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Re: 410M - True or False? (FALSE)

Charlie Vlk
 

Andy-

Slight correction.the Stove Polish article appeared in the April, 1954
issue.

Now Floquil is no more. I think the name comes from the original basis for
the line.ink, not paint!!!

Charlie Vlk



By the way, the John Page "Looking back" column on "The great stove polish
debacle" appeared in the December 1986 "Model Railroader," page 150. Page
makes clear that it was definitely Floquil, not 410M's maker, who took
umbrage at his August 1954 MR article showing how he'd used stove polish as
a model paint. Floquil resumed advertising in the January 1959 issue of MR.
Some on this list may be interested to read how MR founder and publisher Al
Kalmbach responded to Page's "indescretion."

So long,

Andy


Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Ken Roth
 

Perhaps "wonderful mix" was a bad choice of words, implying that I am not trying for realistic proportions of cars. For the record, I own exactly two SFRD reefers against many PFE's representative of the PFE classes appearing in my logs, as well as two ART reefers. I have no plans for more SFRD's.

Ken Roth

--- In STMFC@..., tony <tony@...> wrote:

Ken Roth wrote:
I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950 . . . For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.
That it happened occasionally does not, in my view, "justify" loading SFRD cars more than quite rarely. Conductor book data I have seen COULD justify some FGE cars being loaded, even a few NP cars, more than SFRD. Sorry, but in my opinion, you shouldn't load more than one SFRD car in a hundred, if that. I mean, of course, if you are trying to be realistic. If not, then you can do what you like.
Tony Thompson

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Re: miner refrigerator door fixtures drawing no.7850

greg kennelly
 

Rob,

There is no Miner drawing # indicated, but the 1928 Car Builders' Cyclopedia includess a drawing showing "Miner Refrigerator Car Door Fastener and Insulation" as Fig. 580 on page 395. I haven't checked any of the other CBDs or CBCs, but it is probably in some of them as well.

Contact me OFF LIST (greg_kennelly<at>alumni<dot>sfu<dot>ca) if you would like a copy of that page.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC

--- In STMFC@..., Robert Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone on this list may happen to know where a copy of this
drawing can be located (if it isn't long gone!) It was referenced in an
CC&F drawing of CPR refrigerator cars from 1922, but I imagine was used more
widely.

Rob Kirkham


California Roadbed

naptownprr
 

All,

Anyone know what's happening with California Roadbed? Is Richard ill? I placed an order and received an order confirmation back in February, but I haven't heard a word from him since, and he doesn't return my emails.

Jim Hunter


Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Roth wrote:
I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950 . . . For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.
That it happened occasionally does not, in my view, "justify" loading SFRD cars more than quite rarely. Conductor book data I have seen COULD justify some FGE cars being loaded, even a few NP cars, more than SFRD. Sorry, but in my opinion, you shouldn't load more than one SFRD car in a hundred, if that. I mean, of course, if you are trying to be realistic. If not, then you can do what you like.
Tony Thompson


Re: Why don't we ... ?

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

Jim â€" My first job was in a dye factory. We worked in mechanic’s uniforms with no place to clean up at the end of the day. I would come home with blue face and hands. So you can prototypically do some of your figures as zombies. â€" Al Westerfield
Well I worked in a factory that made copy machine toner. Even when you were clean you looked like a raccoon. Almost got kicked out of a cheap motel for soiling the carpet.

Ed Mines


Re: 410M - True or False? (FALSE)

Andy Sperandeo
 

By the way, the John Page "Looking back" column on "The great stove polish debacle" appeared in the December 1986 "Model Railroader," page 150. Page makes clear that it was definitely Floquil, not 410M's maker, who took umbrage at his August 1954 MR article showing how he'd used stove polish as a model paint. Floquil resumed advertising in the January 1959 issue of MR. Some on this list may be interested to read how MR founder and publisher Al Kalmbach responded to Page's "indescretion."

So long,

Andy


Re: s gage box car sides

Misc Clark
 

Ray - are these metal sides? is it $5 for both sets or $5 per..
Clark Cone


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, ray mueller <smuel10363@...> wrote:

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old star hobby products sides erie and gaex df 1 set of each $5
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Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Ken Roth
 

I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950. I have a copy of a conductor's log containing a westbound (towards Calif) train out of Ashland in 1949 in which two SFRD reefers (#7319 and #36104 bound for Chicago) appear, with the cargo listed as "pears". These most likely were loaded in Medford. By the way, another eastbound train of empties headed for Ashland from California lists four empty ART reefers destined for Ashland, again likely to be loaded with pears from the Medford area. Apparently during pear season, the SP would load any reefers they could get their hands on. For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.

