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WANTED: O-Scale 2 Rail Model Kit

Dave Sarther
 

Wanted: O-Scale two rail model of CB&Q XM-840' Box Car The model was
originally offered by Ted Schnepf of Rails Unlimited. This box car was
originally constructed by Pullman in 1925 as an automobile car. The 10'
wide door and a half opening had an inside height of 10' was a
single-sheathed car with external steel reinforcing. According to ORER's
some cars from the original series #11000-12499 were still on the rails
as late as December 1968. I have just begun building P:48 models and as
a CB&Q modeler this car has great interest for me. I would like to build
one of these kits as an initial foray into P:48 modeling. I can recall
seeing a completed model of this car by Jim Zwernemann at the 2007
Naperville RPM Meet where I kept going back to view it over and over
hoping to engage the modeler in conversation. Please contact me off-list
if you have an unbuilt kit you would like to sell. There is a photo
available of Jim's completed model at :
http://www.proto48.org/p48_update_12.htm
<http://www.proto48.org/p48_update_12.htm>
Thank you, Dave Sarther Tucson, AZ sartherdj@aol.com
<mailto:sartherdj@aol.com>


Re: PRR G25B Gondola

Ryan Reed
 

I recently built the same kit.
Aaron,
Really nice work!! I think those dents turned out perfectly. Good job!

Ryan Reed


G25b Gondola dents

npin53
 

Thanks Bob. I used a heat gun, the type used for heat shrink. Just warm the area that you would like to distress, then use your finger nail or the edge of a screwdriver, and press until the resin has cooled. If you don't like what you have done, reheat the area, and it will return to its original shape. Same technique makes nice dents on the car sides. However, I have found that dents on the car sides, have to be deep and exaggerated, or the effect is mostly lost after paint, lettering, and weathering.

The load was inspired by Tony Thompson's blog article.

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/01/open-car-loads-pipe-in-gondolas.html

Aaron

You have constructed a very nice looking model indeed with very
realistic looking weathering. I do have one question, how did you make
the dents in the top of the sides without destroying the casting?

Bob Witt


Re: PRR G25B Gondola

rdgbuff56
 

Aaron,
    PRR gon is a great looking model.  Is there a name that I can punch in to see more of your Photobucket site?
 
Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.


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From: rwitt_2000 <rwitt_2000@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR G25B Gondola

 

Aaron Gjermundson wrote:

A discussion on the G25b, Westerfield kit, took place starting with
message #111225 back in September. This may help you some.

I recently built the same kit.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/npin53/PRR340032.jpg
Aaron,

You have constructed a very nice looking model indeed with very
realistic looking weathering. I do have one question, how did you make
the dents in the top of the sides without destroying the casting?

Bob Witt




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Re: PRR G25B Gondola

rwitt_2000
 

Aaron Gjermundson wrote:

A discussion on the G25b, Westerfield kit, took place starting with
message #111225 back in September. This may help you some.

I recently built the same kit.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/npin53/PRR340032.jpg
Aaron,

You have constructed a very nice looking model indeed with very
realistic looking weathering. I do have one question, how did you make
the dents in the top of the sides without destroying the casting?

Bob Witt


Re: PRR G25B Gondola

npin53
 

A discussion on the G25b, Westerfield kit, took place starting with message #111225 back in September. This may help you some.

I recently built the same kit.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/npin53/PRR340032.jpg

I would like to thank the list members who helped me with my questions.

Aaron


(No subject)

Anthony Isaacs <antmanok@...>
 


Re: PRR G25B Gondola (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Guys;

Yes, we could not find any photos we could use. Nevertheless, the Westerfield kit represents the betterments that were applied to the cars when they were reclassed, so it looks to be an accurate rendition. I have built 2 and like them very much.

There are other classes of early rebuilds that also dodged the camera, so this is not an isolated case.

I am still waiting for someone to build the screw (propeller) car...

