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True Line 8 hatch reefers.

Bill McCoy
 

One of the road names offered on the CN type 8 hatch reefer was GTW so they must have had a significant presence in Michigan.

On the subject of True Line 8 hatch cars, did the CP plug door version ever make it to market?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Robert kirkham
 

thanks for posting these links Elden - enjoyed looking around the collection. Even found the necessary NP boxcar!

Rob Kirkham

-----Original Message-----
From: Gatwood, Elden SAW
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Door? Door? So, now you want a door?

So, here's a door....

Elden Gatwood

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375190442;subview=detail;resnum=4638;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-200907.1957.10021;viewid=20121127-HPICASC-0125.TIF


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "midrly" <lucas@...> wrote:


The CPR Lyndonville Sub. was 64 miles of former B&M from Newport to Wells River, VT, and an "odd duck" on the CPR system. Among other things, it was signalled using US&S double-armed Style B semaphores similar to those used by SP, DL&W and NYO&W. This brought into play "Overlap Block" ABS operating rules on this line. Nowhere else on the CPR system were these signals used.

I'll chime in about the model being of a Canadian design of snow plow built in the 1920's--which means that the retail price of this model probably just at least doubled!

Steve Lucas.

BUT.......just as they were replaced on the rest of the B&M's
Connecticut River lines, those on the CPR Lyndonville Sub. were replaced by GRS searchlight signals in the post WW II years though I am uncertaain as to the exact date. Those GRS signals remained in use
until the CPR gave up the line and are now slowly being removed under ownership by the State of Vermont with a designated operator running the line.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Color for Bangor and Aroostook box car

al_brown03
 

Forgot to say if I were modelling one of these cars in service, I'd just paint it Floquil BCR and weather from there. The photos show several subtly different shades of weathered paint.

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Most of the photos in Sweetland and Horsley, "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", pp 9-15, suggest that the color is a mainstream BCR. I could be convinced that newly-painted cars had an Oxide tinge.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: True Line Trains CP Mini-Box

atsfnut <michaelEGross@...>
 

I have one on order from a dealer in Halifax, but have heard nothing from him, as yet.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
La Canada, CA

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Not to my knowledge.
Not sure what the delay is.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Has the CP mini-box been released by TrueLine and is it being handled by any US dealers? Klein doesn't show it.

Thanks,
Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:
Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.
I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:
This question has already received appropriate response but had me wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".
Meat, of course, was one important cargo. As it happens, I have just finished weathering a TLT 8-hatch reefer and have written about in a blog post. But not just because of the prototype, though that's relevant, but because of a connection to my teenage modeling days. If you're interested, it's at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/07/canadian-reefers-with-overhead-hatches.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


St. Louis RPM Thursday Events

golden1014
 

Friends,
 
For those of you arriving early to the St. Louis area for this weekend’s St. Louis RPM meet, we have two events happening on Thursday, Aug 1st. First, the Litchfield Train Group is having an open house for RPM attendees from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m.The club has a large HO scale layout, 44' x 50’, Digitrax DCC, 90% scenicked, set in the 1960s Midwest (although models of all eras are run at times).The layout is located in the Ameriprise Financial building downtown at 510 N. State Street, Litchfield, Il. 62056.Litchfield is about 45 minutes from the Gateway Center in Collinsville, IL. If you have any questions please contact Lonnie Bathurst at (217) 556-0314.
Second, we are hosting our annual, informal BBQ dinner at Bandana’s BBQ, located at 4 Commerce Drive, Collinsville, IL, right next to the Gateway Center. We have 30 seats reserved and the meal is pay-as-you-go.Arrival is at 6:00 p.m. and we can stay as long as we want to BS and harrass the waitresses--or get harrassed by the waitresses, as often happens...
Remember, we will have three home layouts open on Friday evening after the dinner hour.The layouts are all in the beautiful St. Charles area in the western St. Louis suburbs.John Russell’s O-scale Rock Island transition-era layout, Ron Schlueter’s HO-scale 1956-era D&RGW Tennessee Pass layout (featuring actual areas on the pass), and Bill Wehmeier HO scale M-K-T late 1960s Kansas City layout (featured in Great Model Railroads, 2006) will be open from 7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. for registered attendees.You do not need to register for these layout visits.Maps will be available at the meet on Friday.If you do not wish to visit the home layouts, the RPM room at the Gateway Center will be open until 9:00 p.m. for shopping and BS-ing.
Also, late-breaking news—The Terminal Railroad Association Historical & Technical Society is providing a gift for the first 150 attendees at the meet.Thanks to our friend Larry Thomas of the TRRA Historical Society for his generosity!You can read more about the TRRA HS at trra-hts.railfan.net.
Thanks, and we’ll see you in St. Louis! 
Signed,
Loren Casey
Clark Propst
John Golden
Dan Kohlberg
Lonnie Bathurst

