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ACL yellow ventilated box car

Ron Morse
 

Anyone know where I can get info on the painting of this car? Such as roof, ends and underbody, were they black or yellow or ? I have only seen one photo of the yellow cars and can not locate same at this time.
Thanks
Ron Morse
O Scale in Springfield,MO


Re: CB&Q no. 73 truck

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, davesnyder59 <davesnyder59@yahoo.com> wrote:

Richard, is this Hi-Tech Details? The rubber airhose/mu people? Also went to your HO truck site that I have and drew a blank screen versus your normal PDF, are there problems? I went there because I remember another truck listed as Hi-Tech on your site, but Hi-Tech Details catalog lists no trucks. TIA.
Yes, it is Hi-Tech Details, AKA Jimmy Booth. It isn't in their catalog yet because Jimmy is doing some work on the dies, but he has the original RC dies and certainly intends to re-introduce that truck.

With regard to my HO Freight Car Trucks article, the original version went away when I post a revised version which, unfortunately, requires a new address: ttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wcjJWcENpaDJYbUU/edit?pli=1. Or see Tony Thompson's e-mail citing the address for it on his blog.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Walter Cox
 

Thanks to all who replied to my original

In a message dated 7/11/2013 11:59:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tony@signaturepress.com writes:




Walt Cox wrote:
A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but
does not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West
4/4 square dreadnaught ends.
Whether this change was intended to model some specific prototype, I don't
know. But if a PFE car is the goal, don't bother. The PFE class with that
end was R-40-10, and InterMountain makes an excellent R-40-10 which has
correct ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _tony@signaturepress.com_
(mailto:tony@signaturepress.com)
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Hendrickson truck update [Was: CB&Q no. 73 truck]

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Snyder wrote:
Richard, is this Hi-Tech Details? The rubber airhose/mu people? Also went to your HO truck site that I have and drew a blank screen versus your normal PDF, are there problems? I went there because I remember another truck listed as Hi-Tech on your site, but Hi-Tech Details catalog lists no trucks. TIA.
This is kind of my fault, because my upload to Google Drive did not quite work right. However, Richard Hendrickson has again updated and made minor changes to his article on HO scale model freight car trucks. An added feature is the inclusion of the new Tahoe Model Works Barber S-2 truck with Spring Plank, a truck SP (and other roads) liked and applied to a number of classes of freight cars. You can access Richard's article through this link to my blog:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/07/another-update-to-richard-hendricksons.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Bill Welch
 

Walt, I am not sure if this responsive to your question or not.

I have been fortunate to assemble a collection of Perishable Schedules for the L&N, SRR, ACL and SAL. Here is what I have gleaned from these for perishables headed to Montreal. These three schedules are for the 1948-49 season.

On the Southern for their #56 leaving Jacksonville on Tuesday at 5 PM it would arrive at Potomac Yard at 6 AM on Thursday. The B&O left Pot Yard with the train at 10 AM the same day and eventually three trains would arrive in Montreal with Florida Perishables.
1. 9:30 PM on Saturday via the B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CN
2. 10 PM on Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-NH-CV-CN
3. 5 AM Sunday B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CP

On the ACL with their Train ACD-10 leaving Jacksonville on Tuesday at 8:45 AM this block of perishables would be brought into Pot Yard by the RF&P on Thursday. Six trains ultimately bound for Montreal proceeded thusly.
1. Arriving 5 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CP
2. Arriving 11:30 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CN
3. Arriving 11:45 PM Saturday via PRR-NH-CV-CN
4. Arriving 11:45 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-NH-CV-CN
5. Arriving 11:30 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CN
6. Arriving 5 AM Sunday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CP

The SAL named train "The Marketer" left Jacksonville on Tuesdays at 4:30 PM scheduled to reach Pot Yard via the RF&P 11:59 PM on Wednesday. Five trains took the perishables to Montreal.
1. Arriving 9:30 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CN
2. Arriving 4 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CP
3. Arriving 10 PM Saturday via PRR-NH-CV-CN
4. Arriving 11:30 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CN
5. Arriving 10 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-NH-CV-CN

The refrigerator cars would course been randomly from the Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Express/Burlington Refrigerator Express System. I tell people the approximate ratio of car ownership was FGE-15/WFE-7-8/BRE-2 that is perhaps a point of departure for a mixture of reporting marks. Including a random ART, PFE, MDT, NWX, SFRD car or cars would be appropriate.

