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Re: Airbrushing Resin Kits

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Gents,

I have used a very simple method for holding cars when airbrushing,
both resin cars and others as well. I take a length of plastic pipe hanger
material and bend one end sharply at the right angle. Using one of
the punched holes I screw the piece to the car bolster using the truck
mounting screw through the bolster kingpin hole.

Making a gentle arc I cut the pipe hanger to length while giving me
enough material to make a hand hold. Bending the loose end again at
a right angle I screw down the other end firmly. This makes a large
loop by which I can hold the car, rotate it to all angles and spray as I
go. The loop can then be hung on a hook for drying without ever touching
another surface.

When dry I remove the pipe hanger and save for the next job. I have
accumulated a number of these pipe hangers handles, of varying
lengths from different jobs painting cars of varying lengths as well.

I add this to my personal catalog of workshop tricks, along with using
cheap Dollar Store shot glasses for mixing paints or as parts holders
on the bench.

Mal Houck


Re: Airbrushing Resin Kits

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

RJ et all,
I've just blogged about I solve this problem for myself.
http://www.elgincarshops.com/mylayout.php
Enjoy,
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "radiodial868" <radiodial@...> wrote:

While the spring loaded "expander" handle works fine for car bodies with removable shells, what does one use to hold assembled Westerfield and Sunshine models for spray-painting? Any tips?
Thx,
RJ Dial
Pleasanton, CA


Re: SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING

Steve SANDIFER
 

I have a photo of a SK-T 60289 marked A.T.S.F. that must be mid 50s or later. It is beside a FT in Cigar paint with lifting lugs and a Firecracker antennae. Photo at Perry Oklahoma.
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING




On May 27, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
> The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
> Just because the lettering changed does not mean they swapped to shorter boards. I have seen photos of ATSF on long boards.
> Trucks: "Bettendorf" type cast steel
>
Steve is, as usual, correct, though it is worth noting that these changes were usually not made until a car was repainted, which was often several years (and sometimes many years) after the change went into effect.

Trtucks on all of the stock cars built by the Pennsylvania Car Co. in the late '20s were ARA cast steel with spring planks and Barber lateral motion devices. An exact HO scale reproduction is Tahoe Model Works' TMW109 (110wheels) or TMW 209 (88 wheels). See my model truck presentation at <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wMkpBYUw1RjhmRkE/edit?pli=1>.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil

Thomas Birkett
 

DTM

Direct to metal freight car enamel. DuPont. Also Mobil and others.
Tom Birkett
Bartlesville

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Cataldo
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 9:33 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil

Railroad color chip like from dupont paint give you a display look of a
railroad color dupont like most paints today are *Acrylic back in the 1930
to 60's was ** Enamel
*
*base paints

*
* tom
*



On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Don Burn <burn@windrvr.com> wrote:

**


With all the discussion of the demise of Floquil it got me wondering
has anyone ever considered recording railroad colors in a paint
independent way? The latest announcement is not the first time we have
lost a paint line, and with concerns about lacquers in some places we
may be barred more options in the future. Even before Floquil's demise
the concerns about color drift of the product have been expressed on this
forum.

So the question is has anyone ever considered Pantone or some other
independent scheme for denoting the colors. I am particularly thinking
of folks with paint chips or other data that represents the real color.

I realize that a large number of factors from fading and weathering of
the prototype, the type of film that was used to take the photo, all
the way to the type of lighting on a layout impact our color
perception but having a basis to start would help.

A lot of us base our formula on an article about building a model of a
particular car, or someone's published mix for a particular railroads
color. With the loss of Floquil a lot of these sources have been
invalidated, and as we build up new approaches perhaps figuring
something not dependant on a paint manufacturer should be considered.

Don Burn




--
*Thomas j Cataldo*






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Re: SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 27, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
Just because the lettering changed does not mean they swapped to shorter boards. I have seen photos of ATSF on long boards.
Trucks: "Bettendorf" type cast steel
Steve is, as usual, correct, though it is worth noting that these changes were usually not made until a car was repainted, which was often several years (and sometimes many years) after the change went into effect.

