cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've
been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke
down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But...
it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever
use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What
other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne


Re: Decal ethics question

bspinelli <bspinelli@...>
 

sounds good except i'm either nursing the flu or a bad cold. i'll get back to you.

----- Original Message -----
From: lnnrr
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Decal ethics question



Thank you folks. I can feel a lot more confident knowing you guys
agree.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" wrote:
>
> I have an unbuilt kit that includes decals specific to that model.
> Not only is the kit out of production, the kit maker no longer makes
> HO kits.
> I'd like to make a couple of somewhat duplicate cars from styrene but
> would need to have copies made of these decals. If I have no plans
> to sell copies but only to use them myself, would that be unethical?
> Chuck Peck
>


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

ken_olson54022 <kwolson@...>
 

I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dean" <1payne1@...> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But... it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne


Re: car ID help

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Tony. I received several emails about these two cars.

I looked at the ORER and saw they both were 10'IH and thought of the 12 panel cars. When I didn't find my numbers in those series I drew a blank. Completely forgot about the wood side GN cars and the short AAR 44 cars. I should be able to come up with models of both cars.

Thanks to all!

Clark Propst

I can send you photos and info on the SP class off line, if you like. >
Tony Thompson


Illinois Central GS gondola decals

kevinhlafferty
 

I am trying to find some HO decals for an Illinois Central GS gon. Champ used to have a set HG-102. Would anyone have some that they would care to part with?


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Dean Payne
 

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But... it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I received word this PM from UPS that a parcel from "Model Shapeways"
was heading my way, which means my UTLX underframe has been
"printed." (How strange that is to say?!) Excellent turn around on
the order. Could not help but note that The President mentioned a new
3-D printing facility was coming on-line in Youngstown, OH and the
potential importance of this new technology to our industrial
economy. Looks like it will arrive in time to qualify as a birthday
present to myself.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...



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Re: LV twin hopper question

RICH CHAPIN
 

David & Tim,



Earliest ORER LV page I have is April 1921, which shows Series 25000-26999
with 1989 "Coal, steel, hopper bottom" cars. Designation GA, Listed capacity
1788 cu ft. [this varies between ORER] & 100,000 lbs. This class was not
listed on my 1920 page, where the LV data has a September 1920 date.



Rich Chapin


Re: car ID help

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
I’ve drawn a blank on two box cars I’d like to model if possible.
SP 103374 102100-103597
GN 45114 45000-46999
Would appreciate any help, photos.
I can send you photos and info on the SP class off line, if you like. The number group you mention constitutes the first 1500 cars of a 4500-car class, SP's B-50-28, built by Pullman-Standard in 1950. The car you mention had an Equipco handbrake, diagonal=panel roof, Morton running board, ASF A-3 trucks, and 7-foot Youngstown doors. Ends were 3/4 Improved Dreadnaught with the skinny top rectangular rib, and the cars were just 10 feet inside height. There is a Sunshine kit for this class, or it can be readily kitbashed from a C&BT Shops kit.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Decal ethics question

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mark Rickert wrote:
Just remember, the model manufacture copied someone else work to begin with, did they get permission to copy the item in the fist place? Also, how many people who make there own decals got permission from the owners of the copied artwork before they began?
Creation of new artwork, starting from a prototype photo or railroad lettering drawing, definitely IS a new creation. This is established, and no permission would be needed in most cases. For making your OWN decals, for YOUR own use, permission is not required.
Those are the legal requirements. Ethics, on the other hand, are for you to determine for yourself.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Ford Auto Part Shipments

elwefel
 

Big omission on my part. Opps....I actually worked for the C&O in Detroit and model the PM Railway in Michigan. Old People???

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Daniels <billinsf@...> wrote:

You asked "Did I leave anyone out?"

Yup... Probably the most important... Pere Marquette, which in 1948 was merged into the Chesapeake and Ohio, which owned
Rougemere yard right next to the Rouge Works.

Bill Daniels
Sent from my iPad

On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:05 PM, "Ellison LW" <elwefel@...> wrote:

Folks:

This is way before my time, but I worked for several railroads serving the Detroit area and I was involved in handling shipments of auto parts,finished vehicles and coiled steel from 1969 to 2003. Ford's Rouge Complex was served by Ford's own railroad. In my time I believe it was called the Rouge Railroad.