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Re: Replacement medal wheel ssets

Andy Miller
 

He wants to use award winning wheelset!



I recommend Intermountain. The work beautifully in Accurail or Bowser
truck frames.



Regards,



Andy Miller



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Hunter, James R.
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:03 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Replacement medal wheel ssets





medal?

Quoting Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...
<mailto:rhendrickson%40opendoor.com> >:

On Jul 29, 2013, at 7:07 PM, larry <mrprksr@...
<mailto:mrprksr%40bellsouth.net> > wrote:

I have several accurail cars I'm finally getting around to detailing
and I am finding that Kadee #520 wheels are kinda snug (the axle is
too long)...Question is what are you fellowa using in these
trucks.....Thanks.....Larry Mennie
Larry, Northwest Shot Line semi-scale wheel sets, my usual
replacement for code 110 wheel sets, roll very freely in Accurail
trucks.

Richard Hendrickson






Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers; was True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

midrly
 

I recall that some Canadian meat products found their way into the US back then, fish being one that I recall. Perhaps Kosher product for New York City? I was told that the NYC had some Kosher traffic ex Chicago.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:




--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered
hopper? Did they ever come to the US?


This question has already received appropriate response but had me wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

midrly
 

The CPR Lyndonville Sub. was 64 miles of former B&M from Newport to Wells River, VT, and an "odd duck" on the CPR system. Among other things, it was signalled using US&S double-armed Style B semaphores similar to those used by SP, DL&W and NYO&W. This brought into play "Overlap Block" ABS operating rules on this line. Nowhere else on the CPR system were these signals used.

I'll chime in about the model being of a Canadian design of snow plow built in the 1920's--which means that the retail price of this model probably just at least doubled!

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., "John C. La Rue, Jr." <MOFWCABOOSE@> wrote:


Definitely a Canadian design built in large numbers by Eastern Car Company, but also by Dominion Car Company and National Steel Car Company.

Not seen in the US except at Brownsville Junction, Maine, where the Canadian Pacific crossed the Bangor and Aroostook - there were always at least two there. Most CN and CP subsidiaries in the US used American-built Russell snowplows

On the Canadian National the cars were usually freight car brown with white lettering. After the era of this list, they were repainted orange.

On the Canadian Pacific the cars were black with the blade and the rear end, and sometimes the cupola ends, painted bright red, with white lettering.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

You are forgetting about the former B&M line to Wells River, VT, John, otherwise known as the Lyndonville Subdivision, where one was also used. Have photos of it at Newport, VT.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

midrly
 

These cars were a predecessor of the Canadian cylindrical covered hoppers still on the rails today, a large number being built and paid for by the Canadian government when CN and CP refused to invest in new cars to haul grain in the 1970's. The "Crow rate" of 1/2 cent CDN per ton mile for much Canadian grain traffic discouraged investment in new rolling stock for this traffic from the 1950's on.

Which brings us back to STMFC's, because I hear those Moderator Jail cell doors creaking...

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., cwilson@... wrote:

Since you asked here is a link: http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/cp/cp387167ajs.jpg

But this is straying outside the guidelines as the tank hoppers were built after 1960.

