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Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

No, they’re not cheap, but virtually all quality illustration board is now acid free, or buy “museum board” if you want to be sure, and make your own acid free box. You can glue it together, or just use packing tape ON THE OUTSIDE and you’ll have an acid free box much more cheaply.

Schuyler



From: water.kresse@comcast.net

Sounds like I have a couple of the remedies in the house already: activated charcoal for the fish tank filter and kittie litter. Acid free boxes don't come cheap . . . unfortunately.
Al Kresse






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Re: Gon and hopper interiors

Steve SANDIFER
 

Here's your gondola shot.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/2178401853/in/photostream/
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Bower
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:22 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Gon and hopper interiors



Group: There is a great photo showing the wide variety of colors of a lot of
box cars in the "CMSTP, Gatewood Yard,Chicago". Go to the flicker site
below, then click on the "older" button about 10 times for the photo. This
shows the variations from newly painted to quite weathered. Also good
reference for types of roofs, and roof walk appearance.

Enjoy, Joe Bower

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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
midrly
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 9:32 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Gon and hopper interiors

Not just the SP. The Pennsylvania RR painted the insides of their hoppers as
well--

http://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/2179216178/lightbox/

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , Anthony
Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
>
> Clark Propst wrote:
> > Of course there are exceptions Brain, but generally gon and hopper
interiors were not painted.
>
> I disagree, Clark. Certainly SP painted interiors of every class of
open-top car of which I have an adequate photo evidence. I looked down into
an awful lot of hopper and gondola cars on the B7O track below the Carnegie
Mellon campus in the years I was there (and greatly enjoyed the
opportunity), and would say the unpainted interiors were the exception. Of
course paint was usually in remnant form along the upper parts of sides and
ends in hoppers.
>
> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
> 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
> (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
> Publishers of books on railroad history
>


Re: Lehigh Valley 60000-60499 Box Cars

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi Chuck,

The only pictures I have seen of LV box cars prior to the green ones has
the LEHIGH VALLEY on the left side of the car. The LV was on unique in
that there were a number of other railroads that had their name on the
left side of the car.

Joel Holmes

I'm finishing up a Sunshine model of a LV 60000-60499 series wood sided
boxcar. Besides the ACF builder's photo which was in the kit, there is a
photo in Bob Archer's book Lehigh Valley Railroad of one of the cars
around 1937. Their as-built lettering was unique in that LEHIGH VALLEY was
painted over the left side of the car, versus the right on most box cars.
Does anyone have or know of a photo of one of them in the later
1940-1950's lettering scheme? I do not believe they were lettered the same
as the better known cars with the left side opening doors.

Chuck Davis
Norfolk, VA



Re: Curious about veracity

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, Ben, that's what I thought.


Now, anybody for Pere Marquette?

Schuyler



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Benjamin Hom
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 9:37 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Curious about veracity





Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"New Accurail kits for June.

Are these legitimate models of actual prototypes?

#48351 Pere Marquette
#4846 Pennsylvania

Close to each other at the lower right of this page:
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4800.htm "

NO for PRR. The only 40 ft reefers built for PRR before the formation of
Fruit
Growers Express were the Class R7 single-sheathed cars. There were
intentions
to build reefers based on the Class X29 boxcar design, but these were never
built.

Ben Hom


Re: Curious about veracity

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee asked:
"New Accurail kits for June.

Are these legitimate models of actual prototypes?

#48351 Pere Marquette
#4846 Pennsylvania

Close to each other at the lower right of this page:
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4800.htm "

NO for PRR.  The only 40 ft reefers built for PRR before the formation of Fruit
Growers Express were the Class R7 single-sheathed cars.  There were intentions
to build reefers based on the Class X29 boxcar design, but these were never
built.


Ben Hom


Curious about veracity

Schuyler Larrabee
 

New Accurail kits for June.



Are these legitimate models of actual prototypes?



#48351 Pere Marquette

#4846 Pennsylvania



Close to each other at the lower right of this page:

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4800.htm



Schuyler


Lehigh Valley 60000-60499 Box Cars

Layout Tour
 

I'm finishing up a Sunshine model of a LV 60000-60499 series wood sided boxcar. Besides the ACF builder's photo which was in the kit, there is a photo in Bob Archer's book Lehigh Valley Railroad of one of the cars around 1937. Their as-built lettering was unique in that LEHIGH VALLEY was painted over the left side of the car, versus the right on most box cars. Does anyone have or know of a photo of one of them in the later 1940-1950's lettering scheme? I do not believe they were lettered the same as the better known cars with the left side opening doors.