Hope this helps.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, WaltGCox@... wrote:

I have spent the evening searching the archives for useful information as
to collecting a representative collection of U. S. roadname (fruit and
vegetable) refrigerator cars FGE, PFE, SFRX, ART? MDT? which would or could
have run into Montreal and now have a pretty good Idea of what I'll need. My
main problem now is which paint schemes available on the various models
would be suitable for 1959. I am not interested in covering all possible cars,
just what reasonably might have made it into Montreal.

A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but does
not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West 4/4
square dreadnaught ends.

If anyone can shed any light on these issues it sure would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Walt

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SP B-50-25 12 panel 40' boxcar with corrected details

Andy Carlson
 

Hello,

I have a package deal which I am offering to anyone reading this post.

Intermountain tooled their 12 panel box car for a Great Northern prototype. After running decorated kits and RTRs in many GN schemes, they offered some SP and T&NO versions. Intermountain did tool up a 3/4 IDE of the configuration the Espee utilized, but overlooked offering a correct pair of doors and also simply reused the GN 12 panel ladders, which are 8 rungs for the sides, are only 7 rungs for the ends (GN bottom step was a drop grab--SP used full 8 rung ladders for their ends).

Both GN and SP 12 panels included Superior doors, which were OK for a few GN numbers, but the larger majority of both RR's 12 panels had Youngstown doors, which Intermountain did not offer.

I have the following supplemented HO Intermountain SP B-50-25 undec box car kits:

#1)  Undec new12 panel kit with the following extras--Red Caboose Rectangular panel 40' AAR roof. One extra sprue of 8-rung ladders to address the short ladders on the ends issue. One pair of the SP/T&NO version of the 3/4 IDE. One Pair of SouthWest Scale Productions 5/5/5 Interim Improved Youngstown doors (The so-called "Overnight" doors). One pair of Barber Lateral Motion Tahoe Model works # 009 50-ton cast steel truck, less wheelsets.

#2) Same as above, but with 5/6/5 SouthWest IYDs.

#3) Same as #1, but with 4/6/6 SouthWest IYD

No decals or couplers are included.

Priced at $27.50, 1st class air mail shipping included. I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee I can also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (Please) for more info. <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Price is $24.50 each supplemented kit--including 1st class shipping.


Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

Charles Hladik
 

Ed,
That may have been the Steam Shack in Rutland, Vermont and probably
made by New England Rail Service. Don Valentine should know and Mal Houck is
probably correct.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division

In a message dated 7/12/2013 3:01:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed_mines@yahoo.com writes:




A hobby shop in New England offered decals for the different colors of
these cars. If I'm not mistaken they said there were also white and/or silver
(aluminium) versions of these cars in addition to orange.

Ed Mines

--- In _STMFC@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com) ,
Indian640@... wrote:

Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars that Borden
transferred from Milk hauling to Elmer's Glue hauling, "Chemical
Division"Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars
that Bord

To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body
on a
black frame.

Mal Houck

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Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

ed_mines
 

A hobby shop in New England offered decals for the different colors of these cars. If I'm not mistaken they said there were also white and/or silver (aluminium) versions of these cars in addition to orange.

Ed Mines

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Indian640@... wrote:

Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars that Borden
transferred from Milk hauling to Elmer's Glue hauling, "Chemical
Division"Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars that Bord

To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on a
black frame.

Mal Houck



Re: CB&Q no. 73 truck

davesnyder59
 

Richard, is this Hi-Tech Details? The rubber airhose/mu people? Also went to your HO truck site that I have and drew a blank screen versus your normal PDF, are there problems? I went there because I remember another truck listed as Hi-Tech on your site, but Hi-Tech Details catalog lists no trucks. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:


On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:14 AM, mumpseee <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

Doing some research on CB&Q 70T cars built in the early 50s shows them riding on their no. 73 truck as shown in the picture on the link:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=765062

These trucks were under the ballast hoppers, offset triple hoppers, and 1958 cuft covered hoppers. To my mostly untrained eye, these look closest to the Proto2000 spring plankless, but the bolster on the 70T version looks wider. Is there a better HO scale choice for these? By the time I am done I will probably need 40 pairs of these and was hoping for something a little closer if possible. Maybe if this type of truck was common enough they could warrant production. Thanks.

