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Re: Roofless cars

water.kresse@...
 

They used roofless box cars with 1/8" steel plate on floors for hauling coke on C&O.  Al Kresse

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Nashville, TN

James SANDIFER
 

I am planning a trip to Nashville in April. What of steam freight car significance is there to be seen there? Any model RR shows, clubs, exceptional shops, etc. in the area?
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Re: Roofless cars

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

In part:

I have received a copy of a Joe Hardy photo taken in July 1948 on the CB&Q
at Crawford Hill, Nebraska (which is between Alliance and Edgemont, in the
north-west corner of the state) The photo was apparently taken from an
overbridge and looks down on the length of the train from an acute angle.

Included in the consist are three cars that appear to be steel sided,
without roofs but with running boards, and they appear to have side doors
which are not full height.

I wonder which was more intimidating for a brakman, walking the roof of a normal boxcar with a roofwalk or walking a roofwalk on a car with no roof!!!??? The latter sounds a bit un-nerving in any inclement weather.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Re: 1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

George Courtney
 

In a case of premature posting, I forgot to mention that the S scale PRS car I have is a double door 40' car. I dug up a earlier post about Red Caboose OSL possible 40' cars, Tim O'Conner iirc. I went to the current Red Caboose site and saw their 40' Double Door UP offering. However I then realized that the earlier post may have referred to a single door not double door car.
I've got a Jerry Glow UP decal set now that I could use the "Serves All the West" for the OSL reporting marks. Come to think of it that slogan would give me OWR&N as well as LA&SL if I could fina s ampersand in the right color also using a extra UNION for O & N.
Is the 47 hundred series correct for a double door OSL reporting marks for 1953 to 1958?

Thanks,
George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

from the AAR'37 PDF on the STEFC site:
OSL (UP) B-50-27 UP-Albina 500 189400 189899 1940 Note 6 Wood W Welded underframe-Mt. Vernon; ACR*

Archer makes ACR pattern rivets (I've used their HO version) http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/UP_10'_ACR.html

I have a set and although I have done quite a few sets in S-scale although not that one specifically.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@> wrote:

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney

Re: Roofless cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Rupert,

They might be coke cars. The Monon had open top cars that transported coke from a power plant in Indianapolis to small foundries around the Midwest. They resembled stock cars without doors or roofs. This is an O scale model by Bob Schultz:

http://www.monon.org/pastcons/2001con-model3.jpg

These cars were built from low-sided gons.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

I have received a copy of a Joe Hardy photo taken in July 1948 on the CB&Q
at Crawford Hill, Nebraska (which is between Alliance and Edgemont, in the
north-west corner of the state) The photo was apparently taken from an
overbridge and looks down on the length of the train from an acute angle.

Included in the consist are three cars that appear to be steel sided,
without roofs but with running boards, and they appear to have side doors
which are not full height.



I am aware of old cars having the roof removed and used for hides, etc. but
1948 seems a bit early to be using steel cars for that purpose. Any
suggestions?



Rupert Gamlen

Auckland NZ





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Re: 1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

jerryglow2
 

from the AAR'37 PDF on the STEFC site:
OSL (UP) B-50-27 UP-Albina 500 189400 189899 1940 Note 6 Wood W Welded underframe-Mt. Vernon; ACR*

Archer makes ACR pattern rivets (I've used their HO version) http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/UP_10'_ACR.html

I have a set and although I have done quite a few sets in S-scale although not that one specifically.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney

Roofless cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

I have received a copy of a Joe Hardy photo taken in July 1948 on the CB&Q
at Crawford Hill, Nebraska (which is between Alliance and Edgemont, in the
north-west corner of the state) The photo was apparently taken from an
overbridge and looks down on the length of the train from an acute angle.

Included in the consist are three cars that appear to be steel sided,
without roofs but with running boards, and they appear to have side doors
which are not full height.



I am aware of old cars having the roof removed and used for hides, etc. but
1948 seems a bit early to be using steel cars for that purpose. Any
suggestions?



