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ORER's at the C&O HS in Clifton Forge, VA

Bill Welch
 

Before I moved from Virginia I was able to visit the C&O Historical
Society's Archives in Clifton Forge and scan the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX
entries in their ORER collection. It occured to me some of you would
appreciate knowing they have a large collection of ORER's and might
have exactly the year and month you are looking for. I do not know
how much copying they are able to do, if any, but they will be able
to tell you. I can say this is a first class organization with an
enthusiastic group of supporters that are very proud of what they
have been able to preserve and make it available and accessible.
Below is a list of the ORER issues I know they have. Because I would
not have scanned the FGE/WFE/BRE/NX entries I already had, this may
not be an exhaustive list.

1913--December;
1914--November;
1920--May; August;
1921--March
1922--June; November;
1923--May; July; August; December;
1924--April; June; August;
1925--January; June; July; September;
1926--January; July;
1927--May; July; September; October;
1928--February; July;
1929--February; June; July; October; November; December;
1930--August; October; December;
1932--April; June; July;
1935--July;
1937--July;
1938--April;
1939--January; July;
1940--October;
1943--July;
1944--January; April;
1945--January;
1949--July;
1954--April;
1956--July;
1957--October;
1959--July;

The only amenity I did not find in the area was a "meat and three."

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Lackawanna USRA steel box car question

npin53
 

Thanks for the help with my DL&W box car questions. I now need to track down RP Cyc#21.

Aaron Gjermundson

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...> wrote:

Aaron
the 47000 series had 4/4 dreadnaugh end with the corrugations beveled off the the end of the ribs and Hutchins dry lading roof they came with Youngstown dors but some got 5 or 6 panel Surerior doors  I have a poto of one of those cars but the lettering is all most gone con't read the number
the 47700 series had the same type of ends and Murphy rectangular panel roofs they alos got soem Surperior doors the Seatm era site has a picture of 47936 with a 6 panelk Superior door hope this helps
Don Ford
69 and sunny in Kanab UT

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Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

John Evans
 

Brad,
 
In addition to the other sources already recommended two other excellent publications are "The Lehigh Valley Cement Industry" published by Arcadia Publishing, and Flags, Diamonds, and Statues magazine Volume 16, Number 3 published by the Anthracite Railroads Historical Society.  Both include aerial photos of the cement mills in the Lehigh Valley area north of Allentown, PA taken from the 1920's through the 1950's.  Both publications are available on-line from the respective publishers. 
 
John Evans
Easton, PA

--- On Sat, 4/20/13, cereshill <cereshill@yahoo.com> wrote:


From: cereshill <cereshill@yahoo.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 20, 2013, 12:15 PM



 



Fellas,
I am hoping to model a cement plant c.1950 for my railroad (PRR and NYC rolling stock). I am having trouble finding prototype images and or drawings to use. In seattle we have a modern plant or two---but I do not think they are representative.

Thank you for any help,
Brad Andonian








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Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

Greg Martin
 

Gwen,

Do you know a bit more history on these facilities? Are they still
operating? Locally was there sand and gravel and therefore the rail business
consisted of Cement inbound?

TIA
Greg Martin

Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean

In a message dated 4/21/2013 6:09:55 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
gwennyth42@yahoo.com writes:

This cement plant was on the NYC in fairborn, OH
http://gigapan.com/gigapans/5261
http://binged.it/14GCD3x

There was also a smaller one a bit further north off the Erie tracks
http://binged.it/ZByLfH

Gwen


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

George Courtney
 

Brad,

If you have access to the back issues of Model Railroader, there is a complete article by Robert Cushman on building a large cement plant. The plant was located in the Finger Lakes region, irrc. It was the July, 1963. Talked about track layout, selective compression etc.

George Cournty

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "boyds1949" <e27ca@...> wrote:

Brad,

Search on "Lehigh and New England Railroad". You should find a site, "Lehigh and New England Railroad-Black Diamonds to Tidewater". It has an interactive map and when you click on the towns just north of Allentown you will find lots of photos of the cement plants in that area.

Also, if you can find the color book on the L&NE that was written by Doug Lilly, it has a number of color images of cement plants taken in the 1950's. Many of them contain STMFC's (stay out of jail content).

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "cereshill" <cereshill@> wrote:

Fellas,
I am hoping to model a cement plant c.1950 for my railroad (PRR and NYC rolling stock). I am having trouble finding prototype images and or drawings to use. In seattle we have a modern plant or two---but I do not think they are representative.

Thank you for any help,
Brad Andonian


WTB Accurail Roller Bearing Trucks...1 pair

Hobby Guy <markstation01@...>
 

Hi all, I need one pair of these trucks, no wheel sets required, just drop a set in an envelope is all. Please contact me offline if you've got a set. Thanks is advance~


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

Brad Andonian
 

Gentlemen,
 
Many thanks for the tips, links and book ideas.    I have purchased the Morning Sun book and will be excited to get it!
 