Ken Roth


Re: ice service reefers

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides.
Bill,

This may have changed over time. Have you looked at the date of the dwg vs. the photos? Are there any revision notes on the dwg that would call out changes?

Jack Mullen


miner refrigerator door fixtures drawing no.7850

Robert kirkham
 

I'm wondering if anyone on this list may happen to know where a copy of this drawing can be located (if it isn't long gone!) It was referenced in an CC&F drawing of CPR refrigerator cars from 1922, but I imagine was used more widely.

Rob Kirkham


Re: ice service reefers

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Speaking of ice service reefers on "their owner railroads", the best double take I think I've had is Pennsylvania car #498350, shown on page 68 of the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Labeled as class "RB-23" in the caption, and explained as a "modified X23 box car", the car is clearly an ex-SFRD RR-23 class reefer! This car was most likely in service to supply ice AC on passenger cars.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL
________________________________________
From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of lnbill [fgexbill@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:02 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ice service reefers

The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



I believe the FGE, to keep prices down, Â had the C&O move ice from nearby Portsmouth, Ohio, (N&W) to their re-icing station in the C&O Russell, Kentucky, yard.



Al Kresse



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ice service reefers

    In response to past questions, I've posted a short discussion of ice service refrigerator cars on my blog. If you're interested, it is at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/06/ice-service-refrigerator-cars.html

Tony Thompson       Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 Â Â Â Â www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: ice service reefers

water.kresse@...
 

Hi Bill,



I presume that old reefer doors were easy to lock??????   I believe the C&O used an ex-reefer to store explosives in Richmond.



Al

----- Original Message -----


From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:02:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ice service reefers

The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



I believe the FGE, to keep prices down,  had the C&O move ice from nearby Portsmouth, Ohio, (N&W) to their re-icing station in the C&O Russell, Kentucky, yard.



Al Kresse



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ice service reefers

      In response to past questions, I've posted a short discussion of ice service refrigerator cars on my blog. If you're interested, it is at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/06/ice-service-refrigerator-cars.html

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: ice service reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Bill Welch wrote:
The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling.
The photo on page 32 of Gene Green's reefer color guide shows an FGE ice car that is all BCR.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks

Charles Happel
 

Thanks, that is a very common length.

Chuck Happel



"I never said half the crap people said I did."

Albert Einstein

--- On Sun, 6/16/13, brian <brianleppert@...> wrote:

From: brian <brianleppert@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks
To: STMFC@...
Date: Sunday, June 16, 2013, 12:53 PM
















 









Chuck, I made the truck tooling to fit InterMountain wheelsets, which at the time were 1.012".



Brian Leppert

Tahoe Model Works

Carson City, NV



--- In STMFC@..., Charles Happel <cghappel2001@...> wrote:

What is the regular axle length used on your trucks?
Chuck Happel


























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Re: ice service reefers

Bill Welch
 

The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



I believe the FGE, to keep prices down,  had the C&O move ice from nearby Portsmouth, Ohio, (N&W) to their re-icing station in the C&O Russell, Kentucky, yard.



Al Kresse



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ice service reefers

      In response to past questions, I've posted a short discussion of ice service refrigerator cars on my blog. If you're interested, it is at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/06/ice-service-refrigerator-cars.html

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: ice service reefers

water.kresse@...
 

I believe the FGE, to keep prices down,  had the C&O move ice from nearby Portsmouth, Ohio, (N&W) to their re-icing station in the C&O Russell, Kentucky, yard.



Al Kresse

----- Original Message -----


From: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ice service reefers

      In response to past questions, I've posted a short discussion of ice service refrigerator cars on my blog. If you're interested, it is at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/06/ice-service-refrigerator-cars.html

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks

brianleppert@att.net
 

Chuck, I made the truck tooling to fit InterMountain wheelsets, which at the time were 1.012".

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., Charles Happel <cghappel2001@...> wrote:

What is the regular axle length used on your trucks?

Chuck Happel


s gage box car sides

ray mueller
 

old star hobby products sides erie and gaex df 1 set of each $5 smuel10363@...


Re: Sunshine Order

O Fenton Wells
 

I understand. I heard the sem thing regarding Westerfield as well.
Hopefully some one will pick it up.
thanks,
Fenton Wells

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Pierre <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

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As I understand it, the business is not for sale, so the point is moot.
However, if I was in a position to and so inclined to do so, only part of
the product line would be of interest to me.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Do we know if anybody is looking to purchase this really great line of
kits?
Fenton Wells



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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


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