Rupert Gamlen

Auckland NZ

Re: 1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

StephenK
 

Jerry Glow makes some UP boxcar sets. His site says he can print in other scales. Maybe he can help.

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney

Re: W&LE 24000 series boxcar

Bob Weston
 

Tim,
I'm building a kit bought from Stan Radarowicz. This kit uses an Intermountain 1937 AAR 40' boxcar as a core and has cast resin flat roof with the 4/5 proprietary ends. I don't think Stan is on line but can be contacted by writing to him at 165 Manchester Ave., Youngstown, OH 44509-23749. An ad for this car and one with the roof only appeared in the last issue of the NKPTHS Interchange Point flyer.
Bob Weston

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is this a resin kit? Where can you get a Pullman flat panel roof and
the carbuilder ends for the Red Caboose/IMWX car body?

Tim O'Connor



On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:42 AM, oandle wrote:

I'm building a W&LE series 24000 boxcar and I need to know what color
the Wheeling painted their boxcars. Any ideas? Thanks!
Bob Weston
Bob,
WLE cars in series 24000-24199, built early 1941 by ACF (lot no. 2137)
had their sides and wood running boards painted Pittsburgh Brown. Ends,
roofs, trucks and brake parts were black. White stencils. The cars came
with 4-5 corrugated ends (not Dreadnaught), Pullman flat riveted roofs,
Youngstown doors, Equipco hand brakes, and National Type B trucks.
Roofs on ACF-built cars supplied by Pullman were unusual.

These cars were nearly identical to 24200-24501 built early 1941 by
Pullman-Standard (lot 5649). Paint specs were the same as above. This
series came with Pullman 4-5 Corrugated ends, Pullman flat riveted
roofs, Equipco hand brakes, wood running boards, and Apex brake steps.
Series 24200-24299 came with double truss spring-plankless trucks and
24300-24501 National Type B trucks. In Feb. 1944, 10 random cars
received A-3 Ride Control trucks.

According to the diagram for these cars, the span of production for all
502 cars was from January to March 1941. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: 1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

George Courtney
 

After posting I found the car number I needed a couple pages deep in the older messages.

Thanks,
George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney

Re: NYC 1932 ARA car---need decal help!

Bruce Smith
 

You could try Ted Culotta's book on the 1932 AAR cars ;^) Page 44 has a nice side on shot of #100000

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: [STMFC] NYC 1932 ARA car---need decal help!

Fellas,

I have a Pac Ltd 1932 ARA car, I cannot locate an image to have decals made. Any ideas?

Thank you,
Brad Andonian



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1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

George Courtney
 

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney

NYC 1932 ARA car---need decal help!

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I have a Pac Ltd 1932 ARA car, I cannot locate an image to have decals made. Any ideas?

Thank you,
Brad Andonian

Re: B&O M53

rwitt_2000
 

Brian Carlson wrote:

I don't have enough photos handy or the RPC that covered the B&O M53.
Did all the cars get rebuilt in the mid 1950s, Did all they all get
corrugated doors? Thanks
Brian,

You maybe mixing up the B&O wagon-top box cars. There were two main
variations: the ones built using old M-15 DS box car fishbelly
underframes (M-15K, M-15L, M-15M) and those built new on Duryea
underrames (M-53, M-53a). Both variations received Youngstown doors
beginning after WWII. That was really the only improvements for the
M-53s and not considered a re-building.

However, the M-15 wagon-tops did receive a second re-building in the
mid-1950s when they received new AAR underframes replacing there former
fishbelly ones some dating to 1916. Some also received 8-ft doors.

You no doubt know the M-53 is available in styrene from two
manufacturers: Fox Valley and Exactrail and in resin from Sunshine and
F&C. The M-15 wagon-top rebuilds with fishbelly underframes are
available in resin from Sunshine and F&C. No manufacturer has offered
the M-15 version after receiving their new AAR underframes in 1955.

Various wagon-tops were offered in brass.