Great group---
 
Brad Andonian

From: pullmanboss <pullmanboss@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:35 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

 
The Morning Sun book "Trackside Around the Pennsylvania Cement District"
covers the Eastern PA region served by the LV, DL&W, N&B, LNE etc. Lots of photos of lots of cement plants.

Tom Madden




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Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

Tom Madden
 

The Morning Sun book "Trackside Around the Pennsylvania Cement District"
covers the Eastern PA region served by the LV, DL&W, N&B, LNE etc. Lots of photos of lots of cement plants.

Tom Madden


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

Gwennyth Patrick
 

This cement plant was on the NYC in fairborn, OH
http://gigapan.com/gigapans/5261
http://binged.it/14GCD3x

There was also a smaller one a bit further north off the Erie tracks
http://binged.it/ZByLfH

Gwen


Re: Weaver Models 40' SS boxcar - prototype match

Larry Kline
 

I just created a photo album called Weaver-Crown Freight Cars and uploaded photos of the Weaver-Crown 32 ARA boxcar, composite reefer and single sheathed boxcar.

Larry Kline

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kline <lndkline@...> wrote:

I have all three of the Weaver / Crown cars. They all are the same height and all three have the same 4-4 Dreadnaught end and the same simplified underframe. The 32 ARA boxcar and the reefer have rectangular panel roofs. The SS boxcar has a 13 carline flat panel roof. Crown models was located in Newtown MA and I bought my first Crown Models cars in a Boston area hobby shop.

The 32 ARA box car is dimensionally correct. I have several painted for the WM. I have 2 reefers painted for the MDT 8000-8145 series. The reefer has a rectangular panel roof rather than the correct DSI roof. I have three SS boxcar models one I painted for as ATSF 128784, and Weaver factory paint jobs for MILW and MWR. The SS boxcars are all stand in models. I agree with Ben Hom that the SS boxcar does not have a prototype.

Bob Jones wrote:
Hi , The model in question was done by Crown Models originally , as was the woodside reefer and the 1932 style boxcar . The line was bought by Weaver soon after they moved into injection molding business , as I remember . The reefer and the 1932 share a 4 over 4 dreadnaught end , which may be the case with the outside braced (box car)

Ben Hom wrote;
Unfortunately, there aren't that many "Pratt truss" 8 ft 7 in IH prototypes (B&M/MTC, L&N, SAL), and none with Dreadnaught ends or 13- carline roofs. You can use this model as a stand-in for the B&M/MTC, L&N and SAL cars, but be advised that roof and ends do not match these
prototypes.

Larry Kline




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Cement response to Brad

JoelDee
 

Opps-Cement - go to jail Name on Cement response to Brad is Joel Dethlefs


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants

J.A. Phillips
 

I have two photos of the cement plant at Trident, Montana, posted on the NPTellTale of Facebook, both circa 1940. (Plant is still in business, as I recall.)

John Phillips
Seattle


"I will put down the informal history of the shirt-sleeve multitude," says Inez Mischitz. "What they had to say about their jobs, love affairs, vittles, sprees, scrapes and and sorrows. The oral history is a great hodgepodge and kitchen midden of hearsay. A repository of jabber. An omnium-gatherum of bushwah, gab, palaver, hogwash, flap-doodle and malarkey. The fruit of more than 20,000 conversations. What people say is history, what we used to think was history, is only formal history, and largely false. I will put down the informal history or I will perish in the attempt."


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

JoelDee
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "cereshill" <cereshill@...> wrote:

Fellas,
I am hoping to model a cement plant c.1950 for my railroad (PRR and NYC rolling stock). I am having trouble finding prototype images and or drawings to use. In seattle we have a modern plant or two---but I do not think they are representative.

Thank you for any help,
Brad Andonian
BRAD, Google Trona, California and search the historical photos which would represent a minerals mining operation during the steam era from the 1800s on into the 50s. UP, I believe had a 50s cement plant in Wyoming and the UP historians should be of help. Portland Cement had a plant in Ontario or Corona, CA--Once a mountain of cement somewhere in San Bernadino that was used to build the city of Los Angeles.


Re: Lackawanna USRA steel box car question

Donald Ford <ford.donald77@...>
 

Aaron
the 47000 series had 4/4 dreadnaugh end with the corrugations beveled off the the end of the ribs and Hutchins dry lading roof they came with Youngstown dors but some got 5 or 6 panel Surerior doors  I have a poto of one of those cars but the lettering is all most gone con't read the number
the 47700 series had the same type of ends and Murphy rectangular panel roofs they alos got soem Surperior doors the Seatm era site has a picture of 47936 with a 6 panelk Superior door hope this helps
Don Ford
69 and sunny in Kanab UT


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

Clark Propst
 

Brad if you contact me off list I can send you photos of the two plants in Mason City Iowa from that time.
Clark Propst

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "cereshill" <cereshill@...> wrote:

Fellas,
I am hoping to model a cement plant c.1950 for my railroad (PRR and NYC rolling stock). I am having trouble finding prototype images and or drawings to use. In seattle we have a modern plant or two---but I do not think they are representative.