Eric, those trucks are a 70 ton AAR self-aligning spring-plankless double truss design. You're right about the bolster end being wider; in fact, the whole trucks is bigger, 5'8" wheelbase as opposed to 5'6" on 50 ton trucks. No one makes an exact duplicate of that truck in HO scale, but the closest equivalent - and it's very close - is the ex-Red Caboose 70 ton Barber S-2 which is in the process of being improved and re-issued by Hi-Tech. It has the triangle snubber pockets inside the ends of the bolsters, which the Q truck does not, but those are subtle and in other respects it represents the Q trucks very well - spring arrangement, bolster end, etc. If you want to pursue getting these trucks in sizable numbers, e-mail me off-list and I'll give you contact information for Hi Tech.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: CB&Q no. 73 truck

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:14 AM, mumpseee <eric.mumper@gmail.com> wrote:

Group,

Doing some research on CB&Q 70T cars built in the early 50s shows them riding on their no. 73 truck as shown in the picture on the link:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=765062

These trucks were under the ballast hoppers, offset triple hoppers, and 1958 cuft covered hoppers. To my mostly untrained eye, these look closest to the Proto2000 spring plankless, but the bolster on the 70T version looks wider. Is there a better HO scale choice for these? By the time I am done I will probably need 40 pairs of these and was hoping for something a little closer if possible. Maybe if this type of truck was common enough they could warrant production. Thanks.

Eric, those trucks are a 70 ton AAR self-aligning spring-plankless double truss design. You're right about the bolster end being wider; in fact, the whole trucks is bigger, 5'8" wheelbase as opposed to 5'6" on 50 ton trucks. No one makes an exact duplicate of that truck in HO scale, but the closest equivalent - and it's very close - is the ex-Red Caboose 70 ton Barber S-2 which is in the process of being improved and re-issued by Hi-Tech. It has the triangle snubber pockets inside the ends of the bolsters, which the Q truck does not, but those are subtle and in other respects it represents the Q trucks very well - spring arrangement, bolster end, etc. If you want to pursue getting these trucks in sizable numbers, e-mail me off-list and I'll give you contact information for Hi Tech.

Richard Hendrickson


CB&Q no. 73 truck

Eric Mumper
 

Group,

Doing some research on CB&Q 70T cars built in the early 50s shows them riding on their no. 73 truck as shown in the picture on the link:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=765062

These trucks were under the ballast hoppers, offset triple hoppers, and 1958 cuft covered hoppers. To my mostly untrained eye, these look closest to the Proto2000 spring plankless, but the bolster on the 70T version looks wider. Is there a better HO scale choice for these? By the time I am done I will probably need 40 pairs of these and was hoping for something a little closer if possible. Maybe if this type of truck was common enough they could warrant production. Thanks.

Eric Mumper
eric.mumper@gmail.com


Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

Malcolm H. Houck
 

Mal Houck Wrote:

"To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on
a black frame.

Mal,

Thanks for the Response, but the Orange or Red cars with Yellow lettering
were for Milk Service. "


Orange Car body
Black frame
Lettered: "The Borden Company
Chemical Division" (left of access door)

Reporting Marks - "BCDX 1006"

"Tare 81820"

Mal Houck


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Tony Thompson
 

Walt Cox wrote:
A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but does not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West 4/4 square dreadnaught ends.
Whether this change was intended to model some specific prototype, I don't know. But if a PFE car is the goal, don't bother. The PFE class with that end was R-40-10, and InterMountain makes an excellent R-40-10 which has correct ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Reefer Roundup revisited

Walter Cox
 

I have spent the evening searching the archives for useful information as
to collecting a representative collection of U. S. roadname (fruit and
vegetable) refrigerator cars FGE, PFE, SFRX, ART? MDT? which would or could
have run into Montreal and now have a pretty good Idea of what I'll need. My
main problem now is which paint schemes available on the various models
would be suitable for 1959. I am not interested in covering all possible cars,
just what reasonably might have made it into Montreal.

A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but does
not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West 4/4
square dreadnaught ends.

If anyone can shed any light on these issues it sure would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Walt


Fw: Atlas O Scale Trainman CPR 52' 6" Steel Flat Car Information

Earl Tuson
 

Is there anyone who might be able to help Andy with his question below? I don't believe he is on this list; please CC
him.

Earl Tuson

1. Atlas O Scale Trainman CPR 52' 6" Steel Flat Car Information
����Posted by: "cnr3304" andym@mlwservices.ca cnr3304
����Date: Wed Jul 10, 2013 8:42 am ((PDT))

Hi All,

I was contacted by an other S Scale manufacturer, Bill Wade of BTS, about the
Atlas O Scale Trainman CPR 52' 6" Steel Flat Car. He says that Atlas claims it
is a CPR prototype that was built in 1953.