My understanding was that cars loaded or empty could be handled by any of the line haul rail carriers that could physically connect to the Rouge Railroad, by paying a switching allowance to the Rouge Railroad. Some carriers that didn't have a direct physical connection with the Rouge Railroad, could still handle cars by paying another carrier who had a direct connection and intermediate switch charge in addition to paying the Ford Railroad's switching allowance.

So from a practical standpoint I believe that almost every class 1 railroad that served Detroit could in practical effect originate or terminate shipments to and from the Rouge Railroad. In 1930, I believe that would have included (PRR, MC, NYC, GTW, DT&I, Wabash and maybe even the CN, CP and DTS).

Did I leave anyone out?

Shippers routings are driven by rates, service and equipment. My best guess would be shipments from Dearborn, MI, moving over the Chicago Gateway to the Pacific Northwest, where rates and equipment would be competitive the best service would have been via: MC-Chicago, IL-CB&Q-Minneapolis/St Paul, MN-NP.

Comments.

E Wefel

Retired Rail

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Guy Wilber wrote:







Tony asked:




Guy, do you know the periods of operation of these various plants? I know some were closed before World War II, some much later.

Thus far...here is what I have come up with:

1) Seattle; First facility opened in 1913, closed upon opening of new facility in 1932 which closed in 1940. Closing date not conclusive.
2) Portland; 1914 thru 1939
3) San Francisco; 1913 until opening of Richmond plant in 1931.
4) Richmond; 1931 thru 1956
5) Long Beach; 1930 thru 1958
6) Los Angeles; First facility at 12th and Olive opened in 1911, second facility at E. Seventh and Santa Fe opened in 1914 and closed in 1930.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


















Re: Ford Auto Part Shipments

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

You asked "Did I leave anyone out?"

Yup... Probably the most important... Pere Marquette, which in 1948 was merged into the Chesapeake and Ohio, which owned
Rougemere yard right next to the Rouge Works.

Bill Daniels
On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:05 PM, "Ellison LW" <elwefel@aol.com> wrote:

Folks:

This is way before my time, but I worked for several railroads serving the Detroit area and I was involved in handling shipments of auto parts,finished vehicles and coiled steel from 1969 to 2003. Ford's Rouge Complex was served by Ford's own railroad. In my time I believe it was called the Rouge Railroad.

My understanding was that cars loaded or empty could be handled by any of the line haul rail carriers that could physically connect to the Rouge Railroad, by paying a switching allowance to the Rouge Railroad. Some carriers that didn't have a direct physical connection with the Rouge Railroad, could still handle cars by paying another carrier who had a direct connection and intermediate switch charge in addition to paying the Ford Railroad's switching allowance.

So from a practical standpoint I believe that almost every class 1 railroad that served Detroit could in practical effect originate or terminate shipments to and from the Rouge Railroad. In 1930, I believe that would have included (PRR, MC, NYC, GTW, DT&I, Wabash and maybe even the CN, CP and DTS).

Did I leave anyone out?

Shippers routings are driven by rates, service and equipment. My best guess would be shipments from Dearborn, MI, moving over the Chicago Gateway to the Pacific Northwest, where rates and equipment would be competitive the best service would have been via: MC-Chicago, IL-CB&Q-Minneapolis/St Paul, MN-NP.

Comments.

E Wefel

Retired Rail

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Guy Wilber wrote:







Tony asked:




Guy, do you know the periods of operation of these various plants? I know some were closed before World War II, some much later.

Thus far...here is what I have come up with:

1) Seattle; First facility opened in 1913, closed upon opening of new facility in 1932 which closed in 1940. Closing date not conclusive.
2) Portland; 1914 thru 1939
3) San Francisco; 1913 until opening of Richmond plant in 1931.
4) Richmond; 1931 thru 1956
5) Long Beach; 1930 thru 1958
6) Los Angeles; First facility at 12th and Olive opened in 1911, second facility at E. Seventh and Santa Fe opened in 1914 and closed in 1930.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada














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Ford Auto Part Shipments

elwefel
 

Folks:

This is way before my time, but I worked for several railroads serving the Detroit area and I was involved in handling shipments of auto parts,finished vehicles and coiled steel from 1969 to 2003. Ford's Rouge Complex was served by Ford's own railroad. In my time I believe it was called the Rouge Railroad.

