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Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Bruce Smith
 

Dean,

Relax, don't worry, have a homebrew (oops wrong hobby!). The issue, as noted last week when we ordered these, is the wax that is used as a support. Wax... ok... what cleans wax? Detergent and hot water might. If mine were here I'd probably start with concentrated DAWN in hot water. In fact, I just Googled "shapeways cleaning" and found a comment that someone used 50/50 Simple Green and DAWN succesfully. If that didn't work I'd move on to degreasers (wax being a hydrocarbon). That Superclean stuff recommended for the U/S cleaner is sold at WallyWorld in a foaming formula and you can use the rest to clean your car, stove, grill etc... Now, it might eat up the casting so tread carefully, but it is one idea. Friends have ultrasonic cleaners (I found one at work!)... lots of cheap solutions. Experiment and report back (or I will as soon as mine arrives)!

Regards

Bruce


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On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Dean wrote:

I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner... and I suspect getting one would cost more than a can of Bestine!
I had no idea it was going to be such an issue to get these cleaned. If so, I wonder why they don't clean them at the source? The hassle and cost of using these frames is going up... I wonder if I shouldn't have just carried through with my idea of scratchbuilding them (but the saddles would be complicated to do correctly, and have them sturdy enough for use).

Dean Payne


Re: Ford Auto Part Shipments

Rick Jesionowski
 

In the sixties and seventies, the routing to CA for Ford Auto Parts was the DT&I to Delta, OH, WAB from Delta to Kansas City, Then it varied with the UP, Rock Island, and MP connecting with the D&RGW and WP to Milpitas, CA or UP direct to LA. Also dropped a lot of cars at the Kansas City Ford Plant. These were called the Fast Ford Trains. The C&NW, MILW and SP contributed cars to these pools also.

Also, the Twin Cities Ford Truck plant was served by the DT&I, AA, Car Ferry to the GB&W, BN at Winona. The Ann Arbor car ferries were modified to take the 86' Hi-Cubes, but a lot of other parts were sent in 60' and 50' Boxcars.

Rick Jesionowski


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Don Burn
 

It appears Bestine is heptanes, see if there is a supplier of that locally,
such as hardware or home improvement store.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

I don't own a media blaster, only an air brush. I expect the media blaster
would be more expensive than a big can of Bestine...
I've found a store (Dick Blick) that probably carried 4 oz cans of Bestine,
but it's 2 1/2 hours away... Or I can pay shipping, $4 for the can, $10
shipping... that's almost what I could get the big can for!

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

What about media blasting it with Baking Soda?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tom Vanwormer <robsmom@> wrote:

Dean,
Use your ultrasonic cleaner with a diluted 10 to 1 mixture of
SuperClean (available at Walmart & auto stores.

Tom VanWormer


ken_olson54022 wrote:



I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the
caution information on the label to find out what's in there then
go to a hardware or paint store and get something that will do the
job for a lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dean"
<1payne1@> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine
rubber
cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've
been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally
broke down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine.
But...
it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll
ever use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17.
What other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to
gluing/painting?

Dean Payne








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Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Dean Payne
 

I don't own a media blaster, only an air brush. I expect the media blaster would be more expensive than a big can of Bestine...
I've found a store (Dick Blick) that probably carried 4 oz cans of Bestine, but it's 2 1/2 hours away... Or I can pay shipping, $4 for the can, $10 shipping... that's almost what I could get the big can for!

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

What about media blasting it with Baking Soda?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tom Vanwormer <robsmom@> wrote:

Dean,
Use your ultrasonic cleaner with a diluted 10 to 1 mixture of SuperClean
(available at Walmart & auto stores.

Tom VanWormer


ken_olson54022 wrote:



I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution
information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a
hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a
lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dean"
<1payne1@> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber
cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've
been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke
down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But...
it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever
use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What
other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne






Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Dean Payne
 

I don't have an ultrasonic cleaner... and I suspect getting one would cost more than a can of Bestine!
I had no idea it was going to be such an issue to get these cleaned. If so, I wonder why they don't clean them at the source? The hassle and cost of using these frames is going up... I wonder if I shouldn't have just carried through with my idea of scratchbuilding them (but the saddles would be complicated to do correctly, and have them sturdy enough for use).