Trtucks on all of the stock cars built by the Pennsylvania Car Co. in the late '20s were ARA cast steel with spring planks and Barber lateral motion devices. An exact HO scale reproduction is Tahoe Model Works' TMW109 (110wheels) or TMW 209 (88 wheels). See my model truck presentation at <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wMkpBYUw1RjhmRkE/edit?pli=1>.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING

Tony Thompson
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
As Richard Hendrickson pointed out in the Santa Fe Painting and Lettering Guide, the first cars delivered to Santa Fe without periods were in June of 1943, presumably reflecting a change by the railroad. But cars delivered as late as February 1944 still had periods, likely builders who didn't get (or acted as if they didn't get) the message. This kind of observation can be made for lots of railroads, including cases with the Southern Pacific where builders were not following the railroad's own lettering spec seven years after a change. But for the present case, evidently the Santa Fe internally decided in 1943 to drop the periods.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING

Steve SANDIFER
 

The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
Just because the lettering changed does not mean they swapped to shorter boards. I have seen photos of ATSF on long boards.
Trucks: "Bettendorf" type cast steel

http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Paint/index.htm
______________
J. Stephen (Steve) Sandifer
mailto:steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net
Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

----- Original Message -----
From: WILLIAM PARDIE
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 1:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING




I would like to determine when the Santa Fe changed from the long
lettering boards with A.T.& S.F. To the shorter boards without the
periods.

Also would like a recommendation for the best trucks for the SK-Q
and SK-S series.

Thankd in davance:

Bill Pardie


Re: SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Pardie wrote:
I would like to determine when the Santa Fe changed from the long lettering boards with A.T.& S.F. To the shorter boards without the periods.
Bill, the ampersand was dropped in 1938 and the periods in A.T.S.F. were dropped in 1943.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I would like to determine when the Santa Fe changed from the long
lettering boards with A.T.& S.F. To the shorter boards without the
periods.

Also would like a recommendation for the best trucks for the SK-Q
and SK-S series.

Thankd in davance:

Bill Pardie


Re: Scratching my head over Speedwitch's SP/T&NO A-50-4 auto car--Kit K118

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:
I am also doing the origami necessary for the little brackets for the end placard boards. As I look at the prototype photos in the instructions however it appears the metal straps or tabs extend from the bottom edge of the placard board in the conventional method but the top the straps appear to extend from the top vertical edges, which is not conventional but a very interesting detail I would like to model if true. Can anyone speak to this?
Bill, I have looked at a number of photos of SP cars in this era and cannot see anything strange or different about the end placard board attachments.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


a few shots with steam era freight cars . . .

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Seeking: Pacific Limited NYC boxcars

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am seeking a few of Pac Ltd's NYC series boxcars---Pl 1550 would be a first choice. If you have a model or two to sell. Please let me know.

Thanks,
BRad Andonian


Re: [Scratching my head over Speedwitch's SP/T&NO A-50-4 auto car--Kit K118

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:
I realize there are not many good photos of the prototype around but I am thinking maybe the SP/T&NO used this attachment method, if indeed I am interpreting what I see correctly, on other cars. Any help will be appreciated.
Bill, I can send you scans of some photos off list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Scratching my head over Speedwitch's SP/T&NO A-50-4 auto car--Kit K118 photoetch parts assembly

Bill Welch
 

Typically I enjoy using photoetch to increase the level and fineness
of detail but working on Speedwitch's SP/T&NO A-50-4 auto car--Kit
K118--is making me dizzy, particularly the handbrake gearbox
assembly. I have read through the assembly process/sequence a few
times and I still do not get it. I have folded the 3-side "box" that
forms the structure and understand its orientation on the bottom of
the end sill. I also understand how the small gear parts are to be
joined to the larger gear parts. I do not understand how these parts
are oriented in the "box." Better photos of the "gear box" than are
in the instructions would help I think, either as modeled or
prototype. Curious if anyone has built this model with the "gear box"
or has a good prototype photo of this. I do not know the name of this
fixture nor do I know the prototype manufacturer.

I am also doing the origami necessary for the little brackets for the
end placard boards. As I look at the prototype photos in the
instructions however it appears the metal straps or tabs extend from
the bottom edge of the placard board in the conventional method but
the top the straps appear to extend from the top vertical edges,
which is not conventional but a very interesting detail I would like
to model if true. Can anyone speak to this? I realize there are not
many good photos of the prototype around but I am thinking maybe the
SP/T&NO used this attachment method, if indeed I am interpreting what
I see correctly, on other cars. Any help will be appreciated.
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com


Re: Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil

tjcataldo
 

Railroad color chip like from dupont paint give you a display look of a
railroad color
dupont like most paints today are *Acrylic back in the 1930 to 60's was **
Enamel
*
*base paints

*
* tom
*



On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Don Burn <burn@windrvr.com> wrote:

**


With all the discussion of the demise of Floquil it got me wondering has
anyone ever considered recording railroad colors in a paint independent
way? The latest announcement is not the first time we have lost a paint
line, and with concerns about lacquers in some places we may be barred more
options in the future. Even before Floquils demise the concerns about
color drift of the product have been expressed on this forum.

