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Re: Yumlkokpokk

Scott Pitzer
 

You can safely disregard that... pocket-typing.
Scott Pitzer

On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...> wrote:



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Yumlkokpokk

Scott Pitzer
 


Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Roth wrote:
Perhaps "wonderful mix" was a bad choice of words, implying that I am not trying for realistic proportions of cars. For the record, I own exactly two SFRD reefers against many PFE's representative of the PFE classes appearing in my logs, as well as two ART reefers. I have no plans for more SFRD's.



er
I see what you mean. But for data, you can read my 2011 blog post, link below. Out of 1102 reefers in SP conductor books I analyzed, there were exactly 2 SFRD cars, far less than FGE or MDT, to name two; and less than 0.1 percent. Your call how to run your fleet.

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2011/02/modeling-freight-traffic-coast-line.html

Tony Thompson


ADMIN: Re: Steve Stull

Mikebrock
 

Ignore the Steve Stull message, it is being worked.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Hacked email repairs

Steve Stull
 

Apologies to the group.

Email was compromised at 4:52 this afternoon, was not aware of the problem till a few minutes ago. Keep me on moderated status for now.

Issues are being corrected.

Steve Stull


Re: Floquil, the saga continues

kjstoebe@frontiernet.net <kjstoebe@...>
 

Pierre, the new Testor's paints are all acrylic.

Kurt Stoebe


Re: California Roadbed

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

<All,
<
<Anyone know what's happening with California Roadbed? Is Richard ill?
<I placed an order and received an order confirmation back in February,
<but I haven't heard a word from him since, and he doesn't return my
<emails.
<
<Jim Hunter

I understand that he did have some medical issues and therefore had a
backlog. I put a small order in a month ago and received it maybe 3 weeks
later.

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Northern Pacific 36-foot box car question

Eric Hansmann
 

I recently finished a Funaro & Camerlengo resin kit for a Northern Pacific, 36-foot, double-sheathed box car with fish belly side sills. The kit notes the prototype cars were built in 1906 by Standard Steel Car Company in the series 38300-39049. The 1926 ORER I have on hand lists two additional Northern Pacific number series for box cars with 36-foot inside length.

18000-18249 with 105 cars in service.
37300-38299 with 935 cars in service

Are either of these two NP car series similar enough to the 38300-39049 series of NP box cars? NP 37339 can be seen in this early image of Duluth. The car has similarities to the 38300-39049 cars.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/6920?size=_original

I'm trying to determine if the F&C kit can be used for additional NP, 36-foot, DS, fish belly side sill box car series.

Eric

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Re: 410M - True or False? (FALSE)

Charlie Vlk
 

Andy-

Slight correction.the Stove Polish article appeared in the April, 1954
issue.

Now Floquil is no more. I think the name comes from the original basis for
the line.ink, not paint!!!

Charlie Vlk



By the way, the John Page "Looking back" column on "The great stove polish
debacle" appeared in the December 1986 "Model Railroader," page 150. Page
makes clear that it was definitely Floquil, not 410M's maker, who took
umbrage at his August 1954 MR article showing how he'd used stove polish as
a model paint. Floquil resumed advertising in the January 1959 issue of MR.
Some on this list may be interested to read how MR founder and publisher Al
Kalmbach responded to Page's "indescretion."

So long,

Andy


Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Ken Roth
 

Perhaps "wonderful mix" was a bad choice of words, implying that I am not trying for realistic proportions of cars. For the record, I own exactly two SFRD reefers against many PFE's representative of the PFE classes appearing in my logs, as well as two ART reefers. I have no plans for more SFRD's.

Ken Roth

--- In STMFC@..., tony <tony@...> wrote:

Ken Roth wrote:
I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950 . . . For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.
That it happened occasionally does not, in my view, "justify" loading SFRD cars more than quite rarely. Conductor book data I have seen COULD justify some FGE cars being loaded, even a few NP cars, more than SFRD. Sorry, but in my opinion, you shouldn't load more than one SFRD car in a hundred, if that. I mean, of course, if you are trying to be realistic. If not, then you can do what you like.
Tony Thompson

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Re: miner refrigerator door fixtures drawing no.7850

greg kennelly
 

Rob,

There is no Miner drawing # indicated, but the 1928 Car Builders' Cyclopedia includess a drawing showing "Miner Refrigerator Car Door Fastener and Insulation" as Fig. 580 on page 395. I haven't checked any of the other CBDs or CBCs, but it is probably in some of them as well.

Contact me OFF LIST (greg_kennelly<at>alumni<dot>sfu<dot>ca) if you would like a copy of that page.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC

--- In STMFC@..., Robert Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone on this list may happen to know where a copy of this
drawing can be located (if it isn't long gone!) It was referenced in an
CC&F drawing of CPR refrigerator cars from 1922, but I imagine was used more
widely.

Rob Kirkham


California Roadbed

naptownprr
 

All,

Anyone know what's happening with California Roadbed? Is Richard ill? I placed an order and received an order confirmation back in February, but I haven't heard a word from him since, and he doesn't return my emails.

