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Re: AAR postwar boxcars

George Corral <g.corral@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


3. Yes. You have choices. Northern Pacific had 2,000 40' box cars with
4/4 IDE built in 1945-1947 and 2,750 with R+3/4 IDE built in
1948-1953.
The latter cars were all built by NP at Brainerd in 4 groups. The last
3 groups built in late-1949 to 1953 had diagonal panel roofs. The cars
built in 1951 and 1953 came with straight side sills, which would
require modification of the Branchline kit. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Thank you Ed:

In doing more research early this morning, I came across your paper
titled 1944 AAR 40' boxcars dated 2002. This is a wonderful source of
information and exactly what I needed. Now I fully understand your
answer to question #3.

Thanks once again. You are a great resource as are the other veterans
on this blog!

George Corral


Re: WPM 2013 Photos Posted (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Thanks, Dave! Lots of great modeling there!

Tell everyone I said HI

Elden Gatwood

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I have posted the photos from this years WPM meet, held Saturday April 13, 2013 in the San Bernardino Santa Fe Depot
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2013&page=all

Dave Hussey





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WPM 2013 Photos Posted

dh30973
 

I have posted the photos from this years WPM meet, held Saturday April 13, 2013 in the San Bernardino Santa Fe Depot
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2013&page=all

Dave Hussey


Re: EJ&E rebuilt green box cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Tom;

I did mine in green and orange lettering using Floquil Dark Green with drops of black added until it looked right. The ends on mine were Floquil Black. The colors worked well with the decals provided by Sunshine, leaving the lettering a dark orange.

Elden Gatwood

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________________________________________
To anyone in the group:

What tone of green is recommended for the EJ&E rebuilt box cars that were repainted green and had orange lettering and emblem? The tone is not the same as that used by the M&StL for its green box cars which appeared about the same time. Any ideas?

Tom Baker



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Re: Attn: Jerry Glow

Allen Cain <allencain@...>
 

I too would like to get in touch with Jerry Glow so please contact me also
regarding an order placed months ago.



Allen Cain


Re: War Emergency rebuild?

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

Here is what I have:



N&W Class B-31, #206000-206999 is former NKP 6000-6999; cars originally built by Pullman- Standard in 1948; cars equipped with ASF Ride Control trucks with D5 spring package. Cars are described as "plain" meaning general use.



N&W Class B-63, #208200-208299 is former NKP 8200-8299 built by Pullman- Standard in 1944; these cars were rebuilt in 1964 at Brewster and equipped with "DF" Loaders, Lading Band Anchors, 5 Belts.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

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From: "Brian Carlson" <prrk41361@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 10:22:39 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] War Emergency rebuild?

 




Tim:

Nope. I'm not sure because these were NW classes and I don't have an NW
Diagram book. The few things I can tell from the NKP diagram were 8200-8249
had 2 3/8" T&G floors and 8250-8299 had 2 3/8" Koppers Floor (Not sure what
that was.) Also later on some had the capacity increased to 110,000 later in
life. I'm not sure if either of these changes would account for the
different classes. Jim Brewer are you out there?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

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O'Connor
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] War Emergency rebuild?

Brian

Thanks.

Does the article say why 208236 is stenciled B-31, and 208270 is
stenciled as class B-63?

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Re: EJ&E rebuilt green box cars

Thomas Baker
 

________________________________________
To anyone in the group:

What tone of green is recommended for the EJ&E rebuilt box cars that were repainted green and had orange lettering and emblem? The tone is not the same as that used by the M&StL for its green box cars which appeared about the same time. Any ideas?

Tom Baker


Re: AAR postwar boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:13 PM, George Corral wrote:

1) Were most 40' AAR postwar boxcars 10'6" IH?
2) Would I be correct to say that all Branchline Blueprint series AAR
40' postwar boxcar kits with 6' doors (1400 series models) all came
with 4/4 IDE ends and straight panel roofs?
3) If so, could I then use any of these kits to build a Northern
Pacific 40' AAR postwar boxcar by re-lettered it with the correct
decals. Yes?
Thanks a bunch.
George Corral
George,
1. Yes. The majority ranged from 10'-4" to 10'-6" IH, but there was a
large number (nearly 39,000) 10' AAR box cars built in the postwar
period. SP/T&NO alone had 18,950 if I counted right.