Thank you for any help,
Brad Andonian


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

John King
 

Brad,

Search on "Lehigh and New England Railroad". You should find a site, "Lehigh and New England Railroad-Black Diamonds to Tidewater". It has an interactive map and when you click on the towns just north of Allentown you will find lots of photos of the cement plants in that area.

Also, if you can find the color book on the L&NE that was written by Doug Lilly, it has a number of color images of cement plants taken in the 1950's. Many of them contain STMFC's (stay out of jail content).

John King

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "cereshill" <cereshill@...> wrote:

Fellas,
I am hoping to model a cement plant c.1950 for my railroad (PRR and NYC rolling stock). I am having trouble finding prototype images and or drawings to use. In seattle we have a modern plant or two---but I do not think they are representative.

Thank you for any help,
Brad Andonian


Lackawanna USRA steel box car question

npin53
 

I'm interested in modeling one of the DL&W box cars in the 47000-47699, and 47700-47999 series. What ends and roof did these cars have?

There is a picture of one of the cars in Ted Cullota's box and auto car reference manual, page 128.

Are decals available for the "Route of Phoebe Snow" logo?

Thank you for any assistance.

Aaron Gjermundson
Still Winter in North Dakota.


Re: Weaver Models 40' SS boxcar - prototype match

Larry Kline
 

I have all three of the Weaver / Crown cars. They all are the same height and all three have the same 4-4 Dreadnaught end and the same simplified underframe. The 32 ARA boxcar and the reefer have rectangular panel roofs. The SS boxcar has a 13 carline flat panel roof. Crown models was located in Newtown MA and I bought my first Crown Models cars in a Boston area hobby shop.

The 32 ARA box car is dimensionally correct. I have several painted for the WM. I have 2 reefers painted for the MDT 8000-8145 series. The reefer has a rectangular panel roof rather than the correct DSI roof. I have three SS boxcar models one I painted for as ATSF 128784, and Weaver factory paint jobs for MILW and MWR. The SS boxcars are all stand in models. I agree with Ben Hom that the SS boxcar does not have a prototype.

Bob Jones wrote:
Hi , The model in question was done by Crown Models originally , as was the woodside reefer and the 1932 style boxcar . The line was bought by Weaver soon after they moved into injection molding business , as I remember . The reefer and the 1932 share a 4 over 4 dreadnaught end , which may be the case with the outside braced (box car)

Ben Hom wrote;
Unfortunately, there aren't that many "Pratt truss" 8 ft 7 in IH prototypes (B&M/MTC, L&N, SAL), and none with Dreadnaught ends or 13- carline roofs. You can use this model as a stand-in for the B&M/MTC, L&N and SAL cars, but be advised that roof and ends do not match these
prototypes.

Larry Kline


Re: Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

James Babcock
 

Try google - photos of Portland Cement or photos of Portland Cement in Jamesville, NY
Jim


________________________________
From: cereshill <cereshill@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 12:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Steam/Transition Era Cement plants: image help?

 

Fellas,
I am hoping to model a cement plant c.1950 for my railroad (PRR and NYC rolling stock). I am having trouble finding prototype images and or drawings to use. In seattle we have a modern plant or two---but I do not think they are representative.

Thank you for any help,
Brad Andonian




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Re: SAL Class B-3/B-4/B-5 SS XM (was Re: Weaver Models 40' SS boxcar)

thomas christensen
 

Drawings for the B-5 are in the files section.
Tom Christensen



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On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:20 AM EDT Monk Alan wrote:

Hi guys,

I've been working on a similar conversion, but using F&C's BAR 1927 ARA SS (Pratt truss) boxcar with flat steel and Youngstown doors (http://www.fandckits.com/HOFreight/6553.html) instead, as the diagonal strapping on the side's end panels is a closer match to what I've observed in pics of SAL B4s and B5s (ie a single strap running diagonally top to bottom, slanted inwards to the top). The sides and ends are basically good, replace side ladders with wire grabs and add shallow fish-belly centre beams to the underframe.

Must admit I hadn't considered the roof, but as the model is only part-started, it's not too late to rummage through my spares box and see what I have. Decals were going to come from a hodge-podge of SAL decals in my decal box, though IIRC there's suitable ones on the Speedwitch SAL boxcars sheet??

Regards,
Alan Monk,
London, UK



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