Tony;

Link does work, make sure to remove the line breaks (>), along with closing the gaps.

Steve Stull

Thanks Jim... something weird though: both classes appear to have
5/5 ends. And the B-31 photo shows a "BLT 4-44" stencil.

Tim O'

Bill, this link dosen't work for me.
Fenton Wells

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>wrote:

**


Some of you are aware I am working on a book about the FGE/WFE/BRE
System. The appearance of the Univ. of Kentucky photos last week
inspired me to to use two of them with two I already had to create a
spread for my first chapter. This is truly a DRAFT and comments
should probably made off list to me. I will be continually playing
with it for awhile I bet, especially the image on page 90.

Follow this link. I am not sure how long it be up: https://
www.dropbox.com/s/ws32jqhb9kxjffv/Loading%20Peaches%20%26%20Re-icing%
20cars%20TRIAL%20spread%20.pdf

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

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Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@gmail.com

Thanks for clearing things up, John. I was wondering why the latest bottle of my old favorite, Solvaset, didn't seem to be working as well as the bottle I bought in the 1960's. Didn't smell the same, either. Now I know why!

Ken Robbins
Hancock, NH

Tony,

I had the same problem, but by using another browser (Firefox), it loaded
fine. Go figure...

Bill Hoss

Bill Welch wrote:

Some of you are aware I am working on a book about the FGE/WFE/BRE System. The appearance of the Univ. of Kentucky photos last week inspired me to to use two of them with two I already had to create a spread for my first chapter. This is truly a DRAFT and comments should probably made off list to me. I will be continually playing with it for awhile I bet, especially the image on page 90.

Follow this link. I am not sure how long it be up: https://
www.dropbox.com/s/ws32jqhb9kxjffv/Loading%20Peaches%20%26%20Re-icing%
20cars%20TRIAL%20spread%20.pdf

Sorry, Bill, the link returns this:

Error (404)

We can't find the page you're looking for. Check out our Help Center and forums for help, or head back to home. <<

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

On Apr 16, 2013, at 1:09 PM, caboose9792@aol.com wrote:

Somewhere in my vast archive of material I have an article about a company
doing that for roofing granules. I believe the article or one like it was
in the trainshed cyclopedia series of books.

Mark, that was probably the Barrett Company, who in the '40s converted 80 old tank cars into what amounted to covered hoppers for roofing granules.

Richard Hendrickson

Some of you are aware I am working on a book about the FGE/WFE/BRE
System. The appearance of the Univ. of Kentucky photos last week
inspired me to to use two of them with two I already had to create a
spread for my first chapter. This is truly a DRAFT and comments
should probably made off list to me. I will be continually playing
with it for awhile I bet, especially the image on page 90.

Follow this link. I am not sure how long it be up: https://
www.dropbox.com/s/ws32jqhb9kxjffv/Loading%20Peaches%20%26%20Re-icing%
20cars%20TRIAL%20spread%20.pdf

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

Somewhere in my vast archive of material I have an article about a company
doing that for roofing granules. I believe the article or one like it was
in the trainshed cyclopedia series of books.

Mark Rickert

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

3. Yes. You have choices. Northern Pacific had 2,000 40' box cars with
4/4 IDE built in 1945-1947 and 2,750 with R+3/4 IDE built in

1948-1953.

The latter cars were all built by NP at Brainerd in 4 groups. The last
3 groups built in late-1949 to 1953 had diagonal panel roofs. The cars
built in 1951 and 1953 came with straight side sills, which would
require modification of the Branchline kit. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Thank you Ed:

In doing more research early this morning, I came across your paper
titled 1944 AAR 40' boxcars dated 2002. This is a wonderful source of
information and exactly what I needed. Now I fully understand your
answer to question #3.

Thanks once again. You are a great resource as are the other veterans
on this blog!

George Corral

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Thanks, Dave! Lots of great modeling there!

Tell everyone I said HI

Elden Gatwood

I have posted the photos from this years WPM meet, held Saturday April 13, 2013 in the San Bernardino Santa Fe Depot
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2013&;page=all

Dave Hussey

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Tom;

I did mine in green and orange lettering using Floquil Dark Green with drops of black added until it looked right. The ends on mine were Floquil Black. The colors worked well with the decals provided by Sunshine, leaving the lettering a dark orange.

