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Re: PFE 1950s Ice Reefer Decals

James Fellows
 

Dick,



How are the sheets that these replaced? I have a unused sheet and a few
cars to do. Is there anything incorrect on the old one.



Thanks,



Jim Fellows



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dick
Harley
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 1:06 AM
To: STMFC; UP_Modelers; Classic_UP; Espee@yahoo; Citrus Modeling Group
Subject: [STMFC] PFE 1950s Ice Reefer Decals





After more years of procrastination than I knew I was capable, the
totally revised Microscale decal sets 87-501 (HO scale) and 60-501 (N e
scale) are now available (I have one in my hand). These decals are
for 40ft wood or steel PFE ice reefers painted between June 1950 and
April 1960. The set contains two identical sheets, has lettering for
at least six cars, has capy. and dimen. data for 16 different
classes, and has plenty of extras to improve pre-painted factory
lettering.
Order through your local shop or directly from Microscale's website:
http://www.microscale.com/

This set was completely redrawn from scratch using PFE, UP and SP
drawings for the medallions and all the lettering shapes and sizes.
Then, all lettering was compared to a multitude of photos do be sure
everything was scale size and spacing. It was during that photo
comparison process when I discovered that there were two versions of
the 45-inch black & white UP medallion (due to a UP drawing
dimensioning error) - note the space above the word "UNION". Both
versions are included.

I have artwork available for anyone wanting to make decals in another
scale - including full size.

A 1960s set is in process.

Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: Sylvania Central RR in Georgia

Todd Horton
 

Richard, I think the Central of Georgia Railway Historical Society has some pics of the combine you're looking for. Try CGRHS.org

Todd Horton


________________________________
From: Richard White <rhwhite@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 2:04 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Sylvania Central RR in Georgia

 

Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.I am building the Arbor Models kit of Sylvania Central 103 (and not finding it as difficult as some folks suggest).
She will need some cars to haul. I believe I am right in thinking that the SylvaniaCentral, in common with many shortlines, owned no freight cars of its own but relied on using those of the nearest class 1 railroad, in this case the C of G which owned it.
Does any member know where I can get information on the Sylvania Central's one and only combine? Am I right in thinking it was painted dark green as suggested by the contemporary Howard Fogg painting in 'Mixed Train Daily' and as shown in the modern painting by Don Coker? Does anyone know its number?
I have tried Google without luck but living in Botswana have no chance of finding a copy of Mallory Hope Ferrell's book 'Slow Train Down South' which might have the answer.
Pace Mike, the combine doubled as the caboose. My email addres is mailto:rhwhite%40botsnet.bw if you don't want to risk Mike's ire.
Thank you for your help
With best wishes
Richard White

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Re: PFE 1940s Ice Reefer Decals, was PFE 1950s Ice Reefer Decals

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

And what might be recommended for the 1940's, especially the postwar years?

Thanks for any response, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@..., Dick Harley <dick.harley4up@...> wrote:

After more years of procrastination than I knew I was capable, the
totally revised Microscale decal sets 87-501 (HO scale) and 60-501 (N
scale) are now available (I have one in my hand). These decals are
for 40ft wood or steel PFE ice reefers painted between June 1950 and
April 1960. The set contains two identical sheets, has lettering for
at least six cars, has capy. and dimen. data for 16 different
classes, and has plenty of extras to improve pre-painted factory
lettering.
Order through your local shop or directly from Microscale's website:
http://www.microscale.com/

This set was completely redrawn from scratch using PFE, UP and SP
drawings for the medallions and all the lettering shapes and sizes.
Then, all lettering was compared to a multitude of photos do be sure
everything was scale size and spacing. It was during that photo
comparison process when I discovered that there were two versions of
the 45-inch black & white UP medallion (due to a UP drawing
dimensioning error) - note the space above the word "UNION". Both
versions are included.

I have artwork available for anyone wanting to make decals in another
scale - including full size.

A 1960s set is in process.


Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Sylvania Central RR in Georgia

Richard White
 

Steam era freight car discussion group. The time period covered will be from 1900-1960.I am building the Arbor Models kit of Sylvania Central 103 (and not finding it as difficult as some folks suggest).
She will need some cars to haul. I believe I am right in thinking that the SylvaniaCentral, in common with many shortlines, owned no freight cars of its own but relied on using those of the nearest class 1 railroad, in this case the C of G which owned it.
Does any member know where I can get information on the Sylvania Central's one and only combine? Am I right in thinking it was painted dark green as suggested by the contemporary Howard Fogg painting in 'Mixed Train Daily' and as shown in the modern painting by Don Coker? Does anyone know its number?
I have tried Google without luck but living in Botswana have no chance of finding a copy of Mallory Hope Ferrell's book 'Slow Train Down South' which might have the answer.
Pace Mike, the combine doubled as the caboose. My email addres is rhwhite@... if you don't want to risk Mike's ire.
Thank you for your help
With best wishes
Richard White


PFE 1950s Ice Reefer Decals

Dick Harley
 

After more years of procrastination than I knew I was capable, the totally revised Microscale decal sets 87-501 (HO scale) and 60-501 (N scale) are now available (I have one in my hand). These decals are for 40ft wood or steel PFE ice reefers painted between June 1950 and April 1960. The set contains two identical sheets, has lettering for at least six cars, has capy. and dimen. data for 16 different classes, and has plenty of extras to improve pre-painted factory lettering.
Order through your local shop or directly from Microscale's website:
http://www.microscale.com/

This set was completely redrawn from scratch using PFE, UP and SP drawings for the medallions and all the lettering shapes and sizes. Then, all lettering was compared to a multitude of photos do be sure everything was scale size and spacing. It was during that photo comparison process when I discovered that there were two versions of the 45-inch black & white UP medallion (due to a UP drawing dimensioning error) - note the space above the word "UNION". Both versions are included.

I have artwork available for anyone wanting to make decals in another scale - including full size.

A 1960s set is in process.


Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach, CA


Re: L.A. area auto plants

Tom Vanwormer
 

Paul Jackson wrote:



The Pillowtex / Continental Can site on Union Pacific Avenue and the
Chrysler "allpar" plant on Eastern were about 5 driving-miles apart.

Link:
<https://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=3820+Union+Pacific+Avenue,+Los+Angeles,+CA&daddr=5800+Eastern+Avenue,+Commerce,+CA&geocode=Ff8HBwIdRIL0-CkbYgLdOc_CgDGQ0-XndswvgQ%3BFfGUBgId3v30-CmfLQ8qi87CgDH3YOUBEI2GLQ&aq=0&oq=5800+Eastern+Ave&sll=34.015231,-118.193596&sspn=0.009018,0.016544&vpsrc=0&t=m&hl=en&mra=ls&ie=UTF8&z=13&dirflg=d
<https://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=3820+Union+Pacific+Avenue,+Los+Angeles,+CA&daddr=5800+Eastern+Avenue,+Commerce,+CA&geocode=Ff8HBwIdRIL0-CkbYgLdOc_CgDGQ0-XndswvgQ%3BFfGUBgId3v30-CmfLQ8qi87CgDH3YOUBEI2GLQ&aq=0&oq=5800+Eastern+Ave&sll=34.015231,-118.193596&sspn=0.009018,0.016544&vpsrc=0&t=m&hl=en&mra=ls&ie=UTF8&z=13&dirflg=d>>

Start address: 3820 Union Pacific Ave Los Angeles, CA 90023
End address: 5800 Eastern Ave Commerce, CA 90040



On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Tom VanWormer <robsmom@...
<mailto:robsmom@...>> wrote:



Jeff Shultz wrote:

Is this it: http://www.allpar.com/corporate/factories/los-angeles.html

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...> <mailto:scottp459@...>wrote:



**


Was the "Pillowtex" plant of the 1980s-90s a former auto plant?
(Union Pacific Avenue, City of Commerce)
Scott Pitzer

The plant, at 5800 Eastern and Slauson (the southeast corner),
took up 86 acres and was making 57 cars per hour, nearly one per
minute. 2,100 employees worked in the plant itself, and $14
million went to 75 local companies. At that time, General Motors
and Ford also had factories in the area, and in total, 15,000
people were building a half million cars per year in the area.
(AMC had closed its nearby El Segundo plant in 1955).



Re: Box car ID please

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks, Steve. Indeed, 5400-5424, is the series. The judge can come back in
now. I'm done. Stick a fork in me. In the original email I saw 5000 and
then put my brain on the shelf. Tim was right. Confusion. This exchange
straightened *me*out - hope everyone else is clear.


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:41 PM, Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>wrote:

**


And now the rest of the story.

I think that the number series that Eric is referring to is 5400-5424. I
have a 1961 diagram showing that these were renumbered from the 1940/41 ACF
double door cars when DF loaders with 7 adjustable belt rails were added in
1959.