Jim Hunter


Re: Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Tony Thompson
 

Ken Roth wrote:
I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950 . . . For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.
That it happened occasionally does not, in my view, "justify" loading SFRD cars more than quite rarely. Conductor book data I have seen COULD justify some FGE cars being loaded, even a few NP cars, more than SFRD. Sorry, but in my opinion, you shouldn't load more than one SFRD car in a hundred, if that. I mean, of course, if you are trying to be realistic. If not, then you can do what you like.
Tony Thompson


Re: Why don't we ... ?

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfieldalfred@...> wrote:

Jim â€" My first job was in a dye factory. We worked in mechanic’s uniforms with no place to clean up at the end of the day. I would come home with blue face and hands. So you can prototypically do some of your figures as zombies. â€" Al Westerfield
Well I worked in a factory that made copy machine toner. Even when you were clean you looked like a raccoon. Almost got kicked out of a cheap motel for soiling the carpet.

Ed Mines


Re: 410M - True or False? (FALSE)

Andy Sperandeo
 

By the way, the John Page "Looking back" column on "The great stove polish debacle" appeared in the December 1986 "Model Railroader," page 150. Page makes clear that it was definitely Floquil, not 410M's maker, who took umbrage at his August 1954 MR article showing how he'd used stove polish as a model paint. Floquil resumed advertising in the January 1959 issue of MR. Some on this list may be interested to read how MR founder and publisher Al Kalmbach responded to Page's "indescretion."

So long,

Andy


Re: s gage box car sides

Misc Clark
 

Ray - are these metal sides? is it $5 for both sets or $5 per..
Clark Cone


On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 1:50 PM, ray mueller <smuel10363@...> wrote:

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old star hobby products sides erie and gaex df 1 set of each $5
smuel10363@...



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Evidence for loading SFRD reefers on the SP

Ken Roth
 

I was reading Tony Thompson's latest blog on PFE Ice Reefers and upgrading old CB&T SFRD reefers. In the article on SFRD reefers, Tony mentions that SRFD reefers were not loaded on SP, and vice-versa PFE cars on the Santa Fe. I would like to offer some evidence of loading SFRD reefers with pears in Southern Oregon in 1949 and 1950. I have a copy of a conductor's log containing a westbound (towards Calif) train out of Ashland in 1949 in which two SFRD reefers (#7319 and #36104 bound for Chicago) appear, with the cargo listed as "pears". These most likely were loaded in Medford. By the way, another eastbound train of empties headed for Ashland from California lists four empty ART reefers destined for Ashland, again likely to be loaded with pears from the Medford area. Apparently during pear season, the SP would load any reefers they could get their hands on. For my Siskiyou line pike, this justifies a wonderful mix of PFE, ART, and SFRD equipment.

Ken Roth


Re: ice service reefers

Jack Mullen
 

--- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:

The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides.
Bill,

This may have changed over time. Have you looked at the date of the dwg vs. the photos? Are there any revision notes on the dwg that would call out changes?

Jack Mullen


miner refrigerator door fixtures drawing no.7850

Robert kirkham
 

I'm wondering if anyone on this list may happen to know where a copy of this drawing can be located (if it isn't long gone!) It was referenced in an CC&F drawing of CPR refrigerator cars from 1922, but I imagine was used more widely.

Rob Kirkham


Re: ice service reefers

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Speaking of ice service reefers on "their owner railroads", the best double take I think I've had is Pennsylvania car #498350, shown on page 68 of the PRR Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment. Labeled as class "RB-23" in the caption, and explained as a "modified X23 box car", the car is clearly an ex-SFRD RR-23 class reefer! This car was most likely in service to supply ice AC on passenger cars.

Regards
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of lnbill [fgexbill@...]
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 2:02 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: ice service reefers

The company "D" size drawings I have for FGE Ice Service cars specify black sides and BCR roof and ends with white stenciling. In the photographs I have the ends appear to be the same color as the sides. As with PFE, FGE used older cars and I have photos of cars with truss rod, and Bettendorf u/f's and one the cars they purchased from the NYO&W which were AC&F Type I reefers (using Al Westerfield's nomenclature). Photos also exist showing ex-FGE reefers in ice service for some of their owner railroads. I have a photo of a truss rod car in Ice Service for the RF&P and an ex-PRR R7 with B&O reporting marks. These appear to be BCR with white stenciling.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., water.kresse@... wrote:



I believe the FGE, to keep prices down, Â had the C&O move ice from nearby Portsmouth, Ohio, (N&W) to their re-icing station in the C&O Russell, Kentucky, yard.



Al Kresse



----- Original Message -----


From: "Tony Thompson" <tony@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:38:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ice service reefers

    In response to past questions, I've posted a short discussion of ice service refrigerator cars on my blog. If you're interested, it is at:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/06/ice-service-refrigerator-cars.html

Tony Thompson       Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 Â Â Â Â www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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