2. No. Many postwar AAR 40'-6" box cars had 4/4 IDE but not nearly all.
There were many thousands of box cars built from roughly July 1948
through the 1950s with "R+3/4" Improved Dreadnaught Ends or Carbuilder
Ends (both offered by Branchline), and a significant percentage had 6'
door openings. Diagonal panel roofs became prominent beginning in 1948
as there was a transition from the Murphy panel roof to diagonal panel.
There were other variations of postwar 40'-6" box cars including cars
with welded sides and other types of roofs such as the proprietary ACF
Riveted Depressed Panel Roof.

3. Yes. You have choices. Northern Pacific had 2,000 40' box cars with
4/4 IDE built in 1945-1947 and 2,750 with R+3/4 IDE built in 1948-1953.
The latter cars were all built by NP at Brainerd in 4 groups. The last
3 groups built in late-1949 to 1953 had diagonal panel roofs. The cars
built in 1951 and 1953 came with straight side sills, which would
require modification of the Branchline kit. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: War Emergency rebuild?

Greg Martin
 

Brian,

Koppers was a wood chemical treating company and if I am not mistaken in
your area they had a treating facility in Oroville, Ohio and may also have
been an online shipper for the NKP. It might mention a type of treatment that
Koppers provided but most were coal tar based, so a form of creosote could
have been used but it seems to be highly unlikely as it would have the
typical odor, but there were other treatments as well.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 4/15/2013 7:23:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
prrk41361@yahoo.com writes:

Tim:

Nope. I'm not sure because these were NW classes and I don't have an NW
Diagram book. The few things I can tell from the NKP diagram were 8200-8249
had 2 3/8" T&G floors and 8250-8299 had 2 3/8" Koppers Floor (Not sure what
that was.) Also later on some had the capacity increased to 110,000 later
in
life. I'm not sure if either of these changes would account for the
different classes. Jim Brewer are you out there?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.


AAR postwar boxcars

George Corral <g.corral@...>
 

Hi all,

Questions to the knowledgeable in the group:

1) Were most 40' AAR postwar boxcars 10'6" IH?

2) Would I be correct to say that all Branchline Blueprint series AAR 40' postwar boxcar kits with 6' doors (1400 series models) all came with 4/4 IDE ends and straight panel roofs?

3) If so, could I then use any of these kits to build a Northern
Pacific 40' AAR postwar boxcar by re-lettered it with the correct decals. Yes?

Thanks a bunch.

George Corral
La Grange, KY


Re: War Emergency rebuild?

Brian Carlson
 

Tim:

Nope. I'm not sure because these were NW classes and I don't have an NW
Diagram book. The few things I can tell from the NKP diagram were 8200-8249
had 2 3/8" T&G floors and 8250-8299 had 2 3/8" Koppers Floor (Not sure what
that was.) Also later on some had the capacity increased to 110,000 later in
life. I'm not sure if either of these changes would account for the
different classes. Jim Brewer are you out there?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:34 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] War Emergency rebuild?





Brian

Thanks.

Does the article say why 208236 is stenciled B-31, and 208270 is
stenciled as class B-63?


Re: ART decals

jerryglow2
 

I do most of Stan's esp the ART ones but the ones I did for him were newer or different cars than the original requester. He has contacted me and I'm doing one to fit his needs.

Jerry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Stan Rydarowicz offers some ART decals; I don't know exactly which ones. I used to have his catalogue sheet but have "gone & done lost" it. Getting in touch with Stan takes a little doing, but methods have been discussed on this list.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, richtownsend@ wrote:


So. Anybody got a spare set of Oddballs #549 ART decals?

A couple of people have said Jerry Glow offers ART decals, but they do not show up on his on-line list.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon




Decaling our Steam Era Freight Cars

John
 

I've seen some talk, I think here, but on some other modeling sites as well, about how Walthers Solvaset seems weaker than it use to be. Turns out it is different chemical than it use to be. Many years ago, I got an MSDS for Solvaset. The main ingredient was butyl cellosolve (in fact, Solvaset is listed as a synonym for butyl cellosolve on Wikipedia). If you look at a bottle of Solvaset now, it lists methoxy-2-propanol and methoxy-1-propanol as the active ingredients. DIFFERENT CHEMICAL!!!

Actually, the correct IUPAC names are 1-methoxy-2-propanol and 2-methoxy-1-propanol. Butyl cellosolve's IUPAC name is 2-butoxyethanol. Butyl cellosolve is also a lacquer retarder and paint solvent and is available in gallons from Sherwin Williams (usually in the storeroom, not on the store shelves).