Steve Hile

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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID please


I haven't seen any 1962 diagram as described, but the diagram for 5000-5084
does show it to be a solid block of single door cars and the various ORER
records match.

Interestingly enough, 15 of those cars were further renumbering in 1971 to
50000-50014, according to that diagram and they appear in subsequent
ORER's.
That drawing does show a 6" bulb angle side sill reinforcement, so perhaps
that is what was added.

I would like to see some other data related to these mystery cars.

Regards,

Steve Hile

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From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf

Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:46 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID please

??

Mr Lombard I think you are confused. RI 5000-5084 are ALL listed as
50'6" with 8'0" door openings in the 1955, 1959 and 1965 ORER's. All
were equipped with DF loaders. (See Note Y in the ORER.) The selection
and renumbering of the cars from 30000-30348 into 5000-5084 happened
in 1953.

The 262800-262999 series are listed in 6 different subgroups in the
1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's with various door openings. These cars indeed
do not appear to all have been built at the same time.

Tim O'Connor

It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same
origin.
5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having DF
loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built by
ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto
loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have
been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction
typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5
doors
over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts,
Improved
Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the cars after
renumbering.


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor
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Re: Box car ID please

Eric Lombard
 

Tim,
Confusion is always lurking... and more probable than we would like in my
experience and I readily admit to it as a serious possibility. I put an oar
in the water based on the records in my computer taken from the RI
equipment diagram mentioned. My records could, of course, be incorrect and
I am away from my library (and will be for another three weeks) so cannot
check up on myself. On the other hand, in my experience compiling the
service records of prewar cars in the late '40s and through the '50s I have
found it common practice for roads to refit and renumber small groups of
cars in and out of specialized service - sometimes for periods of less than
a year. And to add to this chaos, some roads occasionally mixed cars of
diverse origins (but close dimensions) and sometimes when doing this to
listed only the smallest dimensions in the ORER masking the diversity of
cars in the series. On the bottom line, I'd request that the judge still be
out pending more detailed records. Sure wish my RI equipment diagram was on
the shelf here. My daughter would have none of that. Perhaps someone out
there also has that RI diagram?

And, please, Eric works very well for me - I don't know who Mr. Lombard is!


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>wrote:

**



??

Mr Lombard I think you are confused. RI 5000-5084 are ALL listed as
50'6" with 8'0" door openings in the 1955, 1959 and 1965 ORER's. All
were equipped with DF loaders. (See Note Y in the ORER.) The selection
and renumbering of the cars from 30000-30348 into 5000-5084 happened
in 1953.

The 262800-262999 series are listed in 6 different subgroups in the
1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's with various door openings. These cars indeed
do not appear to all have been built at the same time.

Tim O'Connor


It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same
origin. 5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having
DF loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built
by ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto
loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have
been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction
typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5
doors over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts,
Improved Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the
cars after renumbering.


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor


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Re: Box car ID please

Steve and Barb Hile
 

And now the rest of the story.



I think that the number series that Eric is referring to is 5400-5424. I
have a 1961 diagram showing that these were renumbered from the 1940/41 ACF
double door cars when DF loaders with 7 adjustable belt rails were added in
1959.



Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 7:49 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID please





I haven't seen any 1962 diagram as described, but the diagram for 5000-5084
does show it to be a solid block of single door cars and the various ORER
records match.

Interestingly enough, 15 of those cars were further renumbering in 1971 to
50000-50014, according to that diagram and they appear in subsequent ORER's.
That drawing does show a 6" bulb angle side sill reinforcement, so perhaps
that is what was added.

I would like to see some other data related to these mystery cars.

Regards,

Steve Hile

_____

From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:46 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID please

??

Mr Lombard I think you are confused. RI 5000-5084 are ALL listed as
50'6" with 8'0" door openings in the 1955, 1959 and 1965 ORER's. All
were equipped with DF loaders. (See Note Y in the ORER.) The selection
and renumbering of the cars from 30000-30348 into 5000-5084 happened
in 1953.

The 262800-262999 series are listed in 6 different subgroups in the
1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's with various door openings. These cars indeed
do not appear to all have been built at the same time.

Tim O'Connor

It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same origin.
5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having DF
loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built by
ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto
loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have
been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction
typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5 doors
over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts, Improved
Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the cars after
renumbering.