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 11:44 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: PRR G25B Gondola



I just bought the new PRR gondola book and there are no G25b images. From the G25b description, it seems there is little difference between the original G25 class of cars. The text notes 1,737 cars were modified, beginning in January 1950. Series 340120-342599 had the drop door welded shut and a new vertical brake assembly applied to the end sill. Grab irons were also welded onto the car ends. Work on these cars was completed in March 1953.

This fine book contains a few G25 images. Some additional detail can be found here:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G25

I hope this helps,

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...> wrote:

Does anyone know of early (1950s) images of PRR G25B gondolas? I'm currently building the Westerfield kit and for the life of me cannot find any images either in my library of books and magazines or on the internet. I've nearly exhausted my search. The PRR Railfan.net site lists several image sources in the Keystone Vol. 33 #1 and #3 of which I'd happily purchase, but they're all of G25's and the pictures were taken a decade before my modeling year. Thanks to STMFC archives, I know of that shot in EBT Slim Gauge Survivor book but haven't actually seen it. I wonder why those gons were so camera shy, it seems that there was a lot of them.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!

Ryan Reed




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: PRR G25B Gondola

Eric Hansmann
 

I just bought the new PRR gondola book and there are no G25b images. From the G25b description, it seems there is little difference between the original G25 class of cars. The text notes 1,737 cars were modified, beginning in January 1950. Series 340120-342599 had the drop door welded shut and a new vertical brake assembly applied to the end sill. Grab irons were also welded onto the car ends. Work on these cars was completed in March 1953.

This fine book contains a few G25 images. Some additional detail can be found here:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=G25

I hope this helps,

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "rreed_eagle" <twogreyhounds@...> wrote:

Does anyone know of early (1950s) images of PRR G25B gondolas? I'm currently building the Westerfield kit and for the life of me cannot find any images either in my library of books and magazines or on the internet. I've nearly exhausted my search. The PRR Railfan.net site lists several image sources in the Keystone Vol. 33 #1 and #3 of which I'd happily purchase, but they're all of G25's and the pictures were taken a decade before my modeling year. Thanks to STMFC archives, I know of that shot in EBT Slim Gauge Survivor book but haven't actually seen it. I wonder why those gons were so camera shy, it seems that there was a lot of them.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!

Ryan Reed


GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Thanks to all who responded to my question. Your help is appreciated.
Gene Green


Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Surely there is a self-help group for those who would sell an RP Cyc. I can just imagine, "Hi, my name is Ernie and I sold my RP Cyc number X." A chorus of 'Hi, Ernies' would follow. Any time someone encounters a person who sold one that person should begin at once to organize a STMFC intervention. I mean, after all ...

Gene Green


Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Staffan Ehnbom wrote:
I also enjoyed Tony's article on "significant freight cars". I was wondering whether you'd mention the 24000 GN 40' truss rod 40 ton box cars built 1901-1917. They probably had an even greater impact on the GN freight car fleet (40000 cars) than the 29000 X29 cars had on the much larger PRR fleet and could often be spotted in yard scenes all over North America for many years. Westerfield has the kits for them.

The two GN cars you chose were definitely "significant", though. The change to a side faceing goat in the monogram came about around 1940, but the text still stayed SEE AMERICA FIRST GLACIER NATIONAL PARK. It is not until 1947 that the monogram with the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY text was introduced.
Staffan makes an important point: choice of "signature" cars depends on era. In an earlier era than my own 1953, the GN truss-rod cars would have been a dominant part of the GN fleet. In fact, anyone modeling a different era than mine would HAVE to make different choices. My point in writing the column was not to advocate my OWN choices, but to illustrate HOW one can go about choosing which signature cars to model. I should also mention that I didn't talk about my home road, SP, for which my range of choices and preferences are entirely different than what I might choose for "foreign" roads. As a GN modeler, Staffan knows what I am talking about.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


PRR G25B Gondola

Ryan Reed
 

Does anyone know of early (1950s) images of PRR G25B gondolas? I'm currently building the Westerfield kit and for the life of me cannot find any images either in my library of books and magazines or on the internet. I've nearly exhausted my search. The PRR Railfan.net site lists several image sources in the Keystone Vol. 33 #1 and #3 of which I'd happily purchase, but they're all of G25's and the pictures were taken a decade before my modeling year. Thanks to STMFC archives, I know of that shot in EBT Slim Gauge Survivor book but haven't actually seen it. I wonder why those gons were so camera shy, it seems that there was a lot of them.