Chuck Davis
Norfolk, VA


correction about models at Cocoa Beach

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I just learned at RPM-East last weekend that I had messed up my blog post about models at Cocoa Beach, and credited Eric Thur with some of John Johnson's models (Eric pointed it out to meK). My apologies to both of them, and to anyone who was confused. I have explained this in my most recent post (see below) and also gone back and corrected the previous post so that it reads correctly. I also included some comments about RPM-East in my post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/03/rpm-east-and-correction.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Pencil

Andy Sperandeo
 

Tony, Richard,

There's no need to argue about anything. I like Prismacolor pencils too. I have a few in different colors and use them often.

Andy


Re: BLI NYC USRA design steel box car; was Sun Models NYC boxcar

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Don,

That's the Broadway Limited Imports car. Sun Models is the company of one of the folks who has worked with BLI on a number of model projects. The BLI car has, of course, been released and is now in re-release mode. Alas, they have yet to offer it equipped for any time frame earlier than the the late 1940's on, so I haven't bothered to get any.
Regards
Bruce
Thanks, Bruce. I wondered if there might have been a connection. They have also not been smart enough to offer the B&A version in more than one road number and, at least from what the Grubba's told me at Springfield, have not even been smart enough to offer a different
number for the B&A car in the latest run! It is a repeat of the first run! How dumb can one get! Still a nice model to have, however. I have been purchasing them in four packs and would take more if they could get their marketing act together. It might also be a good model for Standard Car to offer a steel 1/2 door add-on kit for like the wood 1/2 door add-on for the Accurail cars already offered.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

np328
 

That mold is feeding on the paper, and you may get rid of the smell however not kill the mold. The next time the humidity rises the mold could come back to life. And if you place these by other books, the mold could spread. You need to kill the mold.

Keep the books isolated from other papers and get some freezer bags big enough to seal the books in the bag and freeze the books, sealed in the freezer bag in your home freezer for about two weeks-three weeks.

If you have a bunch of books check with a meat locker or a friend who has a larger freezer.

We have done this with donations to our archives that have came in with "that smell". It is cheap and effective.

And get a dehimidifier if you do not have one. Jim Dick - St. Paul

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "larry" <mrprksr@...> wrote:

Been following the great discussions on Steam era equipment and alot of Information quoted is from Old Guides and similar publications.....I have acquired several over the years and most have a pretty moldy smell....How do you fellows take care of this....Registers are in pretty good shape except for odor....Thanks....Larry Mennie


Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

Charlie Duckworth
 

Larry
I've had success with these methods
1) get a bag of kitty litter and put 2"-3" in the bottom of a plastic bucket that you can seal.
2) Put the book standing up with as many of the pages fanned open as you can.
3) Keep the book in the sealed contain for a couple of weeks and the kitty litter should pull the mold and moisture out of the pages.

If it doesn't remove all the moldy smell try also sprinkling baking soda between the pages, place in a sealed plastic bag and let sit in the sun for a few days.

Charlie Duckworth

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "larry" <mrprksr@...> wrote:

Been following the great discussions on Steam era equipment and alot of Information quoted is from Old Guides and similar publications.....I have acquired several over the years and most have a pretty moldy smell....How do you fellows take care of this....Registers are in pretty good shape except for odor....Thanks....Larry Mennie


Re: MEK...

albyrno
 

I went by Lowes in Reno this morning and they HAVE 2 GALLONS on shelf and normally carry MEK (NOT SUBSTITUTE)
Alan

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

I have been using MEK as a styrene cement since reading Al Armitage's
1959article in MR. However, the last time I looked for it at our local (but
very complete) ACE hardware store, the clerk told me that it was not longer
available. A Google search lead to a number of modeler forums where some
respondents indicated that it was available and others asked if California
had banned it.

After not finding it at Lowe's or Home Depot, I went to the Klean-Strip
website a week ago since Klean-Strip is the brand name for MEK, acetone,
lacquer thinner, etc. commonly stocked around here. I then discovered that
California has banned MEK. Klean-Strip showed MEK as available but "Not for
sale in California".