CW

--- In STMFC@..., thetrainman00@ wrote:

Hi,

Tank hoppers is a new one on me. Can anyone share a photo of one. Thanks
in advance.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf


Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers; was True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

Bryan Busséy
 

Both the CN slab side hoppers and CN eight-hatch reefers traveled
regularly to all of the New England states. They were common in NYNH&H
freight consists and were seen in and passing through New Haven (the
city). I assume they traveled on to both New York and Maybrook to
interchange with additional roads, but I haven't researched it to that
extent. I haven't seen any evidence that the CP counterparts traveled
New Haven rails. But it stands to reason that they must have, albeit
less frequently than the CN cars. Since the eight-hatch reefers were
used to carry so many specialized environment-sensitive commodities and
not just goods requiring refrigeration, they must have traveled to all
corners of the continent.

bb

On 7/30/2013 8:29 AM, Don wrote:



--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>,
"Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered
hopper? Did they ever come to the US?
This question has already received appropriate response but had me
wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers
also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a
railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least
the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed
in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how
far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be
documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As
we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper now CP Mini-Box

midrly
 

Tony, US roads' cars were loaded with grain in Canada as well.

The CN Tiffin elevator in Midland, Ontario received 333,000 bushels of 2Y corn ex steamer Philip Minch on 11 April, 1942. This was shipped out as follows, these being just a FEW examples--

1 April, 1943--1500 bushels--MILW 711745
10 April, 1943--2000 bushels--SP 27479
10 April, 1943--1500 bushels--CB&Q 13216
23 June, 1943--1930.1 bushels--ATSF 137779
25 June, 1943--2000 bushels--UP 183874 and UP 181730
28 June, 1943--2000 bushels--SP 97488

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:
Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.
I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Color for Bangor and Aroostook box car

al_brown03
 

Most of the photos in Sweetland and Horsley, "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", pp 9-15, suggest that the color is a mainstream BCR. I could be convinced that newly-painted cars had an Oxide tinge.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@...> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Color for Bangor and Aroostook box car

Ken Roth
 

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Door? Door? So, now you want a door?

So, here's a door....

Elden Gatwood

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375190442;subview=detail;resnum=4638;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-200907.1957.10021;viewid=20121127-HPICASC-0125.TIF





--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "moonmuln" <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375121394;subview=detail;resnum=4639;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-200907.1957.10022;viewid=20121127-HPICASC-0126.TIF

Well, I'd like to know what happened to the door.

And some modelers probably want to know what kind of brake wheel it has.

Seriously, are you sure it's being loaded? My impression is that the setup looks like unloading.

Jack Mullen
Well, I can answer that. My Dad (who worked for a lumber yard during the thirties) told me how they dealt with doors that were jammed because the load had shifted against them... They'd back a truck up to the door, perpendicular to the track, wedge the hooks of a couple chains behind the edges of the door, and hook the chains to the truck. Then they'd drive straight away from the car; when the slack ran out, the door popped off the side of the car. When they'd finished unloading, they'd throw the door into the empty car for the railroad to deal with.

Which is why I say the car is being UNloaded... no sense loading a car that's going to the RIP track.

Dennis





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Caveats: NONE


Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers; was True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered
hopper? Did they ever come to the US?


This question has already received appropriate response but had me wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: True Line Trains CP Mini-Box

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Not to my knowledge.
Not sure what the delay is.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:

Has the CP mini-box been released by TrueLine and is it being handled by any US dealers? Klein doesn't show it.

Thanks,
Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:
Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.
I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

Armand Premo
 

I am well aware that they have noting (sic) to do with the Canadian covered hoppers.My response was to a post who had never heard of "tank hoppers".Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper



On Jul 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Armand Premo <armprem2@...> wrote:
> Barrett (Tarvia) a division of Allied Chemical had hopper bottom tank cars for shipping roofing material.Looked pretty much like an ordinary tank car,but with hoppers.They may have been converted tank cars.
>
The Barrett cars were converted from GATC tank cars built in the 1920s. But they have noting to do with the Canadian covered hoppers that are under discussion here.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: True Line Trains CP Mini-Box

Bill McCoy
 

Has the CP mini-box been released by TrueLine and is it being handled by any US dealers? Klein doesn't show it.

Thanks,
Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:
Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.
I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







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