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!

Ryan Reed


Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

markrossiter67 <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

Ron's Books has 16 issues listed, some early ones:
http://www.ronsbooks.com

Once on the site, do an 'exact word' search on prototype cyclopedia.

Mark Rossiter

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Don Burn" <burn@...> wrote:

Like Nelson I am in the process of finishing my collection, but I need 3,4,5,6 and 7 so any hints would be appreciated.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

I too have found RPCyc to be an invaluable resource. I have acquired all volumes except Vol. 3. If anyone on the list would like to sell Vol. 3, please contact me off list.

Nelson Moyer

On Apr 3, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:

Somewhat to my surprise (and also thanks to list member Bill Pardie, who generously donated early sellout issue no. 20), I have succeeded in securing all the RPCyc issues. It is a treasure! I noticed that volumes 20-24 sold out quickly. Is this a result of increased interest or reduced number of copies printed?

I also enjoyed Tony's article on "significant freight cars". I was wondering whether you'd mention the 24000 GN 40' truss rod 40 ton box cars built 1901-1917. They probably had an even greater impact on the GN freight car fleet (40000 cars) than the 29000 X29 cars had on the much larger PRR fleet and could often be spotted in yard scenes all over North America for many years. Westerfield has the kits for them.

The two GN cars you chose were definitely "significant", though. The change to a side faceing goat in the monogram came about around 1940, but the text still stayed SEE AMERICA FIRST GLACIER NATIONAL PARK. It is not until 1947 that the monogram with the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY text was introduced.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

mrprksr <mrprksr@...>
 

Keep an eye on 'ABE Books'....they had about a dozen different issues the last
time I checked....Lar




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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, April 3, 2013 2:54:58 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues


Like Nelson I am in the process of finishing my collection, but I need 3,4,5,6
and 7 so any hints would be appreciated.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nelson
Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

I too have found RPCyc to be an invaluable resource. I have acquired all volumes
except Vol. 3. If anyone on the list would like to sell Vol. 3, please contact
me off list.

Nelson Moyer

On Apr 3, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@telia.com> wrote:

Somewhat to my surprise (and also thanks to list member Bill Pardie, who
generously donated early sellout issue no. 20), I have succeeded in securing all
the RPCyc issues. It is a treasure! I noticed that volumes 20-24 sold out
quickly. Is this a result of increased interest or reduced number of copies
printed?

I also enjoyed Tony's article on "significant freight cars". I was wondering
whether you'd mention the 24000 GN 40' truss rod 40 ton box cars built
1901-1917. They probably had an even greater impact on the GN freight car fleet
(40000 cars) than the 29000 X29 cars had on the much larger PRR fleet and could
often be spotted in yard scenes all over North America for many years.
Westerfield has the kits for them.

The two GN cars you chose were definitely "significant", though. The change to
a side faceing goat in the monogram came about around 1940, but the text still
stayed SEE AMERICA FIRST GLACIER NATIONAL PARK. It is not until 1947 that the
monogram with the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY text was introduced.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as
they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is,
and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my
column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of
MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see:
http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I
talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great
majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my
blog, in this post:


http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Don Burn
 

Like Nelson I am in the process of finishing my collection, but I need 3,4,5,6 and 7 so any hints would be appreciated.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

I too have found RPCyc to be an invaluable resource. I have acquired all volumes except Vol. 3. If anyone on the list would like to sell Vol. 3, please contact me off list.