My understanding was that cars loaded or empty could be handled by any of the line haul rail carriers that could physically connect to the Rouge Railroad, by paying a switching allowance to the Rouge Railroad. Some carriers that didn't have a direct physical connection with the Rouge Railroad, could still handle cars by paying another carrier who had a direct connection and intermediate switch charge in addition to paying the Ford Railroad's switching allowance.

So from a practical standpoint I believe that almost every class 1 railroad that served Detroit could in practical effect originate or terminate shipments to and from the Rouge Railroad. In 1930, I believe that would have included (PRR, MC, NYC, GTW, DT&I, Wabash and maybe even the CN, CP and DTS).

Did I leave anyone out?

Shippers routings are driven by rates, service and equipment. My best guess would be shipments from Dearborn, MI, moving over the Chicago Gateway to the Pacific Northwest, where rates and equipment would be competitive the best service would have been via: MC-Chicago, IL-CB&Q-Minneapolis/St Paul, MN-NP.

Comments.

E Wefel

Retired Rail

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Guy Wilber <guycwilber@...> wrote:







Tony asked:




Guy, do you know the periods of operation of these various plants? I know some were closed before World War II, some much later.

Thus far...here is what I have come up with:

1) Seattle; First facility opened in 1913, closed upon opening of new facility in 1932 which closed in 1940. Closing date not conclusive.
2) Portland; 1914 thru 1939
3) San Francisco; 1913 until opening of Richmond plant in 1931.
4) Richmond; 1931 thru 1956
5) Long Beach; 1930 thru 1958
6) Los Angeles; First facility at 12th and Olive opened in 1911, second facility at E. Seventh and Santa Fe opened in 1914 and closed in 1930.


Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada














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car ID help

Clark Propst
 

I’ve drawn a blank on two box cars I’d like to model if possible.
SP 103374 102100-103597
GN 45114 45000-46999

Would appreciate any help, photos.
Thanks!!
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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Re: Decal ethics question

caboose9792@...
 

Just remember, the model manufacture copied someone else work to begin
with, did they get permission to copy the item in the fist place? Also, how
many people who make there own decals got permission from the owners of the
copied artwork before they began?

Mark Rickert
(who keeps trying to stay out of these legal and ethical debates and
failing tearably)

In a message dated 2/17/2013 1:38:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
lnnrr@yahoo.com writes:

I'd like to make a couple of somewhat duplicate cars from styrene but
would need to have copies made of these decals. If I have no plans
to sell copies but only to use them myself, would that be unethical?
Chuck Peck


Re: Routes via Chicago

Allen Rueter
 

On 2nd thought, wouldnt they need to update the waybill to reflect the route used, so the brc/ihb/eje would get there cut.

Allen
via Yahoo! Mail on Android


Some vintage PM Autocars in this video.

Brian Carlson
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyZHnXK9rKQ
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyZHnXK9rKQ&feature=share> &feature=share

Vintage auto and Pere Marquette autoparts boxcars in this clip.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY


Re: Sylvan's Hutchins Roof

Richard Townsend
 

I have one that I bought years ago, but I have not used it. It is in two pieces measuring 0.67 x 5.67 inches.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: brian <brianleppert@att.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:41 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Sylvan's Hutchins Roof





Has anyone here had experience with Sylvan Scale Models's HO scale Hutchins roof? Any comments? And I need to know how wide and long their roof is. TIA

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV









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Sylvan's Hutchins Roof

brianleppert@att.net
 

Has anyone here had experience with Sylvan Scale Models's HO scale Hutchins roof? Any comments? And I need to know how wide and long their roof is. TIA

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV


Re: Decal ethics question

Tom Madden
 

rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...> wrote:

[snip]

I myself am about to take an old resin kit that's been out of production for a while and use many of the components as masters to mold my own parts. As long as I don't sell them, it's all good.
The problem with that is you're introducing another generation of shrinkage, both when you make the mold(s) and when you make castings from those molds. For smallish parts that's not an issue, but for car sides and roofs it might be. Hobby rubbers and resins tend to have greater shrinkage than industrial materials. Also, if you're duplicating flat cast parts, be sure to file or sand the backs of the parts - removing only the flash around the edges still leaves the part itself thicker than the master.

Just some things to keep in mind.....

Tom Madden

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