Turns out that both butyl cellosolve and the methoxy propanols are in the glycol ether family. Cellosolve is an ethylene glycol derivative and the other is a propylene glycol derivative. Ethylene glycols have come under scrutiny because of their toxicity, however, propylene glycols have more recently come under some scrutiny too.

Also, methoxy-1-propanol is actually a contaminant of methoxy-2-propanol (1-5%) and is suspected as being more toxic than the parent compound.

Anyway, Solvaset is NOT the same as it use to be, and I wouldn't go swigging the stuff or let kids get around it too much.

Mad scientist -- John


Re: War Emergency rebuild?

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian

Thanks.

Does the article say why 208236 is stenciled B-31, and 208270 is
stenciled as class B-63?

Tim O'

NKP rebuild of their war emergency boxcars. 100 of them were reconstructed
in September and October of 1964 by the NKP Original number was 8236. Refer
to the Winter 1993 NKPHTS magazine for an article on the NKP war emergency
cars.

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY


Anyone recognize this rebuild? I know it's after 1960 but maybe someone
out there in STMFC land knows what it is... the 1944 build date and the
5/5 ends indicate a WE box, but other features are downright weird...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400443167216

Tim O'Connor


Re: Derby Oil Company Tank Car Photos Update

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 14, 2013, at 8:25 PM, railsnw@frontier.com wrote:

I have received two more Derby Oil Company tank car photos and I have added them to the pdf file in the Files section titled "Derby Oil Company". These are of a different lettering style than the earlier photos I posted.

Richard Wilkens

Thanks, Richard. Interesting stuff!


Richard Hendrickson


Attn: Jerry Glow

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

Sorry for the interruption of normal STMFC chat:

Jerry Glow, please contact me at pblancher@gmail.com as I have been
trying to get a hold of you with no avail.

Thanks,

Phillip


Derby Oil Company Tank Car Photos Update

railsnw@frontier.com <railsnw@...>
 

I have received two more Derby Oil Company tank car photos and I have added them to the pdf file in the Files section titled "Derby Oil Company". These are of a different lettering style than the earlier photos I posted.

Richard Wilkens

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/HHJrUY_Udb0PAdlfYt96v0qEtE9d0ecs7imwCM1aTE-2wr4_WNrA_BOaImW_tHPe0K2YdM8tWcH-3wdrwfYi0HzxvR_ekH8iwKhTGRwySDBQvw/Derby%20Oil%20Company.pdf


Re: ART decals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

DANG!!



"The above" was an image taken from the webpage listed below. It says, at
the top:



Resin Parts

Stan Rydarowicz

165 Manchester Street

Youngstown Ohio 44509

Phone: 330-799-5321



It is NOT tough to get in touch with Stan. Just be reasonable about when
you call him. It's his home phone, after all. Evenings generally work well.
The above is from a Google search for Rydarowicz Stan and leads to this
link:

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunstan.pdf

Schuyler

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[mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ART decals

Stan Rydarowicz offers some ART decals; I don't know exactly which ones. I
used to have his catalogue sheet but have "gone & done lost" it. Getting in
touch with Stan takes a little doing, but methods have been discussed on
this list.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
richtownsend@... wrote:


So. Anybody got a spare set of Oddballs #549 ART decals?

A couple of people have said Jerry Glow offers ART decals, but they do not
show up on his on-line list.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon




Re: ART decals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It is NOT tough to get in touch with Stan. Just be reasonable about when
you call him. It's his home phone, after all. Evenings generally work well.
The above is from a Google search for Rydarowicz Stan and leads to this
link:



http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sunstan.pdf






Schuyler





From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2013 7:05 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ART decals





Stan Rydarowicz offers some ART decals; I don't know exactly which ones. I
used to have his catalogue sheet but have "gone & done lost" it. Getting in
touch with Stan takes a little doing, but methods have been discussed on
this list.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
richtownsend@... wrote:


So. Anybody got a spare set of Oddballs #549 ART decals?

A couple of people have said Jerry Glow offers ART decals, but they do not
show up on his on-line list.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon




Heinz pickle and vinegar car decals

Tom Palmer
 

Hi Folks,

I have need for either the Overland Models decals or one of
each Champ HT-62 Heinz pickle car and HT-219 Heinz vinegar car decals. I
have a couple of the Overland cars to hit the paint shop after I get done
with a couple of cars I am doing for a friend.

I will pay a reasonable cost.

Thank you and best regards,

Tom Palmer

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