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Milwaukee Road stock car CMSTP&P. 104637

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

At Naperville in October of 2010 someone displayed a Milwaukee Road stock car lettered "C.M.STP.&P. 104637." I suspect this car was built in O Scale. I would like to contact the builder or owner of this stock car. Please email me at bierglaeser at yahoo dot com.
Gene Green


Re: Rail Movements of Perishables into Boston

RICH CHAPIN
 

Bill,



The NHRRT&HS "Shoreliner", vol 18, #2 has an article on NH carfloat
operations that addresses, I believe, floating of reefers to ships for
off-loading of bananas. Might be something in that of interest.







Rich Chapin


Re: Nashville, TN

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

Nashville railroad sites include the Tennessee Central Railway Museum:
http://www.tcry.org/



The old train station is still standing downtown but has been renovated for
other use.



Allen Cain


Re: Rail Movements of Perishables into Boston

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@...> wrote:

Yes Bill, the New Haven went to Boston. In its final corporate configuration it had acquired every rail line south of the city. It had massive freight yards in South Boston which is only a mile or two away from the Produce mkt area you mention. Bob's Photo has some nice shots of reefers being unloaded in South Boston. There was also the Union Freight Railroad which ran along the waterfront connecting the NH and the B&M. Most photos of seen of perishable product on that line was for direct delivery to customers on line. The B&M and Boston & Albany also had facilities near the city center.


Roger Hinman
On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I have accumulated a nice file of photos of the Produce Mkt. area in Boston, the Faneuil Hall/Quincy Street/Clinton Street area.

I am curious if someone on this list can tell me how deliveries by rail of Perishables would have made it to this area? I am assuming wagons and then trucks. What was the distance? In the aerials I see no obvious railroad connection nearby. My assumption is the NYNH&H would have handled the FGE/WFE/BRE traffic. Did this railroad go in to Boston?

Bill Welch


The B&M never seemed to handle much produce or fruit coming into Boston via rail from the American south or west for reasons which should seem obvious. It did, however, carry a fair amount of meat traffic from the mid-west coming via Canadian Differential Routes.
Not to be overlooked here is the large volume of produce carried by NYC subsidiary Boston & Albany due in large part by the fact that the NYC could control the traffic all the way from Chicago, St. Louis and other such important gateways that the New England roads did not have direct access to. And when the New Boston Market Place, as it was titled, was constructed in the late 1960's it was built on land that I believe had previously been owned by the New Haven not far from South Station bordered by the Southeast Distressway and the loop used by the New Haven for turning entire trains. In those years I could see the produce terminal from my office window and the firm for which I then worked was heavily involved in insurance of it.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Never sweat the decal job......

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@...> wrote:

.......because sometimes, there's a prototype for everything.

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/lac-bac/wm.php?img=http://data2.archives.ca/e/e435/e010859856-v8.jpg


Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL
This looks like the sort of photo taken for the claims agent in a personal injury case. It looks like the photographer has gone over the end lettering with chalk so it would be legible in the photo.

Jack Mullen


Re: Rail Movements of Perishables into Boston

ROGER HINMAN
 

I think in his refrigerator car books but he'd better answer that than me

Roger H.

On Mar 15, 2013, at 6:01 PM, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

Thank you Roger

I will call Bob. Do you remember how he would have these photos filed?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@...> wrote:

Yes Bill, the New Haven went to Boston. In its final corporate configuration it had acquired every rail line south of the city. It had massive freight yards in South Boston which is only a mile or two away from the Produce mkt area you mention. Bob's Photo has some nice shots of reefers being unloaded in South Boston. There was also the Union Freight Railroad which ran along the waterfront connecting the NH and the B&M. Most photos of seen of perishable product on that line was for direct delivery to customers on line. The B&M and Boston & Albany also had facilities near the city center.


Roger Hinman
On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I have accumulated a nice file of photos of the Produce Mkt. area in Boston, the Faneuil Hall/Quincy Street/Clinton Street area.

I am curious if someone on this list can tell me how deliveries by rail of Perishables would have made it to this area? I am assuming wagons and then trucks. What was the distance? In the aerials I see no obvious railroad connection nearby. My assumption is the NYNH&H would have handled the FGE/WFE/BRE traffic. Did this railroad go in to Boston?

Bill Welch





Re: Rail Movements of Perishables into Boston

Bill Welch
 

Thank you Roger

I will call Bob. Do you remember how he would have these photos filed?

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., ROGER HINMAN <rhinman11@...> wrote:

Yes Bill, the New Haven went to Boston. In its final corporate configuration it had acquired every rail line south of the city. It had massive freight yards in South Boston which is only a mile or two away from the Produce mkt area you mention. Bob's Photo has some nice shots of reefers being unloaded in South Boston. There was also the Union Freight Railroad which ran along the waterfront connecting the NH and the B&M. Most photos of seen of perishable product on that line was for direct delivery to customers on line. The B&M and Boston & Albany also had facilities near the city center.


