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Re: 410M - True or False? (FALSE)
Charlie Vlk
Andy-
Slight correction.the Stove Polish article appeared in the April, 1954 issue. Now Floquil is no more. I think the name comes from the original basis for the line.ink, not paint!!! Charlie Vlk By the way, the John Page "Looking back" column on "The great stove polish debacle" appeared in the December 1986 "Model Railroader," page 150. Page makes clear that it was definitely Floquil, not 410M's maker, who took umbrage at his August 1954 MR article showing how he'd used stove polish as a model paint. Floquil resumed advertising in the January 1959 issue of MR. Some on this list may be interested to read how MR founder and publisher Al Kalmbach responded to Page's "indescretion." So long, Andy
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Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP
Ken Roth
Perhaps "wonderful mix" was a bad choice of words, implying that I am not trying for realistic proportions of cars. For the record, I own exactly two SFRD reefers against many PFE's representative of the PFE classes appearing in my logs, as well as two ART reefers. I have no plans for more SFRD's.
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Re: miner refrigerator door fixtures drawing no.7850
greg kennelly
Rob,
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There is no Miner drawing # indicated, but the 1928 Car Builders' Cyclopedia includess a drawing showing "Miner Refrigerator Car Door Fastener and Insulation" as Fig. 580 on page 395. I haven't checked any of the other CBDs or CBCs, but it is probably in some of them as well. Contact me OFF LIST (greg_kennelly<at>alumni<dot>sfu<dot>ca) if you would like a copy of that page. Cheers, Greg Kennelly Burnaby, BC
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California Roadbed
naptownprr
All,
Anyone know what's happening with California Roadbed? Is Richard ill? I placed an order and received an order confirmation back in February, but I haven't heard a word from him since, and he doesn't return my emails. Jim Hunter
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Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP
Tony Thompson
Ken Roth wrote:
I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950 . . . For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.That it happened occasionally does not, in my view, "justify" loading SFRD cars more than quite rarely. Conductor book data I have seen COULD justify some FGE cars being loaded, even a few NP cars, more than SFRD. Sorry, but in my opinion, you shouldn't load more than one SFRD car in a hundred, if that. I mean, of course, if you are trying to be realistic. If not, then you can do what you like. Tony Thompson
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Re: Why don't we ... ?
ed_mines
--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:
Well I worked in a factory that made copy machine toner. Even when you were clean you looked like a raccoon. Almost got kicked out of a cheap motel for soiling the carpet. Ed Mines
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Re: 410M - True or False? (FALSE)
Andy Sperandeo
By the way, the John Page "Looking back" column on "The great stove polish debacle" appeared in the December 1986 "Model Railroader," page 150. Page makes clear that it was definitely Floquil, not 410M's maker, who took umbrage at his August 1954 MR article showing how he'd used stove polish as a model paint. Floquil resumed advertising in the January 1959 issue of MR. Some on this list may be interested to read how MR founder and publisher Al Kalmbach responded to Page's "indescretion."
So long, Andy
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Re: s gage box car sides
Misc Clark
Ray - are these metal sides? is it $5 for both sets or $5 per..
Clark Cone On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, ray mueller <smuel10363@...> wrote: ** [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP
Ken Roth
I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950. I have a copy of a conductor's log containing a westbound (towards Calif) train out of Ashland in 1949 in which two SFRD reefers (#7319 and #36104 bound for Chicago) appear, with the cargo listed as "pears". These most likely were loaded in Medford. By the way, another eastbound train of empties headed for Ashland from California lists four empty ART reefers destined for Ashland, again likely to be loaded with pears from the Medford area. Apparently during pear season, the SP would load any reefers they could get their hands on. For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.
Ken Roth
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Re: ice service reefers
Jack Mullen
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Bill, This may have changed over time. Have you looked at the date of the dwg vs. the photos? Are there any revision notes on the dwg that would call out changes? Jack Mullen
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miner refrigerator door fixtures drawing no.7850
Robert kirkham
I'm wondering if anyone on this list may happen to know where a copy of this drawing can be located (if it isn't long gone!) It was referenced in an CC&F drawing of CPR refrigerator cars from 1922, but I imagine was used more widely.
Rob Kirkham
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Re: ice service reefers
Bill,
Speaking of ice service reefers on "their owner railroads", the best double take I think I've had is Pennsylvania car #498350, shown on page 68 of the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Labeled as class "RB-23" in the caption, and explained as a "modified X23 box car", the car is clearly an ex-SFRD RR-23 class reefer! This car was most likely in service to supply ice AC on passenger cars. Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn AL ________________________________________ From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of lnbill [fgexbill@...] Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:02 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: ice service reefers The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:
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Re: ice service reefers
water.kresse@...
Hi Bill,
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I presume that old reefer doors were easy to lock?????? I believe the C&O used an ex-reefer to store explosives in Richmond. Al
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From: "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 3:02:15 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: ice service reefers The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:
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Re: ice service reefers
Tony Thompson
Bill Welch wrote:
The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling.The photo on page 32 of Gene Green's reefer color guide shows an FGE ice car that is all BCR. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks
Charles Happel
Thanks, that is a very common length.
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Chuck Happel "I never said half the crap people said I did." Albert Einstein
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From: brian <brianleppert@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, June 16, 2013, 12:53 PM Chuck, I made the truck tooling to fit InterMountain wheelsets, which at the time were 1.012". Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV --- In STMFC@..., Charles Happel <cghappel2001@...> wrote: What is the regular axle length used on your trucks? Chuck Happel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: ice service reefers
Bill Welch
The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling.
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Re: ice service reefers
water.kresse@...
I believe the FGE, to keep prices down, had the C&O move ice from nearby Portsmouth, Ohio, (N&W) to their re-icing station in the C&O Russell, Kentucky, yard.
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From: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:11 PM Subject: [STMFC] ice service reefers In response to past questions, I've posted a short discussion of ice service refrigerator cars on my blog. If you're interested, it is at: http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/06/ice-service-refrigerator-cars.html Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Tahoe Model Works Trucks
brianleppert@att.net
Chuck, I made the truck tooling to fit InterMountain wheelsets, which at the time were 1.012".
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Brian Leppert Tahoe Model Works Carson City, NV
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s gage box car sides
ray mueller
old star hobby products sides erie and gaex df 1 set of each $5 smuel10363@...
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Re: Sunshine Order
I understand. I heard the sem thing regarding Westerfield as well.
Hopefully some one will pick it up. thanks, Fenton Wells On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Pierre <pierre.oliver@...> wrote: ** -- Fenton Wells 5 Newberry Lane Pinehurst NC 28374 910-420-1144 srrfan1401@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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