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Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Andy Sperandeo
 

I think Bruce Smith has it right. The "side-facing goat" is seen in profile, while the "front-facing goat" is seen full face.  – Andy


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GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

npin53
 

There was also a herald that was used on some locomotive tenders that was called the "Forward Facing Goat". The goat on the engineers side, was painted as to face right, or forward in the train.

Has anyone used the new MicroScale box car decal set that includes the different GN heralds?

Aaron


Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

 

Huh. Hadn't thought about it that way. I'll retract my comment and await a
GN expert. 8^)

Thanks!
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Brian Ehni




From: "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@auburn.edu>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:55 AM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of
RP Cyc issues)








Brian,

I could be wrong, but I think that you have it backwards. As I understand
it, the older "forward facing goat" faces out to the side, the "side
facing goat" faces forward, along the car side ;^) Note that the "forward
facing goat" is rotated so that the entire goat faces outward from the car
side.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of
RP Cyc issues)

I think you answered your own question. If the goat is facing the end of
the
car, it's "front facing". If it's facing to the side, it's "side facing".

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Gene <bierglaeser@yahoo.com <mailto:bierglaeser%40yahoo.com>>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:44 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>>
Subject: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP
Cyc issues)

The GN faithful refer to "front-facing goat" and "side-facing goat."
In some GN monograms the goat appears to face parallel to the side of the
car and in other the goat appears to be looking out towards an observer
looking at the car's side.

Which is which?

Gene Green

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Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Benjamin Hom
 

Gene Green asked:
"The GN faithful refer to 'front-facing goat' and 'side-facing goat.'
In some GN monograms the goat appears to face parallel to the side of the
car and in other the goat appears to be looking out towards an observer
looking at the car's side. Which is which?"

Brian Ehni replied:
"I think you answered your own question. If the goat is facing the end of the
car, it's 'front facing'. If it's facing to the side, it's 'side facing'."

Brian, NO!  YOU HAVE IT BACKWARD.

Front-facing goat
http://www.gnrhs.org/store/product-info-mbr.php?pid43.html

Side-facing goat
http://www.gn-npjointarchive.org/Lists/GN_Newby_Photos1/DispForm.aspx?ID=1201
http://www.gnrhs.org/store/product-info-mbr.php?pid44.html


Ben Hom


Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Bruce Smith
 

Brian,

I could be wrong, but I think that you have it backwards. As I understand it, the older "forward facing goat" faces out to the side, the "side facing goat" faces forward, along the car side ;^) Note that the "forward facing goat" is rotated so that the entire goat faces outward from the car side.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:46 AM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

I think you answered your own question. If the goat is facing the end of the
car, it's "front facing". If it's facing to the side, it's "side facing".

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Gene <bierglaeser@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:44 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP
Cyc issues)






The GN faithful refer to "front-facing goat" and "side-facing goat."
In some GN monograms the goat appears to face parallel to the side of the
car and in other the goat appears to be looking out towards an observer
looking at the car's side.

Which is which?

Gene Green









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Freight car "charts" with nomenclature

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Over the years Simmons-Boardman's 'Ry Educational Bureau' has published a number of "charts" with a 3/4 view with cutaways of a particular type of freight car and numbers identifying by name all the various parts which often number in excess of 200.

Over the years I have collected a number of them but never one of a single-sheathed box car. Was there ever such a thing?

Gene Green


Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

 

I think you answered your own question. If the goat is facing the end of the
car, it's "front facing". If it's facing to the side, it's "side facing".

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Gene <bierglaeser@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:44 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP
Cyc issues)






The GN faithful refer to "front-facing goat" and "side-facing goat."
In some GN monograms the goat appears to face parallel to the side of the
car and in other the goat appears to be looking out towards an observer
looking at the car's side.

Which is which?

Gene Green









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GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

The GN faithful refer to "front-facing goat" and "side-facing goat."
In some GN monograms the goat appears to face parallel to the side of the car and in other the goat appears to be looking out towards an observer looking at the car's side.