Elden Gatwood

I too would like to get in touch with Jerry Glow so please contact me also
regarding an order placed months ago.



Allen Cain

Here is what I have:



N&W Class B-31, #206000-206999 is former NKP 6000-6999; cars originally built by Pullman- Standard in 1948; cars equipped with ASF Ride Control trucks with D5 spring package. Cars are described as "plain" meaning general use.



N&W Class B-63, #208200-208299 is former NKP 8200-8299 built by Pullman- Standard in 1944; these cars were rebuilt in 1964 at Brewster and equipped with "DF" Loaders, Lading Band Anchors, 5 Belts.



Jim Brewer

Glenwood MD

________________________________________
To anyone in the group:

What tone of green is recommended for the EJ&E rebuilt box cars that were repainted green and had orange lettering and emblem? The tone is not the same as that used by the M&StL for its green box cars which appeared about the same time. Any ideas?

Tom Baker

On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:13 PM, George Corral wrote:

1) Were most 40' AAR postwar boxcars 10'6" IH?
2) Would I be correct to say that all Branchline Blueprint series AAR
40' postwar boxcar kits with 6' doors (1400 series models) all came
with 4/4 IDE ends and straight panel roofs?
3) If so, could I then use any of these kits to build a Northern
Pacific 40' AAR postwar boxcar by re-lettered it with the correct
decals. Yes?
Thanks a bunch.
George Corral

George,
1. Yes. The majority ranged from 10'-4" to 10'-6" IH, but there was a
large number (nearly 39,000) 10' AAR box cars built in the postwar
period. SP/T&NO alone had 18,950 if I counted right.

2. No. Many postwar AAR 40'-6" box cars had 4/4 IDE but not nearly all.
There were many thousands of box cars built from roughly July 1948
through the 1950s with "R+3/4" Improved Dreadnaught Ends or Carbuilder
Ends (both offered by Branchline), and a significant percentage had 6'
door openings. Diagonal panel roofs became prominent beginning in 1948
as there was a transition from the Murphy panel roof to diagonal panel.
There were other variations of postwar 40'-6" box cars including cars
with welded sides and other types of roofs such as the proprietary ACF
Riveted Depressed Panel Roof.

3. Yes. You have choices. Northern Pacific had 2,000 40' box cars with
4/4 IDE built in 1945-1947 and 2,750 with R+3/4 IDE built in 1948-1953.
The latter cars were all built by NP at Brainerd in 4 groups. The last
3 groups built in late-1949 to 1953 had diagonal panel roofs. The cars
built in 1951 and 1953 came with straight side sills, which would
require modification of the Branchline kit. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Brian,

Koppers was a wood chemical treating company and if I am not mistaken in
your area they had a treating facility in Oroville, Ohio and may also have
been an online shipper for the NKP. It might mention a type of treatment that
Koppers provided but most were coal tar based, so a form of creosote could
have been used but it seems to be highly unlikely as it would have the
typical odor, but there were other treatments as well.

Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

Hi all,

Questions to the knowledgeable in the group:

1) Were most 40' AAR postwar boxcars 10'6" IH?

2) Would I be correct to say that all Branchline Blueprint series AAR 40' postwar boxcar kits with 6' doors (1400 series models) all came with 4/4 IDE ends and straight panel roofs?

3) If so, could I then use any of these kits to build a Northern
Pacific 40' AAR postwar boxcar by re-lettered it with the correct decals. Yes?

Thanks a bunch.

George Corral
La Grange, KY

Tim:

Nope. I'm not sure because these were NW classes and I don't have an NW
Diagram book. The few things I can tell from the NKP diagram were 8200-8249
had 2 3/8" T&G floors and 8250-8299 had 2 3/8" Koppers Floor (Not sure what
that was.) Also later on some had the capacity increased to 110,000 later in
life. I'm not sure if either of these changes would account for the
different classes. Jim Brewer are you out there?



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 5:34 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] War Emergency rebuild?





Brian

Thanks.

Does the article say why 208236 is stenciled B-31, and 208270 is
stenciled as class B-63?