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor


Re: Box car ID please

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I haven't seen any 1962 diagram as described, but the diagram for 5000-5084
does show it to be a solid block of single door cars and the various ORER
records match.



Interestingly enough, 15 of those cars were further renumbering in 1971 to
50000-50014, according to that diagram and they appear in subsequent ORER's.
That drawing does show a 6" bulb angle side sill reinforcement, so perhaps
that is what was added.



I would like to see some other data related to these mystery cars.



Regards,

Steve Hile



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:46 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID please






??

Mr Lombard I think you are confused. RI 5000-5084 are ALL listed as
50'6" with 8'0" door openings in the 1955, 1959 and 1965 ORER's. All
were equipped with DF loaders. (See Note Y in the ORER.) The selection
and renumbering of the cars from 30000-30348 into 5000-5084 happened
in 1953.

The 262800-262999 series are listed in 6 different subgroups in the
1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's with various door openings. These cars indeed
do not appear to all have been built at the same time.

Tim O'Connor

It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same origin.
5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having DF
loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built by
ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto
loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have
been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction
typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5 doors
over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts, Improved
Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the cars after
renumbering.


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor


gluing to Delrin

Tony Thompson
 

Has anyone tried Microscale's product Micro Bond? I have used the Loctite "Plastic Bonder" in the past, which kind of works. I did find that a brief exposure to flame of the Delrin surface to be bonded seems to help greatly, supposedly altering the chemical bonds at the material surface.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Box car ID please

Tim O'Connor
 

r_e_lombard wrote:

Here's a photo of the original RI series:
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/446/32594/october-1995-page-24


Yep, that builder photo appeared in the 1943 CBC, and was reproduced
in Trainshed Cyclopedia #17. As I said this "series" of double door
cars appears to be anything but uniform.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Box car ID please

Tim O'Connor
 

??

Mr Lombard I think you are confused. RI 5000-5084 are ALL listed as
50'6" with 8'0" door openings in the 1955, 1959 and 1965 ORER's. All
were equipped with DF loaders. (See Note Y in the ORER.) The selection
and renumbering of the cars from 30000-30348 into 5000-5084 happened
in 1953.

The 262800-262999 series are listed in 6 different subgroups in the
1950, 1955 and 1959 ORER's with various door openings. These cars indeed
do not appear to all have been built at the same time.

Tim O'Connor

It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same origin. 5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having DF loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built by ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5 doors over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts, Improved Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the cars after renumbering.


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor


Re: {Disarmed} L.A. area auto plants

Jeff Shultz <jeff@...>
 

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Scott Pitzer <scottp459@...>wrote:

**


Was the "Pillowtex" plant of the 1980s-90s a former auto plant?
(Union Pacific Avenue, City of Commerce)
Scott Pitzer


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Re: Box car ID please

Eric Lombard
 

--- In STMFC@..., "atsfbox" <elombard@...> wrote:

It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same origin. 5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having DF loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built by ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5 doors over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts, Improved Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the cars after renumbering.




--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor





On p 12 of Shine's "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", there's a photo of NP L-9 0-6-0 1114 switching a C&O car with a yellow handbrake, whose number I read as 19063.

C&O 19000-19499 were 40-footers with 9' doors, built by AC&F in 1957. A B&W builder's photo of C&O 19209 appears in RP CYC 4, p 24; the handbrake doesn't appear to contrast with the car end. There's also a partial shot of C&O 19137 (19157?) in Vasser and Sudduth, "Frankfort & Cincinnati", p 82; that car appears to have a yellow handbrake. C&O experts can maybe address the significance of handbrake color.

In the same NP book on p 26, there's a photo of RI 5049. RI 5000-5084 were 50-foot cars with 8' doors, built by General American in 1951, equipped with DF loaders and renumbered from the 30000 series in '53. This info and a photo of RI 5046 appear in an Ed Hawkins article in RMJ 11/98: see pp 22-23.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Box car ID please

Eric Lombard
 

It appears that not all cars in the RI 5000 series were of the same origin. 5000-5024 were renumbered into that series in 12-1959 after having DF loaders installed (1962 equipment diagram). The original cars were built by ACF in 1940-41 as RI 262800-262999, 200 cars: 100 XAR Evans Type F auto loaders. 37 XAP body racks; 63 XAP auto parts racks. Builders photos have been published in a few places showing the cars to have body construction typical of the period at IL 50'6", IH 10'6", double Youngstown 5-5-5-5 doors over a 15-1 door opening, Dreadnaught 5-5 ends with W corner posts, Improved Steel roof, and Ajax hand brake. I've not seen any photo of the cars after renumbering.