Which is which?

Gene Green


Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

Somewhat to my surprise (and also thanks to list member Bill Pardie, who generously donated early sellout issue no. 20), I have succeeded in securing all the RPCyc issues. It is a treasure! I noticed that volumes 20-24 sold out quickly. Is this a result of increased interest or reduced number of copies printed?

I also enjoyed Tony's article on "significant freight cars". I was wondering whether you'd mention the 24000 GN 40' truss rod 40 ton box cars built 1901-1917. They probably had an even greater impact on the GN freight car fleet (40000 cars) than the 29000 X29 cars had on the much larger PRR fleet and could often be spotted in yard scenes all over North America for many years. Westerfield has the kits for them.

The two GN cars you chose were definitely "significant", though. The change to a side faceing goat in the monogram came about around 1940, but the text still stayed SEE AMERICA FIRST GLACIER NATIONAL PARK. It is not until 1947 that the monogram with the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY text was introduced.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues



No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Agreed, I bought a couple and then scrambled to find the ones I’d missed. They are extremely valuable when you have questions – answers there in documented detail. And it’s easy to see the large amount of work involved.



Schuyler



From: Brad Andonian
I must echo Tony---- my sincere thanks to Ed and Pat for wonderful work! I just got issue 26 today and it sure looks great. Now if I could just locate a copy of #20......

Brad Andonian
Seattle
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From: Anthony Thompson
No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com/
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Brad Andonian
 

I must echo Tony---- my sincere thanks to Ed and Pat for wonderful work!    I just got issue 26 today and it sure looks great.     Now if I could just locate a copy of #20......
 
Brad Andonian
Seattle


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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 3:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

 

No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com/
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


information value of RP Cyc issues

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Another nice video

proto48er
 

Rod -

The freight car lettering in the wrecked train looks like decal were applied without clearcoat. And note well the presence of the large VGN hopper in the train!!!

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rod Miller <rod@...> wrote:

On 4/1/13 3:56 PM, spsalso wrote:
This GN safety film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqpayZ2JqlU



shot in the forties has a goodly amount of freight cars in it. Imagine that!
There's demonstrations on the right and wrong way to operate various
handbrakes. And a Southern boxcar with those funny ends. And lotsa truss
rods.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Someone speculated about the scale of the model trains in the
wreck scene. I speculate, based upon the variety of rolling
stock, that they are either O or HO. Adding in the time frame
when the movie was made narrows it down in my mind to O scale.
Whatever the scale, the locos and rolling stock are nicely
done for when the movie was made.

Rod

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Re: Another nice video

Rod Miller
 

On 4/1/13 3:56 PM, spsalso wrote:
This GN safety film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqpayZ2JqlU



shot in the forties has a goodly amount of freight cars in it. Imagine that!
There's demonstrations on the right and wrong way to operate various
handbrakes. And a Southern boxcar with those funny ends. And lotsa truss
rods.


Ed

Edward Sutorik
Someone speculated about the scale of the model trains in the
wreck scene. I speculate, based upon the variety of rolling
stock, that they are either O or HO. Adding in the time frame
when the movie was made narrows it down in my mind to O scale.
Whatever the scale, the locos and rolling stock are nicely
done for when the movie was made.

Rod

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Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2014 Meet is Feb 6 - 8
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Eastern PA 2 rail O Scale Train Show and Swap Meet

Rich Yoder
 

Come one come all to the Eastern PA 2 rail O Scale train show and swap
meet Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company 203 W Franklin St. Strasburg PA
17579

All 2 rail O On3 On30 and High-Rail scale modelers are welcome.

April 6, Doors open at 9:00 am. The show is over at 1:00 PM dealers will
be open until 1:00 PM

Admission at the door is $5.00 Wives, Children, and Active Military with
ID are free! Come enjoy good Lancaster County hospitality and Amish
style cooking. Visit the Strasburg railroad or the Pennsylvania State
Railroad Museum

There is no smoking on the premises. Please share this with your
friends.

