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Re: ACL yellow ventilated box car

Ray Breyer
 

Anyone know where I can get info on the painting of this car? Such as roof,
ends and underbody, were they black or yellow or ? I have only seen one photo
of the yellow cars and can not locate same at this time.
Thanks
Ron Morse
Hi Ron,


I've got about a dozen different photos of these cars in yellow paint; I'll send them to you off list in a couple of minutes.

Essentially, the cars have all yellow bodies, boxcar brown roofs, and "grunge" underframes and trucks. Keep in mind that at least according to the ACF builder's photo collection, the road switched to brown bodies in 1911 (same lettering standards though; looks like they didn't significantly change the lettering until 1927).

Regards,

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Coupler droop

hvyweight41
 

Background:I received a large lot of Athearn blue box rolling stock from my father. He's had these for years and decided he'd never build or run them. They all have hook and horn couplers. I want to replace them with Kadee couplers. I tried a set and there seems to be bit of vertical play, aka droop, in the draft box. What is the standard for droop, if any? What are the best methods for correcting out of tolerance couplers? I do have the Kadee coupler gauge and an NMRA gauge.
I've done some research and the options seems to range from replacing the draft boxes to shimming the opening with strip styrene.
Thanks,
Keith Kempster
Jacksonville, FL


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

WaltGCox@...
 

Thanks Bill, I kind of suspected that.
Walt

In a message dated 7/12/2013 9:15:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
fgexbill@... writes:




Neither of the IM PFE models is correct for WFE.

Bill Welch






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Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Bill Welch
 

Neither of the IM PFE models is correct for WFE.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., WaltGCox@... wrote:

That thank you was sent prematurely. All that information was helpful. As
far as PFE cars are concerned if I could get a handle on when the dual color
herald, black and white herald, overland, and modern gothic lettering
schemes came into use that would take care of PFE's R40-10 & R40-23.

It would also help to know when the MDT cars changed from white to
yellow,(or yellow to white) and whether or not Intermountain's R40-23 is correct
for MDT and WFE and if their R40-10 is correct for ART and WFE.


In a message dated 7/11/2013 11:59:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tony@... writes:




Walt Cox wrote:
A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but
does not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West
4/4 square dreadnaught ends.
Whether this change was intended to model some specific prototype, I don't
know. But if a PFE car is the goal, don't bother. The PFE class with that
end was R-40-10, and InterMountain makes an excellent R-40-10 which has
correct ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _tony@..._
(mailto:tony@...)
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Tony Thompson
 

How late into the 50's was it reasonable to see the color UP emblem on a PFE reefer?
Photos show by the mid-1950s that a large majority of PFE cars had the black-white scheme. The shops must have been very focussed in the early 1950s on updating the paint schemes. But of course some cars can escape notice, even in an operation like PFE where EVERY car went through a PFE shop when returning from EVERY trip. Then if you choose to model the color UP emblem, the problem is, in say, 1958 or 59, that you are modeling an oddity or a rarity. I guess I would be uncomfortable, if it were my modeling, to include a color UP emblem after 1956 or 57.
Others on the list may have different opinions, and if so, please chime in.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

James Fellows
 

Tony,



How late into the 50's was it reasonable to see the color UP emblem on a PFE
reefer?



Thanks,



Jim Fellows



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Thompson
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 8:14 PM
To: STMFC@...
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Walt Cox wrote:
That thank you was sent prematurely. All that information was helpful. As
far as PFE cars are concerned if I could get a handle on when the dual color
herald, black and white herald, overland, and modern gothic lettering
schemes came into use that would take care of PFE's R40-10 & R40-23.
The dual emblem scheme with color UP medallion was instituted in 1946, and
the R-40-23 cars were so delivered. The black and white UP emblem was
introduced in 1950, and "gothic" in 1960.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
<mailto:tony%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Industry Magazines of the 1950s?

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Chapman wrote:
My paternal Granddad was a conductor on the northeast Iowa electric road WCF&N for nearly four decades. As a small fry, as I recall anyway, at his home I flipped through many railroad industry magazines, mags that were large format, similar in size to Look and Life magazines of the era.

I do not recall the names of any of these publications but am hoping someone here might recall titles. I wonder if one of them wasn't an AAR publication. . . .
Only large-format mag I can recall is Modern Railroads.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Industry Magazines of the 1950s?