So the question is has anyone ever considered Pantone or some other
independent scheme for denoting the colors. I am particularly thinking of
folks with paint chips or other data that represents the real color.

I realize that a large number of factors from fading and weathering of the
prototype, the type of film that was used to take the photo, all the way to
the type of lighting on a layout impact our color perception but having a
basis to start would help.

A lot of us base our formula on an article about building a model of a
particular car, or someones published mix for a particular railroads
color. With the loss of Floquil a lot of these sources have been
invalidated, and as we build up new approaches perhaps figuring something
not dependant on a paint manufacturer should be considered.

Don Burn




--
*Thomas j Cataldo*


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Re: Airbrushing Resin Kits

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello RJ,

I like to use empty toilet paper rolls to hold built-up resin carbodies for airbrushing. You have to squeeze them a little to fit into the resin carbody, and they spring back enough to hold the body in place but without putting much pressure on the superglue joints. For one-piece resin bodies, though, the spring-loaded handles will do.

So long,

Andy


Re: Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, ben.



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of benjaminfrank_hom
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 6:54 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil





Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Think about the model railroad publication index which, I
understand, is again unavailable."

Wrong. It's hosted on the Kalmbach website at
http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx

The old URL will still get you there:
http://index.mrmag.com

The one catch is you have to register on the Kalmbach website.

Ben Hom


Re: Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil

Benjamin Hom
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Think about the model railroad publication index which, I
understand, is again unavailable."

Wrong. It's hosted on the Kalmbach website at
http://trc.trains.com/Train%20Magazine%20Index.aspx

The old URL will still get you there:
http://index.mrmag.com

The one catch is you have to register on the Kalmbach website.


Ben Hom


Re: Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I think Don’s idea here is an excellent one, but the main question is who and where will the information be recorded? And how can it be ensured that it will remain accessible. Think about the model railroad publication index which, I understand, is again unavailable.



The other thing is that many of the colors we’d like most to be able to be sure we’re right on are simply disappearing. Recently, I was contacted about the correct colors for the ERIE railroad’s structures. They were typically painted two shades of green – which did NOT match the later application of two-tone green to passenger equipment – with red window sash. One of the more frustrating things that has happened recently is that an ERIE depot was restored, by a HISTORICAL SOCIETY, and they did not have the sense to find some piece of wood, somewhere in the building, that was painted the original colors and by how it was assembled, protected from fading, so they themselves could match the colors when the building was restored. The building was painted to “match” the colors shown on some old color slides someone had taken in the 40s or 50s. So, while the building is reasonably well restored, the colors look a little cartoony, because they were not matched to anything with any reliability.



I freely acknowledge that the “cartoony” colors MIGHT be dead on. But I doubt it.





Schuyler



Oh, BTW, while the depot in question was a passenger depot, it is certain that STEAM powered FREIGHT trains passed by, with FREIGHT CARS in the consist. *whew*



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Don Burn
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 3:04 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Railroad colors and the demise of Floquil





With all the discussion of the demise of Floquil it got me wondering has anyone ever considered recording railroad colors in a paint independent way? The latest announcement is not the first time we have lost a paint line, and with concerns about lacquers in some places we may be barred more options in the future. Even before Floquil’s demise the concerns about color drift of the product have been expressed on this forum.

So the question is has anyone ever considered Pantone or some other independent scheme for denoting the colors. I am particularly thinking of folks with paint chips or other data that represents the real color.

I realize that a large number of factors from fading and weathering of the prototype, the type of film that was used to take the photo, all the way to the type of lighting on a layout impact our color perception but having a basis to start would help.

A lot of us base our formula on an article about building a model of a particular car, or someone’s published mix for a particular railroads color. With the loss of Floquil a lot of these sources have been invalidated, and as we build up new approaches perhaps figuring something not dependant on a paint manufacturer should be considered.

Don Burn





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Re: AAR 70 ton truck help

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 26, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:

I thought I had more IM 1958 CF ACF cars. However, I only have one. I
have
SHPX 25207 Leased to Sherwin Williams, built 3-1946. Do you know what
trucks
this car should have?
Brian,
SHPX 25207 was one of 20 cars in series 25189-25208 built 2-46 & leased
to Sherwin-Williams Co. The cars came with 70-ton double truss
spring-plank trucks with cast iron wheels.
Regards

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