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor





On p 12 of Shine's "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", there's a photo of NP L-9 0-6-0 1114 switching a C&O car with a yellow handbrake, whose number I read as 19063.

C&O 19000-19499 were 40-footers with 9' doors, built by AC&F in 1957. A B&W builder's photo of C&O 19209 appears in RP CYC 4, p 24; the handbrake doesn't appear to contrast with the car end. There's also a partial shot of C&O 19137 (19157?) in Vasser and Sudduth, "Frankfort & Cincinnati", p 82; that car appears to have a yellow handbrake. C&O experts can maybe address the significance of handbrake color.

In the same NP book on p 26, there's a photo of RI 5049. RI 5000-5084 were 50-foot cars with 8' doors, built by General American in 1951, equipped with DF loaders and renumbered from the 30000 series in '53. This info and a photo of RI 5046 appear in an Ed Hawkins article in RMJ 11/98: see pp 22-23.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Box car ID please

water.kresse@...
 

In the pre-C&O/B&O era,  Blue and Yellow was used on LCL and Cushion Underframe box cars.  As I said they were searching for a modern theme . . . . like brown with medium Futura yellow lettering.  The Cameo or Circle box cars had blue, gray and yellow.



Al Kresse

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From: "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2013 3:34:29 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Box car ID please


I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor





On p 12 of Shine's "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", there's a photo of NP L-9 0-6-0 1114 switching a C&O car with a yellow handbrake, whose number I read as 19063.

C&O 19000-19499 were 40-footers with 9' doors, built by AC&F in 1957. A B&W builder's photo of C&O 19209 appears in RP CYC 4, p 24; the handbrake doesn't appear to contrast with the car end. There's also a partial shot of C&O 19137 (19157?) in Vasser and Sudduth, "Frankfort & Cincinnati", p 82; that car appears to have a yellow handbrake. C&O experts can maybe address the significance of handbrake color.

In the same NP book on p 26, there's a photo of RI 5049. RI 5000-5084 were 50-foot cars with 8' doors, built by General American in 1951, equipped with DF loaders and renumbered from the 30000 series in '53. This info and a photo of RI 5046 appear in an Ed Hawkins article in RMJ 11/98: see pp 22-23.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


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L.A. area auto plants

Scott Pitzer
 

Was the "Pillowtex" plant of the 1980s-90s a former auto plant?
(Union Pacific Avenue, City of Commerce)
Scott Pitzer


Re: Box car ID please

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Tim,
I thought the C&O car was black, but blue is corporate color, so I said blue with a ?. Same with the yellow lettering just in case it was white.
Clark Propst


Re: Box car ID please

Tim O'Connor
 

I asked Ed Hawkins about C&O 19063 back in 1998 -- he told me that
the car was painted black, not blue. The book says the photo is from
Jan 1955 -- even though there is bright green grass visible and the
box car was built in 1957. According to the C&O Color Guide, box cars
with special assignments or load devices were painted black beginning
in 1957. The yellow lettering was applied to some cars 1956 to 1960.

The RI 5000-5084 cars had ACF-style "carbuilder ends" (without the
small dart ribs).

http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/342/25241/november-1998-page-23
http://trainlife.com/magazines/pages/100/7207/december-1992-page-33

Tim O'Connor

On p 12 of Shine's "NP Color Pictorial, vol 1", there's a photo of NP L-9 0-6-0 1114 switching a C&O car with a yellow handbrake, whose number I read as 19063.

C&O 19000-19499 were 40-footers with 9' doors, built by AC&F in 1957. A B&W builder's photo of C&O 19209 appears in RP CYC 4, p 24; the handbrake doesn't appear to contrast with the car end. There's also a partial shot of C&O 19137 (19157?) in Vasser and Sudduth, "Frankfort & Cincinnati", p 82; that car appears to have a yellow handbrake. C&O experts can maybe address the significance of handbrake color.

In the same NP book on p 26, there's a photo of RI 5049. RI 5000-5084 were 50-foot cars with 8' doors, built by General American in 1951, equipped with DF loaders and renumbered from the 30000 series in '53. This info and a photo of RI 5046 appear in an Ed Hawkins article in RMJ 11/98: see pp 22-23.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

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