Brian <cornbeltroute@...>
 

My paternal Granddad was a conductor on the northeast Iowa electric road WCF&N for nearly four decades. As a small fry, as I recall anyway, at his home I flipped through many railroad industry magazines, mags that were large format, similar in size to Look and Life magazines of the era.

I do not recall the names of any of these publications but am hoping someone here might recall titles. I wonder if one of them wasn't an AAR publication. . . .

Thanks much,

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Tony Thompson
 

Walt Cox wrote:
That thank you was sent prematurely. All that information was helpful. As far as PFE cars are concerned if I could get a handle on when the dual color herald, black and white herald, overland, and modern gothic lettering schemes came into use that would take care of PFE's R40-10 & R40-23.
The dual emblem scheme with color UP medallion was instituted in 1946, and the R-40-23 cars were so delivered. The black and white UP emblem was introduced in 1950, and "gothic" in 1960.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

WaltGCox@...
 

That thank you was sent prematurely. All that information was helpful. As
far as PFE cars are concerned if I could get a handle on when the dual color
herald, black and white herald, overland, and modern gothic lettering
schemes came into use that would take care of PFE's R40-10 & R40-23.

It would also help to know when the MDT cars changed from white to
yellow,(or yellow to white) and whether or not Intermountain's R40-23 is correct
for MDT and WFE and if their R40-10 is correct for ART and WFE.

In a message dated 7/11/2013 11:59:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tony@... writes:




Walt Cox wrote:
A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but
does not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West
4/4 square dreadnaught ends.
Whether this change was intended to model some specific prototype, I don't
know. But if a PFE car is the goal, don't bother. The PFE class with that
end was R-40-10, and InterMountain makes an excellent R-40-10 which has
correct ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _tony@...
(mailto:tony@...)
Publishers of books on railroad history

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ACL yellow ventilated box car

Ron Morse
 

Anyone know where I can get info on the painting of this car? Such as roof, ends and underbody, were they black or yellow or ? I have only seen one photo of the yellow cars and can not locate same at this time.
Thanks
Ron Morse
O Scale in Springfield,MO


Re: CB&Q no. 73 truck

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 12, 2013, at 10:56 AM, davesnyder59 <davesnyder59@...> wrote:

Richard, is this Hi-Tech Details? The rubber airhose/mu people? Also went to your HO truck site that I have and drew a blank screen versus your normal PDF, are there problems? I went there because I remember another truck listed as Hi-Tech on your site, but Hi-Tech Details catalog lists no trucks. TIA.
Yes, it is Hi-Tech Details, AKA Jimmy Booth. It isn't in their catalog yet because Jimmy is doing some work on the dies, but he has the original RC dies and certainly intends to re-introduce that truck.

With regard to my HO Freight Car Trucks article, the original version went away when I post a revised version which, unfortunately, requires a new address: ttps://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wcjJWcENpaDJYbUU/edit?pli=1. Or see Tony Thompson's e-mail citing the address for it on his blog.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

WaltGCox@...
 

Thanks to all who replied to my original

In a message dated 7/11/2013 11:59:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
tony@... writes:




Walt Cox wrote:
A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but
does not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West
4/4 square dreadnaught ends.
Whether this change was intended to model some specific prototype, I don't
know. But if a PFE car is the goal, don't bother. The PFE class with that
end was R-40-10, and InterMountain makes an excellent R-40-10 which has
correct ends.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _tony@...
(mailto:tony@...)
Publishers of books on railroad history

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Hendrickson truck update [Was: CB&Q no. 73 truck]

Tony Thompson
 

Dave Snyder wrote:
Richard, is this Hi-Tech Details? The rubber airhose/mu people? Also went to your HO truck site that I have and drew a blank screen versus your normal PDF, are there problems? I went there because I remember another truck listed as Hi-Tech on your site, but Hi-Tech Details catalog lists no trucks. TIA.
This is kind of my fault, because my upload to Google Drive did not quite work right. However, Richard Hendrickson has again updated and made minor changes to his article on HO scale model freight car trucks. An added feature is the inclusion of the new Tahoe Model Works Barber S-2 truck with Spring Plank, a truck SP (and other roads) liked and applied to a number of classes of freight cars. You can access Richard's article through this link to my blog:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/07/another-update-to-richard-hendricksons.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reefer Roundup revisited

Bill Welch
 

Walt, I am not sure if this responsive to your question or not.