Here's the part that has him intrigued. The boards don't go across the car but
go the along the length of the car like a checker board.

If you go to this link, you will see what he means.
http://www.btsrr.com/pix/atlas-flat-orig-deck.jpg

Based on a MM Nov. 2002 aticle, Bill knows this is in fact correct for 99 of 800
and I think he wants to produce this car in S Scale. What Bill would like to
know is what the deck of the other 701 in the series looked like.

Thanks in advance for any help concerning this matter.

cheers,

Andy Malette


Museum display engineering help

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Could someone on the STMFC with appropriate engineering credentials help me design a rack to display 10 or 12 steam era freight car hand brakes for a museum display? Please contact me directly. Don't discuss on STMFC.
Gene Green


Re: 1923 NYC Box Cars

MDelvec952
 

Yes, you're right, Richard, all were delivered with Youngstown doors. I do have pictures of cars with five- and six-panel Superior doors, thought he six-panel doors are far more common.

Thanks ....Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 10, 2013 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 1923 NYC Box Cars




On Jul 10, 2013, at 12:30 PM, MDelvec952@aol.com wrote:

I have good photos of these cars, ends, sides, roof and even the undersides. Lackawanna got 'em with both Youngstown and Superior doors and the cars wore all three DL&W paint schemes. They were not common after the 1960 Erie merger, and no pictures have surfaced of any painted for EL.
One correction, Mike. All the cars were delivered with Youngstown corrugated doors. The Superior 6 panel doors didn't begin to replace the corrugated doors until the mid-1950s.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

James Fellows
 

You may want to try posting to the two milk train groups on yahoo. Neither
are very active, but once something is posted the reposes are generally
pretty quick.



Jim Fellows



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
erict1361
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 8:55 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?







Mal Houck Wrote:

To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on a
black frame.

Mal,

Thanks for the Response, but the Orange or Red cars with Yellow lettering
were for Milk Service.

All,
I did more research and did find a PSC Brass model on line painted Silver
with a Black Frame in Chemical Division lettering. My concern is that this
model has No End fins. As far as I know only the Top Fin part was removed
from most all of the cars for the WW II war effort. I was only able to find
Two Chemical Division Photos On Line. One in All White and One All Blue. So
I am Not sure if this Silver car is correct or not? I found another
interesting find, Some early car photos show valve piping and valves on both
ends of the car, later photos so it only on the "B" end ? I assume these
valves controled the release of the products from the tanks, not pressure
since milk should not have expansion pressure. I do know that the First
series cars had the Brake Wheel housing separate from the Tank and later
builds had it mounted on the tank. Looks like Ureco, Ajax and Miner brakes
were used.

Eric Thur


To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on
a
black frame.

Mal Houck



Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Mal Houck Wrote:

To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on a black frame.

Mal,

Thanks for the Response, but the Orange or Red cars with Yellow lettering were for Milk Service.

All,
I did more research and did find a PSC Brass model on line painted Silver with a Black Frame in Chemical Division lettering. My concern is that this model has No End fins. As far as I know only the Top Fin part was removed from most all of the cars for the WW II war effort. I was only able to find Two Chemical Division Photos On Line. One in All White and One All Blue. So I am Not sure if this Silver car is correct or not? I found another interesting find, Some early car photos show valve piping and valves on both ends of the car, later photos so it only on the "B" end ? I assume these valves controled the release of the products from the tanks, not pressure since milk should not have expansion pressure. I do know that the First series cars had the Brake Wheel housing separate from the Tank and later builds had it mounted on the tank. Looks like Ureco, Ajax and Miner brakes were used.


Eric Thur


To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on a
black frame.

Mal Houck

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Re: Georgia & Florida Hoppers

Marty McGuirk
 

Thanks to all for the replies.

Marty

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Marty

From those specs the cars sound like 4-bay offset-side ARA hoppers,
originally 70 ton cars.

Tim O'Connor



"I stumbled across a listing for an ORER for my prototype that shows some hopper cars that were previously unknown to me. There doesn't seem to be any readily available photos of these units, so I'm trying to figure out as much as possible from the information given.

It lists the cars as being 40'5" inside length, 50 ton, 2755 cubic foot capacity open hoppers. But that is the only information given. These were apparently second hand cars from some source.

Thanks in advance,
Marty

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