No problem, I'll get some the next time I'm in Reno, NV. But in checking the
availability of MEK online at the Lowe's and Home Depot stores in Reno, I
found that none of those stores in Reno have it in stock. So, I went to back
to the Klean-Strip website yesterday and it is now listed as "Discontinued".

So, if you are fan of MEK, you might want to stock up. I have about a half
gallon left and, fortunately, all of the structures for my layout are done.
But I have a long list of YV freight cars I want to build from styrene...

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA





CORRECTION Re: Re: MTH HO 40' steel reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote:
This is the same issue that I have with the Athearn "Rebuilt USRA boxcar"...

CORRECTION - ATLAS "Rebuilt USRA boxcar".  Thanks to Brian Carlson for pointing
it out.


Ben Hom


Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

Douglas Harding
 

The MSTL list recently raised funds and purchase Acid Free boxes, etc. for
storage of the MSTL AFE files that Gene Green is currently working with. We
got them from Gaylord, who regularly offers sales/discounts on items. They
currently are offering 25% off Archival supplies through today (just got the
email this morning). http://www.gaylord.com/



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

Benjamin Hom
 

Al Kresse wrote:
"Acid free boxes don't come cheap . . . unfortunately."

They're not that bad - I pick up magazine storage boxes at the local
comic book store for $5 retail, and the price per unit drops if you buy
them in bulk.
http://www.bcwsupplies.com/products/magazine-boxes/magazine-cardboard-storage-box.htm


Ben Hom


Re: MTH HO 40' steel reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

Jan Podganski Jr wrote:
"As I wrote in my original post, they are a decent stand in for a
plywood side R-40-24. I did upgrade a model with new grab irons, and
replace the ladder rungs with stand away rungs. The under frame needs
work to look better. I used a parts from a Tichy PFE under frame kit.
There seems to be a bias against MTH and I think that's why these cars
got very little attention."

Jan, your post pretty much sums it up. You have an RTR model with an
MSRP of $25 purporting to be a steel reefer that is closest to a
stand-in for a plywood-side car that you still had to replace the
underframe and upgrade the details to produce a credible model.


"If modelers can take a Tyco reefer and make something remarkable out
of it, then these cars have a lot of potential."

The Tyco reefer doesn't cost you $25! This is the same issue that I
have with the Athearn "Rebuilt USRA boxcar" - I can correct the model
and make it something much closer to the prototype, but the buy-in
cost is too high for something that isn't right in the first place.


Ben Hom


Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

water.kresse@...
 

Sounds like I have a couple of the remedies in the house already:  activated charcoal for the fish tank filter and kittie litter.  Acid free boxes don't come cheap . . . unfortunately.

 

Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----




From: "Rio Grande Ltd" <rgmodels@aol.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 11:39:38 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Moldy smell in Old  Railway Equipment Registers

you might ask a local museum.

eric

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: water.kresse <water.kresse@comcast.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:36 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Moldy smell in Old  Railway Equipment Registers


  
    
                  
Great question Larry . . . . I would like to know also . . . and so would my wife.  Al Kresse

Been following the great discussions on Steam era equipment and alot of Information quoted is from Old Guides and similar publications.....I have acquired several over the years and most have a pretty moldy smell....How do you fellows take care of this....Registers are in pretty good shape except for odor....Thanks....Larry Mennie

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Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

Douglas Harding
 

My wife would say set it in the sun for a few days. IE let the UV rays kill
off the mold/mildew. She also sprinkles cinnamon around the corners basement
to remove the odor.



Google can help: http://www.wikihow.com/Remove-the-Mildew-Smell-from-Books
which has a caution about using those dryer sheets.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers

Steve Stull
 

Larry, Al;

Follow this link to Northeast Document Conservation Center.

http://www.nedcc.org/ask/frequently.php#q9

Information is available, plus good hints for further assistance.

Good luck

Steve Stull

--- On Tue, 3/26/13, water.kresse@comcast.net <water.kresse@comcast.net> wrote:

From: water.kresse@comcast.net <water.kresse@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Moldy smell in Old Railway Equipment Registers
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, March 26, 2013, 8:36 AM
Great question Larry . . . . I would
like to know also . . . and so would my wife.  Al Kresse

Been following the great discussions on Steam era equipment
and alot of Information quoted is from Old Guides and
similar publications.....I have acquired several over the
years and most have a pretty moldy smell....How do you
fellows take care of this....Registers are in pretty good
shape except for odor....Thanks....Larry Mennie



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