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tom Vanwormer <robsmom@...> wrote:

Dean,
Use your ultrasonic cleaner with a diluted 10 to 1 mixture of SuperClean
(available at Walmart & auto stores.

Tom VanWormer


ken_olson54022 wrote:



I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution
information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a
hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a
lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dean"
<1payne1@> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber
cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've
been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke
down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But...
it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever
use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What
other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne






Re: Illinois Central GS gondola decals

Scott Pitzer
 

a note which might be helpful, once you find an HG-102:
When I used it, I didn't care for its IC reporting marks on the side, and I replaced them from Champ's 3/32 alphabet; same for the car number on the side-- Champ 5/64 for that.
I was working from an early 1960s photo, and I can't say whether it was exactly the same as earlier paint jobs.
Scott Pitzer

On Feb 18, 2013, at 6:04 AM, "kevinhlafferty" <khlafferty@comcast.net> wrote:

I am trying to find some HO decals for an Illinois Central GS gon. Champ used to have a set HG-102. Would anyone have some that they would care to part with?


AB Brake system on Type 27 tank cars

Bill Welch
 

I am about finished redetailing and upgrading an InterMountian Type 27 u/f. I am using a Grandt Line Cylinder and AB Valve. I am doing the setup with the valve sitting over the Reservoir. In looking at an AC&F builder's Photo using this set up it appears the Valve was not merely turned over and mounted, but if I can believe what I see, the valve used for this setup was a mirror image of the one mounted under a car. Obvious I am not going to be able to model this look but I am going to have to meditate on how to fit the Dirt Collector, and still have the piping more or less connect where it should. In the more typical mounting, the Dirt Collector orientation does not block the mounting holes for the pipe connections.

Another hard day in the Car Shop.

Bill Welch


Re: LV box car -- what kinda roof?

Layout Tour
 

Tim,



The LV's first steel sided 40'6" auto cars were built between 1926 and 1929
by AC&F. These 5000-5999 series were built with Viking, Hutchins, or Murphy
roofs, most had inverse corrugated ends, 10 to12'9" foot door openings, and
10' or 10'6" inside heights. By 1940 and later many were modified to 6'
door box cars or other modifications including end doors, shelves and auto
loaders and renumbered into the 4XXX, 6XXX,70XX and 80XX series. 8046-8056
were listed in service in 1971.



I think many of you may want to bookmark this website:
http://www.northernfield.info/index.php

There is nearly a complete listing of ORER's for all the anthracite
railroads from the 1880's until Conrail.



Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Bill Welch
 

What about media blasting it with Baking Soda?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tom Vanwormer <robsmom@...> wrote:

Dean,
Use your ultrasonic cleaner with a diluted 10 to 1 mixture of SuperClean
(available at Walmart & auto stores.

Tom VanWormer


ken_olson54022 wrote:



I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution
information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a
hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a
lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dean"
<1payne1@> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber
cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've
been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke
down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But...
it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever
use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What
other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne




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Re: LV twin hopper question

Layout Tour
 

As David mentioned, this was one of the fishbelly cars. 25000-25499 were
built by Bethlehem Steel in 1939 and 25500-25939 in 1941. They both had an
inside length of 30'11 7/8", with the later having sides 3" higher.



They were modified at the LV's Packerton Shops in the late 50's and early
60's with the fishbelly part of the side removed. 25 of the 32 LV hopper
cars still in service on 4/75 were from the 25500-25939 series.



Chuck Davis

Norfolk, VA


Re: L&A 32 car

Barrybennetttoo@...
 

Clark,

According to Ted Culotta in his book on the 1932 cars the KCS absorbed the
L&A in 1939 at which point the old logo became replaced with the KCS logo.
I would guess a number of cars would have the old logo but any re-paints
prior to 1954 will have received the KCS logo. I model 1958 so my L&A cars
will have to be very rusty and dirty to retain the original logo, but I will
stretch the credulity anyway.