Nelson Moyer

On Apr 3, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@telia.com> wrote:

Somewhat to my surprise (and also thanks to list member Bill Pardie, who generously donated early sellout issue no. 20), I have succeeded in securing all the RPCyc issues. It is a treasure! I noticed that volumes 20-24 sold out quickly. Is this a result of increased interest or reduced number of copies printed?

I also enjoyed Tony's article on "significant freight cars". I was wondering whether you'd mention the 24000 GN 40' truss rod 40 ton box cars built 1901-1917. They probably had an even greater impact on the GN freight car fleet (40000 cars) than the 29000 X29 cars had on the much larger PRR fleet and could often be spotted in yard scenes all over North America for many years. Westerfield has the kits for them.

The two GN cars you chose were definitely "significant", though. The change to a side faceing goat in the monogram came about around 1940, but the text still stayed SEE AMERICA FIRST GLACIER NATIONAL PARK. It is not until 1947 that the monogram with the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY text was introduced.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history

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Planned Retirement of Birdsboro Trucks by Reading RR

rwitt_2000
 

For Reading Modelers:

A paper item on eBay that appears to list by car number the Reading
Railroad retirement program for cars w/loop type truck frames 1949 (i.e.
the retirement of Birdsboro trucks).

eBay item: 221209364737

http://tinyurl.com/c8swhk2 <http://tinyurl.com/c8swhk2>

Regards,

Bob Witt


Re: information value of RP Cyc issues

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

I too have found RPCyc to be an invaluable resource. I have acquired all volumes except Vol. 3. If anyone on the list would like to sell Vol. 3, please contact me off list.

Nelson Moyer

On Apr 3, 2013, at 3:11 AM, "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@telia.com> wrote:

Somewhat to my surprise (and also thanks to list member Bill Pardie, who generously donated early sellout issue no. 20), I have succeeded in securing all the RPCyc issues. It is a treasure! I noticed that volumes 20-24 sold out quickly. Is this a result of increased interest or reduced number of copies printed?

I also enjoyed Tony's article on "significant freight cars". I was wondering whether you'd mention the 24000 GN 40' truss rod 40 ton box cars built 1901-1917. They probably had an even greater impact on the GN freight car fleet (40000 cars) than the 29000 X29 cars had on the much larger PRR fleet and could often be spotted in yard scenes all over North America for many years. Westerfield has the kits for them.

The two GN cars you chose were definitely "significant", though. The change to a side faceing goat in the monogram came about around 1940, but the text still stayed SEE AMERICA FIRST GLACIER NATIONAL PARK. It is not until 1947 that the monogram with the GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY text was introduced.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:51 AM
Subject: [STMFC] information value of RP Cyc issues

No doubt many on this list have been buying some or all of the RP Cyc issues as they come out. I just want to stress how valuable the information in them is, and to thank Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider for the richness of their contributions.
An example of the kind of debt I owe this publication and its writers is my column in the April 2013 issue of _Model Railroad Hobbyist_ (like all issues of MRH, it is available free for download; for this month, see: http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/magazine/mrh-2013-04-apr ). In that column, I talk about "signature" freight cars of selected railroads, but the great majority of the citations to sources of prototype information are to RP Cyc.
Incidentally, I have also discussed the "signature freight car" concept in my blog, in this post:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/04/signature-freight-cars.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

As Ben showed, Bruce is right.

Staffan Ehnbom

----- Original Message -----
From: Bruce F. Smith
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)



Brian,

I could be wrong, but I think that you have it backwards. As I understand it, the older "forward facing goat" faces out to the side, the "side facing goat" faces forward, along the car side ;^) Note that the "forward facing goat" is rotated so that the entire goat faces outward from the car side.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: GN Monograms/lettering (was Re: information value of RP Cyc issues)

Scott Pitzer
 

They should have been called "facing the viewer goat" and "profile goat."
And I suppose the goat said "This is my GOOD side"...
Scott Pitzer

On Apr 3, 2013, at 6:59 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@gmail.com> wrote:

Huh. Hadn't thought about it that way. I'll retract my comment and await a
GN expert. 8^)

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

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