Roger Hinman
On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I have accumulated a nice file of photos of the Produce Mkt. area in Boston, the Faneuil Hall/Quincy Street/Clinton Street area.

I am curious if someone on this list can tell me how deliveries by rail of Perishables would have made it to this area? I am assuming wagons and then trucks. What was the distance? In the aerials I see no obvious railroad connection nearby. My assumption is the NYNH&H would have handled the FGE/WFE/BRE traffic. Did this railroad go in to Boston?

Bill Welch



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Re: Rail Movements of Perishables into Boston

ROGER HINMAN
 

Yes Bill, the New Haven went to Boston. In its final corporate configuration it had acquired every rail line south of the city. It had massive freight yards in South Boston which is only a mile or two away from the Produce mkt area you mention. Bob's Photo has some nice shots of reefers being unloaded in South Boston. There was also the Union Freight Railroad which ran along the waterfront connecting the NH and the B&M. Most photos of seen of perishable product on that line was for direct delivery to customers on line. The B&M and Boston & Albany also had facilities near the city center.


Roger Hinman
On Mar 15, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

I have accumulated a nice file of photos of the Produce Mkt. area in Boston, the Faneuil Hall/Quincy Street/Clinton Street area.

I am curious if someone on this list can tell me how deliveries by rail of Perishables would have made it to this area? I am assuming wagons and then trucks. What was the distance? In the aerials I see no obvious railroad connection nearby. My assumption is the NYNH&H would have handled the FGE/WFE/BRE traffic. Did this railroad go in to Boston?

Bill Welch



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Rail Movements of Perishables into Boston

Bill Welch
 

I have accumulated a nice file of photos of the Produce Mkt. area in Boston, the Faneuil Hall/Quincy Street/Clinton Street area.

I am curious if someone on this list can tell me how deliveries by rail of Perishables would have made it to this area? I am assuming wagons and then trucks. What was the distance? In the aerials I see no obvious railroad connection nearby. My assumption is the NYNH&H would have handled the FGE/WFE/BRE traffic. Did this railroad go in to Boston?

Bill Welch


UTL class X Underframe from Model Shapeways

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I have uploaded a couple of photos to a new album on the Model Shapeways UTL
underframe to show how I resolved the issue of mounting a coupler. I found
a pair of MKD #4's in my coupler collection. There is a dimple in the shank
that I used to drill a #50 clearance hole. Then I nipped off the remainder
of the shank and shaped around the hole with a file. Then I drilled a #55
hole through the plate cast (printed?) between the sills that supports the
coupler and up through the top web. This hole was tapped 00-80 and uses the
little screws that come with the Accumate couplers. That seems to work
pretty well, but I might try to fashion a small spacer to put under the
screw head to prevent the other end from sticking up through the underframe.



It is my experience that this material is not as flexible as the resin we
are used to seeing with Sunshine and Westerfield kits. I did break one side
of the sill at the coupler pocket when pressing too hard with the drill.
Although ACC seems to hold the parts back together, it is not a fast grab
that I am used with our kit resin.



Pending moderator approval, I also uploaded a photo of a 1906 tank car (from
the 1906 CBD) that shows the five course tank, like the MDC one. I
purchased some decals from Silver Crash Car Works that should work for the
car, as built. Meaning painted red prior to about 1912. Trucks may be an
issue. I have not found any arch bar trucks with the horizontal top bar.
The model, so far, has MDC arch bar trucks.



Regards,

Steve Hile


Re: Roofless cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Al

The cars in the photo appear to be steel.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Roofless cars

They used roofless box cars with 1/8" steel plate on floors for hauling coke
on C&O.  Al Kresse


Re: Decal Tray was Decal backing color question

bill_d_goat
 

I have had success with the old idea of using a magic marker/Sharpie, etc., to color the back of the decal sheet for white lettering. This makes it easy to see the decal so you can cut it out without cutting into the lettering.
Sometimes a little of the color of the marking pen comes off with the decal so it's best to use the same color marker as the surface you are going to apply the decal to.
I have yet to see an answer (maybe missed it) as to why Champ and later decal makers insisted in using light colored decal paper. Is there a technical reason why dark colored decal paper won't work. Or did Champ once get a huge disouont on pink decal paper?
Bill Williams


Westerfield CB&Q XM-17/18 boxcar recent run

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,
I have for sale a Westerfield Models one-piece body resin boxcar kit of a
Chicago Burlington & Quincy XM-17/18 double sheathed wood 40' boxcar, modernized
with a steel Dreadnaught end. Westerfield # 8953. This is an unmolested kit, in
Mint-new undisturbed condition. Besides being of one piece body, the kit's box
has a small picture of a finished car, which is a practice adopted by
Westerfield relatively recently.