Location: Strasburg PA Fire Company 203 W Franklin St. Strasburg PA
17579





Sincerely,

Rich Yoder


Re: Interesting product from True Line Trains...

Tim O'Connor
 

I agree with you Dennis, although my experience with NWSL .074 semi-fine scale wheels (which also have smaller
flanges than Code 110) on a large club layout was very good, with no problems or derailments at all. But all of that
track was hand laid to strict NMRA standard with the flangeways filled exactly as prescribed by the NMRA gauge.
I imagine that more typical layouts will have problems with these TLT wheelsets.

Tim O'Connor



Since on the prototype, NO drop is allowable, the wheel tread must be supported by the rail at all times. For model work, the "get-out-of-jail-free card" has been filling the frog flangeways, as in street railway practice, but that precludes using any standard Code 110 wheels on the track, as those flanges will rise up as they run through the frogs. The narrow tread wheels that retain the Code 110 size flanges are actually better for our purpose, as they allow the use offlange bearing specialwork.
Dennis


Re: Interesting product from True Line Trains...

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "midrly" <lucas@...> wrote:

In the testing stages are HO Code 88 wheelsets using the NMRA Fine flange depth. Not sure how this will work out on the average layout.
Scroll down the bottom of this page--

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/paint-accessories/trucks-and-wheelsets
Steve,

This paragraph right here is an admission that the standard does not work:

"In most cases, the only noticeable difference is that a wheel might drop slightly when going through a long turnout frog (#8 and higher). On poorly tuned trackwork, this could cause a derailment. This is most noticeable on equalized trucks (typically sprung, but can also be of a type using a separate bolster). Most model truck sideframes are rigid, and the drop is lessened as a result. As long as your trackwork and wheel spacing is in gauge, you should be OK."

Since on the prototype, NO drop is allowable, the wheel tread must be supported by the rail at all times. For model work, the "get-out-of-jail-free card" has been filling the frog flangeways, as in street railway practice, but that precludes using any standard Code 110 wheels on the track, as those flanges will rise up as they run through the frogs. The narrow tread wheels that retain the Code 110 size flanges are actually better for our purpose, as they allow the use offlange bearing specialwork.


Dennis


Re: Another nice video

Charles Morrill
 

I thought the collision was done on an O scale layout. But the film was very interesting and not just because of the freight car shots.
Charlie

-----Original Message-----
From: midrly
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 11:10 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Another nice video

To this working railroader, there's a lot of scary work habits in this film.

If you look carefully at the "rear end collision" at about 32 minutes in, the equipment used seems to be American Flyer models on a layout.

But this is a nice film that shows a lot of STMFC's!

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:

This GN safety film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqpayZ2JqlU



shot in the forties has a goodly amount of freight cars in it. Imagine that! There's demonstrations on the right and wrong way to operate various handbrakes. And a Southern boxcar with those funny ends. And lotsa truss rods.


Ed

Edward Sutorik



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FW: [Espee] McKeen car website

 

I never knew McKeen made boxcars. And highway passenger vehicles (though
that's OT).

About 1/3 the way down the page:
http://mckeencar.com/gallery-2/u/union-pacific-railroad/


Thanks!
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Brian Ehni



From: David Coscia <espee.pe.sfv@gmail.com>
Reply-To: Espee List <Espee@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, April 2, 2013 7:47 AM
To: Espee List <Espee@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Espee] McKeen car website








Hello all

The owner of this website has requested photos and information.

Please contact the owner via his website if you are able to provide
anything.
http://mckeencar.com/

Regards
David Coscia

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Re: Interesting product from True Line Trains...

Fritz Milhaupt
 

Hopefully they will do a better job of setting the gauge on the code 88 wheelsets than they did on their eight-hatch reefers: I've averaged about 50% of the wheelsets being badly out of gauge on over a dozen of these cars.

Otherwise, I quite like them.

-Fritz Milhaupt
Operations Road Show
http:/www.railsonwheels.com/ors

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