I have been fortunate to assemble a collection of Perishable Schedules for the L&N, SRR, ACL and SAL. Here is what I have gleaned from these for perishables headed to Montreal. These three schedules are for the 1948-49 season.

On the Southern for their #56 leaving Jacksonville on Tuesday at 5 PM it would arrive at Potomac Yard at 6 AM on Thursday. The B&O left Pot Yard with the train at 10 AM the same day and eventually three trains would arrive in Montreal with Florida Perishables.
1. 9:30 PM on Saturday via the B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CN
2. 10 PM on Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-NH-CV-CN
3. 5 AM Sunday B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CP

On the ACL with their Train ACD-10 leaving Jacksonville on Tuesday at 8:45 AM this block of perishables would be brought into Pot Yard by the RF&P on Thursday. Six trains ultimately bound for Montreal proceeded thusly.
1. Arriving 5 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CP
2. Arriving 11:30 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CN
3. Arriving 11:45 PM Saturday via PRR-NH-CV-CN
4. Arriving 11:45 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-NH-CV-CN
5. Arriving 11:30 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CN
6. Arriving 5 AM Sunday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CP

The SAL named train "The Marketer" left Jacksonville on Tuesdays at 4:30 PM scheduled to reach Pot Yard via the RF&P 11:59 PM on Wednesday. Five trains took the perishables to Montreal.
1. Arriving 9:30 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CN
2. Arriving 4 PM Saturday via PRR-D&H-CP
3. Arriving 10 PM Saturday via PRR-NH-CV-CN
4. Arriving 11:30 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-D&H-CN
5. Arriving 10 PM Saturday via B&O-Rdg-CNJ-NH-CV-CN

The refrigerator cars would course been randomly from the Fruit Growers Express/Western Fruit Express/Burlington Refrigerator Express System. I tell people the approximate ratio of car ownership was FGE-15/WFE-7-8/BRE-2 that is perhaps a point of departure for a mixture of reporting marks. Including a random ART, PFE, MDT, NWX, SFRD car or cars would be appropriate.

Hope this helps.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., WaltGCox@... wrote:

I have spent the evening searching the archives for useful information as
to collecting a representative collection of U. S. roadname (fruit and
vegetable) refrigerator cars FGE, PFE, SFRX, ART? MDT? which would or could
have run into Montreal and now have a pretty good Idea of what I'll need. My
main problem now is which paint schemes available on the various models
would be suitable for 1959. I am not interested in covering all possible cars,
just what reasonably might have made it into Montreal.

A secondary question was posed in the Reefer Roundup back in 2007 but does
not seem to have been answered. It concerned what might have been the
beginning of a prototypical model using an Athearn reefer and Details West 4/4
square dreadnaught ends.

If anyone can shed any light on these issues it sure would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Walt

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SP B-50-25 12 panel 40' boxcar with corrected details

Andy Carlson
 

Hello,

I have a package deal which I am offering to anyone reading this post.

Intermountain tooled their 12 panel box car for a Great Northern prototype. After running decorated kits and RTRs in many GN schemes, they offered some SP and T&NO versions. Intermountain did tool up a 3/4 IDE of the configuration the Espee utilized, but overlooked offering a correct pair of doors and also simply reused the GN 12 panel ladders, which are 8 rungs for the sides, are only 7 rungs for the ends (GN bottom step was a drop grab--SP used full 8 rung ladders for their ends).

Both GN and SP 12 panels included Superior doors, which were OK for a few GN numbers, but the larger majority of both RR's 12 panels had Youngstown doors, which Intermountain did not offer.

I have the following supplemented HO Intermountain SP B-50-25 undec box car kits:

#1)  Undec new12 panel kit with the following extras--Red Caboose Rectangular panel 40' AAR roof. One extra sprue of 8-rung ladders to address the short ladders on the ends issue. One pair of the SP/T&NO version of the 3/4 IDE. One Pair of SouthWest Scale Productions 5/5/5 Interim Improved Youngstown doors (The so-called "Overnight" doors). One pair of Barber Lateral Motion Tahoe Model works # 009 50-ton cast steel truck, less wheelsets.

#2) Same as above, but with 5/6/5 SouthWest IYDs.

#3) Same as #1, but with 4/6/6 SouthWest IYD

No decals or couplers are included.

Priced at $27.50, 1st class air mail shipping included. I accept checks and money orders. For a small fee I can also accept PayPal. Contact me off-list (Please) for more info. <midcentury@...>
Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

Price is $24.50 each supplemented kit--including 1st class shipping.


Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

Charles Hladik
 

Ed,
That may have been the Steam Shack in Rutland, Vermont and probably
made by New England Rail Service. Don Valentine should know and Mal Houck is
probably correct.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division

In a message dated 7/12/2013 3:01:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ed_mines@... writes:




A hobby shop in New England offered decals for the different colors of
these cars. If I'm not mistaken they said there were also white and/or silver
(aluminium) versions of these cars in addition to orange.

Ed Mines

--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) ,
Indian640@... wrote:

Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars that Borden
transferred from Milk hauling to Elmer's Glue hauling, "Chemical
Division"Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars
that Bord

To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body
on a
black frame.

Mal Houck

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Re: Borden " Butter Dish" Chemical Tank cars White Only?

ed_mines
 

A hobby shop in New England offered decals for the different colors of these cars. If I'm not mistaken they said there were also white and/or silver (aluminium) versions of these cars in addition to orange.

Ed Mines

--- In STMFC@..., Indian640@... wrote:

Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars that Borden
transferred from Milk hauling to Elmer's Glue hauling, "Chemical
Division"Would Anyone know if any of the "Butter Dish" Milk Tank cars that Bord

To my knowledge, they were at one time painted with a orange tank body on a
black frame.

Mal Houck



Re: CB&Q no. 73 truck

davesnyder59
 

Richard, is this Hi-Tech Details? The rubber airhose/mu people? Also went to your HO truck site that I have and drew a blank screen versus your normal PDF, are there problems? I went there because I remember another truck listed as Hi-Tech on your site, but Hi-Tech Details catalog lists no trucks. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:


On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:14 AM, mumpseee <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

Doing some research on CB&Q 70T cars built in the early 50s shows them riding on their no. 73 truck as shown in the picture on the link:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=765062

These trucks were under the ballast hoppers, offset triple hoppers, and 1958 cuft covered hoppers. To my mostly untrained eye, these look closest to the Proto2000 spring plankless, but the bolster on the 70T version looks wider. Is there a better HO scale choice for these? By the time I am done I will probably need 40 pairs of these and was hoping for something a little closer if possible. Maybe if this type of truck was common enough they could warrant production. Thanks.

Eric, those trucks are a 70 ton AAR self-aligning spring-plankless double truss design. You're right about the bolster end being wider; in fact, the whole trucks is bigger, 5'8" wheelbase as opposed to 5'6" on 50 ton trucks. No one makes an exact duplicate of that truck in HO scale, but the closest equivalent - and it's very close - is the ex-Red Caboose 70 ton Barber S-2 which is in the process of being improved and re-issued by Hi-Tech. It has the triangle snubber pockets inside the ends of the bolsters, which the Q truck does not, but those are subtle and in other respects it represents the Q trucks very well - spring arrangement, bolster end, etc. If you want to pursue getting these trucks in sizable numbers, e-mail me off-list and I'll give you contact information for Hi Tech.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: CB&Q no. 73 truck

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 12, 2013, at 6:14 AM, mumpseee <eric.mumper@...> wrote:

Group,

Doing some research on CB&Q 70T cars built in the early 50s shows them riding on their no. 73 truck as shown in the picture on the link:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=765062

These trucks were under the ballast hoppers, offset triple hoppers, and 1958 cuft covered hoppers. To my mostly untrained eye, these look closest to the Proto2000 spring plankless, but the bolster on the 70T version looks wider. Is there a better HO scale choice for these? By the time I am done I will probably need 40 pairs of these and was hoping for something a little closer if possible. Maybe if this type of truck was common enough they could warrant production. Thanks.

Eric, those trucks are a 70 ton AAR self-aligning spring-plankless double truss design. You're right about the bolster end being wider; in fact, the whole trucks is bigger, 5'8" wheelbase as opposed to 5'6" on 50 ton trucks. No one makes an exact duplicate of that truck in HO scale, but the closest equivalent - and it's very close - is the ex-Red Caboose 70 ton Barber S-2 which is in the process of being improved and re-issued by Hi-Tech. It has the triangle snubber pockets inside the ends of the bolsters, which the Q truck does not, but those are subtle and in other respects it represents the Q trucks very well - spring arrangement, bolster end, etc. If you want to pursue getting these trucks in sizable numbers, e-mail me off-list and I'll give you contact information for Hi Tech.

Richard Hendrickson

78661 - 78680 of 195639