Barry Bennett

In a message dated 18/02/2013 14:53:37 GMT Standard Time, cepropst@q.com
writes:




Atlas has done a version of the L&A ARA 1932 car with both L&A and KCS
heralds. The KCS version is available, with a reweigh of 56. I model 54. What
year would the KCS claim ownership of the L&A by repainting with their
emblem?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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L&A 32 car

Clark Propst
 

Atlas has done a version of the L&A ARA 1932 car with both L&A and KCS heralds. The KCS version is available, with a reweigh of 56. I model 54. What year would the KCS claim ownership of the L&A by repainting with their emblem?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Tom Vanwormer
 

Dean,
Use your ultrasonic cleaner with a diluted 10 to 1 mixture of SuperClean
(available at Walmart & auto stores.

Tom VanWormer


ken_olson54022 wrote:



I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution
information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a
hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a
lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dean"
<1payne1@...> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber
cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've
been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke
down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But...
it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever
use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What
other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne


Re: Decal ethics question

bspinelli <bspinelli@...>
 

sounds good except i'm either nursing the flu or a bad cold. i'll get back to you.

----- Original Message -----
From: lnnrr
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 4:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Decal ethics question



Thank you folks. I can feel a lot more confident knowing you guys
agree.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "lnnrr" wrote:
>
> I have an unbuilt kit that includes decals specific to that model.
> Not only is the kit out of production, the kit maker no longer makes
> HO kits.
> I'd like to make a couple of somewhat duplicate cars from styrene but
> would need to have copies made of these decals. If I have no plans
> to sell copies but only to use them myself, would that be unethical?
> Chuck Peck
>


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

ken_olson54022 <kwolson@...>
 

I would suspect that you could go back to Micheal's, read the caution information on the label to find out what's in there then go to a hardware or paint store and get something that will do the job for a lot less money.
Example: Fingernail polish remover = acetone.

Ken Olson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dean" <1payne1@...> wrote:

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But... it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne


Re: car ID help

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Tony. I received several emails about these two cars.

I looked at the ORER and saw they both were 10'IH and thought of the 12 panel cars. When I didn't find my numbers in those series I drew a blank. Completely forgot about the wood side GN cars and the short AAR 44 cars. I should be able to come up with models of both cars.

Thanks to all!

Clark Propst

I can send you photos and info on the SP class off line, if you like. >
Tony Thompson


Illinois Central GS gondola decals

kevinhlafferty
 

I am trying to find some HO decals for an Illinois Central GS gon. Champ used to have a set HG-102. Would anyone have some that they would care to part with?


Re: News from Model Shapeways & UPS

Dean Payne
 

I have two of the underframes, and I've heard that Bestine rubber cement thinner is the best way to clean the waxy residue off. I've been trying to think of other ways to clean them... and finally broke down and went to Michael's yesterday to pick up some Bestine. But... it was $17 a pint! I'm thinking this may be my only chance I'll ever use Bestine... But I was willing to spend maybe $5, not $17. What other methods work for cleaning Shapeways parts prior to gluing/painting?

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I received word this PM from UPS that a parcel from "Model Shapeways"
was heading my way, which means my UTLX underframe has been
"printed." (How strange that is to say?!) Excellent turn around on
the order. Could not help but note that The President mentioned a new
3-D printing facility was coming on-line in Youngstown, OH and the
potential importance of this new technology to our industrial
economy. Looks like it will arrive in time to qualify as a birthday
present to myself.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@...



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Re: LV twin hopper question

RICH CHAPIN
 

David & Tim,



Earliest ORER LV page I have is April 1921, which shows Series 25000-26999
with 1989 "Coal, steel, hopper bottom" cars. Designation GA, Listed capacity
1788 cu ft. [this varies between ORER] & 100,000 lbs. This class was not
listed on my 1920 page, where the LV data has a September 1920 date.



Rich Chapin


Re: car ID help

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Clark Propst wrote:
I’ve drawn a blank on two box cars I’d like to model if possible.
SP 103374 102100-103597
GN 45114 45000-46999
Would appreciate any help, photos.
I can send you photos and info on the SP class off line, if you like. The number group you mention constitutes the first 1500 cars of a 4500-car class, SP's B-50-28, built by Pullman-Standard in 1950. The car you mention had an Equipco handbrake, diagonal=panel roof, Morton running board, ASF A-3 trucks, and 7-foot Youngstown doors. Ends were 3/4 Improved Dreadnaught with the skinny top rectangular rib, and the cars were just 10 feet inside height. There is a Sunshine kit for this class, or it can be readily kitbashed from a C&BT Shops kit.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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