Bob Witt

Re: W&LE 24000 series boxcar

David
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
Is this a resin kit? Where can you get a Pullman flat panel roof and
the carbuilder ends for the Red Caboose/IMWX car body?
http://www.wrighttrak.com/page3.php?view=productPage&product=41&category=1#

The page calls it a PS-0 for some reason, but it's really a typical 1937 AAR box with Pullman parts.

David Thompson

Re: W&LE 24000 series boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Is this a resin kit? Where can you get a Pullman flat panel roof and
the carbuilder ends for the Red Caboose/IMWX car body?

Tim O'Connor

On Mar 13, 2013, at 3:42 AM, oandle wrote:

I'm building a W&LE series 24000 boxcar and I need to know what color
the Wheeling painted their boxcars. Any ideas? Thanks!
Bob Weston
Bob,
WLE cars in series 24000-24199, built early 1941 by ACF (lot no. 2137)
had their sides and wood running boards painted Pittsburgh Brown. Ends,
roofs, trucks and brake parts were black. White stencils. The cars came
with 4-5 corrugated ends (not Dreadnaught), Pullman flat riveted roofs,
Youngstown doors, Equipco hand brakes, and National Type B trucks.
Roofs on ACF-built cars supplied by Pullman were unusual.

These cars were nearly identical to 24200-24501 built early 1941 by
Pullman-Standard (lot 5649). Paint specs were the same as above. This
series came with Pullman 4-5 Corrugated ends, Pullman flat riveted
roofs, Equipco hand brakes, wood running boards, and Apex brake steps.
Series 24200-24299 came with double truss spring-plankless trucks and
24300-24501 National Type B trucks. In Feb. 1944, 10 random cars
received A-3 Ride Control trucks.

According to the diagram for these cars, the span of production for all
502 cars was from January to March 1941. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Archer rivets and microblasting

Andy Sperandeo
 

I'll second Tim O'Connor's advice as I do the same thing, brush (Pledge With) Future over Archer rivets after they're set. This does offer protection against a reasonable amount of handling before finish painting. – Andy

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Re: Santa Fe Double-step Stirrups

 

Andrew – Originally the 1400 series kits required the modeler to form the lower step from flat brass to add to a Grandt Line step. Later kits had 8 double steps as an integral part of the general mold. This pattern was made by Byron Rose for the raised roof Bx-12, kit 4751. The steps were then incorporated into the 1400 and 4000 series kits. This would have been sometime in the early-to-mid 1990s. As I recall, there was a switch-over period where, in order to use the old general molds up, a separate mold for the steps was made. The contents of this mold was then added to the kit. It’s entirely possible that we forgot to add the steps for a small number of kits. If Mr. Dial ordered more than a few during this period he might have received some with this problem. – Al Westerfield

From: Andrew Dahm
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:50 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Santa Fe Double-step Stirrups


Hello Mr. Dial: I wonder if Al changed the pattern since the early 90's for those cars. The current pattern has the steps, but they are along the edge as if they were
added later.
Please let me know how those Des Plaines steps work as I might look at using them sometime.
Andrew
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To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Santa Fe Double-step Stirrups




Andrew,
Just checked them all:1400 & 1401s, no steps at all. The sheets do/did say there are supposed to be 4 ea #1187 steps, but that didn't happen, and the instruction sheet has a template to fabricate a bottom rung from brass. Maybe it is a age of manufacture thing? While new resin, these are all kits I bought in the 1990's (Crossville, TN boxes).
Anyway, I love my Westerfield kits, and even though I have 222 more to build, I keep buying more (WP stock cars this time around)
RJ

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Andrew Dahm <dahminator68@...> wrote:

Hello Mr. Dial: I checked and the molds for the AT&SF Bx.Z/W/X/Y do include 8 double step stirrups.
These are included in all Westerfield #1400/4000 series kits.

I could not say why your kits did not have the steps included.

Andrew Dahm
westerfieldmodels@...

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B&O M53

Brian Carlson
 

I don't have enough photos handy or the RPC that covered the B&O M53. Did all the cars get rebuilt in the mid 1950s, Did all they all get corrugated doors? Thanks
Brian carlson