Offered for sale at $32.00, plus shipping of $3.95.

I accept checks and money orders. For a fee of $1.55, I can also accept PayPal.

If interested, please contact me off-list at <midcentury@...>

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Roofless cars

water.kresse@...
 

They used roofless box cars with 1/8" steel plate on floors for hauling coke on C&O.  Al Kresse

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Nashville, TN

James SANDIFER
 

I am planning a trip to Nashville in April. What of steam freight car significance is there to be seen there? Any model RR shows, clubs, exceptional shops, etc. in the area?
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@...
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417


Re: Roofless cars

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

In part:

I have received a copy of a Joe Hardy photo taken in July 1948 on the CB&Q
at Crawford Hill, Nebraska (which is between Alliance and Edgemont, in the
north-west corner of the state) The photo was apparently taken from an
overbridge and looks down on the length of the train from an acute angle.

Included in the consist are three cars that appear to be steel sided,
without roofs but with running boards, and they appear to have side doors
which are not full height.

I wonder which was more intimidating for a brakman, walking the roof of a normal boxcar with a roofwalk or walking a roofwalk on a car with no roof!!!??? The latter sounds a bit un-nerving in any inclement weather.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: 1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

George Courtney
 

In a case of premature posting, I forgot to mention that the S scale PRS car I have is a double door 40' car. I dug up a earlier post about Red Caboose OSL possible 40' cars, Tim O'Conner iirc. I went to the current Red Caboose site and saw their 40' Double Door UP offering. However I then realized that the earlier post may have referred to a single door not double door car.
I've got a Jerry Glow UP decal set now that I could use the "Serves All the West" for the OSL reporting marks. Come to think of it that slogan would give me OWR&N as well as LA&SL if I could fina s ampersand in the right color also using a extra UNION for O & N.
Is the 47 hundred series correct for a double door OSL reporting marks for 1953 to 1958?

Thanks,
George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:

from the AAR'37 PDF on the STEFC site:
OSL (UP) B-50-27 UP-Albina 500 189400 189899 1940 Note 6 Wood W Welded underframe-Mt. Vernon; ACR*

Archer makes ACR pattern rivets (I've used their HO version) http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/UP_10'_ACR.html

I have a set and although I have done quite a few sets in S-scale although not that one specifically.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@> wrote:

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney


Re: Roofless cars

Michael Aufderheide
 

Rupert,

They might be coke cars. The Monon had open top cars that transported coke from a power plant in Indianapolis to small foundries around the Midwest. They resembled stock cars without doors or roofs. This is an O scale model by Bob Schultz:

http://www.monon.org/pastcons/2001con-model3.jpg

These cars were built from low-sided gons.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

--- In STMFC@..., "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

I have received a copy of a Joe Hardy photo taken in July 1948 on the CB&Q
at Crawford Hill, Nebraska (which is between Alliance and Edgemont, in the
north-west corner of the state) The photo was apparently taken from an
overbridge and looks down on the length of the train from an acute angle.

Included in the consist are three cars that appear to be steel sided,
without roofs but with running boards, and they appear to have side doors
which are not full height.



I am aware of old cars having the roof removed and used for hides, etc. but
1948 seems a bit early to be using steel cars for that purpose. Any
suggestions?



Rupert Gamlen

Auckland NZ





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Re: 1937 UP boxcar #ing help #ing

jerryglow2
 

from the AAR'37 PDF on the STEFC site:
OSL (UP) B-50-27 UP-Albina 500 189400 189899 1940 Note 6 Wood W Welded underframe-Mt. Vernon; ACR*

Archer makes ACR pattern rivets (I've used their HO version) http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/modeling/UP_10'_ACR.html

I have a set and although I have done quite a few sets in S-scale although not that one specifically.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

I'm wanting to letter a S scale PRS 1937 Boxcar for the Union Pacific with the OSL reporting marks. I can't find S scale decals for this, but thought I could use the "Serves All The West" slogan from a second set of decals for the S and the L with the O from the UNION.
I don't know the correct car number to use with the OSL reporting marks. Can anyone help? I realize this car is probably a stand -in. Is there a easy fix with Archer decals?

Thanks,
George Courtney


Roofless cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

I have received a copy of a Joe Hardy photo taken in July 1948 on the CB&Q
at Crawford Hill, Nebraska (which is between Alliance and Edgemont, in the
north-west corner of the state) The photo was apparently taken from an
overbridge and looks down on the length of the train from an acute angle.

Included in the consist are three cars that appear to be steel sided,
without roofs but with running boards, and they appear to have side doors
which are not full height.



I am aware of old cars having the roof removed and used for hides, etc. but
1948 seems a bit early to be using steel cars for that purpose. Any
suggestions?



Rupert Gamlen

Auckland NZ