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Re: True Line 8 hatch reefers.

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

I stand corrected.
100 were built in '55 for the GTW.
Life lesson, check multiple sources.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "brian" <brianleppert@...> wrote:

Pierre, they were built in 1955. See Jan. 1996 RMC.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Well there's a giant leap of faith if I ever saw one.
Just because TLT had them painted, doesn't mean they are correct.
In fact I just had a quick look in my 53 ORER and it shows no 40' overhead bunker reefers for GTW. IN fact it shows no 40' reefers at all.
I welcome any correction of my reading of the ORER.
Pierre Oliver


Re: True Line 8 hatch reefers.

midrly
 

It did, but those not pre-ordered appear to have flown off the shelves quickly. I lucked out to get one, but had to backdate the herald from the script lettering to "stepped". The model is of a specific 1954 200-car order from National Steel Car with "NSC-2" ends.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:

One of the road names offered on the CN type 8 hatch reefer was GTW so they must have had a significant presence in Michigan.

On the subject of True Line 8 hatch cars, did the CP plug door version ever make it to market?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


Re: DT&I 16000-16199 and 16200-16263

soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "r_eric_lombard" <elombard@...> wrote:

4. Of random interest... know of any other box car series with asymmetrical side patterns?

Thanks in advance!
Eric
It's THAT uncommon. The Soo Line had a series of forty eight 50' steel cars built in 1936 (and pictured in the 1940 CBC, IIRC). As built, they had six foot wide doors, when rebuilt in the fifties with 8' doors, only one door post was moved, so the doors were slightly off center.

Dennis


Re: True Line 8 hatch reefers.

brianleppert@att.net
 

Pierre, they were built in 1955. See Jan. 1996 RMC.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Well there's a giant leap of faith if I ever saw one.
Just because TLT had them painted, doesn't mean they are correct.
In fact I just had a quick look in my 53 ORER and it shows no 40' overhead bunker reefers for GTW. IN fact it shows no 40' reefers at all.
I welcome any correction of my reading of the ORER.
Pierre Oliver


Re: Color for Bangor and Aroostook box car

Ken Roth
 

Thanks Al! That will work. Mine won't be newly painted.

Ken Roth

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Forgot to say if I were modelling one of these cars in service, I'd just paint it Floquil BCR and weather from there. The photos show several subtly different shades of weathered paint.

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@> wrote:

Most of the photos in Sweetland and Horsley, "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", pp 9-15, suggest that the color is a mainstream BCR. I could be convinced that newly-painted cars had an Oxide tinge.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thank you to all who responded,

Don Valentine


MILW rib side dd boxcar color

Brad Andonian
 

Gents,

Back again... AS I wish to get these cars done right, please advise the paint color/shade to use.

Brass is prepped and ready to paint!

Thank you,
Brad Andonian


Re: True Line 8 hatch reefers.

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Well there's a giant leap of faith if I ever saw one.
Just because TLT had them painted, doesn't mean they are correct.
In fact I just had a quick look in my 53 ORER and it shows no 40' overhead bunker reefers for GTW. IN fact it shows no 40' reefers at all.
I welcome any correction of my reading of the ORER.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:

One of the road names offered on the CN type 8 hatch reefer was GTW so they must have had a significant presence in Michigan.

On the subject of True Line 8 hatch cars, did the CP plug door version ever make it to market?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


DT&I 16000-16199 and 16200-16263

Eric Lombard
 

In 1953, 200 ATSF 50' cars rebuilt '36-'38 were renumbered out of several series to DT&I 16000-16199. For the DT&I cars, the ORER indicates IH = 11-8 until 1956, then IH = 10-3 as the ATSF-installed roof extensions were removed. Photos of cars as early as 1955 show this height reduction.

64 cars were RENO to DT&I 16200-16263 as rebuilt to IH 10-3 in 1956. The 1957 DT&I equipment diagram (page 7-12) for these cars indicates in Note 2: "car sides are not symmetrical - in that doors on left side are closer to car CL by 3'-0 1/2"." The diagram clearly shows the asymmetry. The effect is to shift the door opening one side sheet to the right on the left side of the car resulting in a different side sheet pattern on the right and left sides (colons represent rivets on sheet seams):
right | : : : [ | ] : : : : : : |
left | : : : : [ | ] : : : : : |
Published photos show both side sheet patterns (and drove me nuts until I found the small print in the diagram).

Some help from the group with the following would be most welcome:

1. All published photos I have seen of the cars in their ATSF years show the side sheet pattern indicated for the right side above suggesting (probabilistically) that the asymmetry is unique to the DT&I. Is there evidence to the contrary?

2. Were the 64 cars in DT&I 16200-16263 the only rebuilds with the asymmetry? Or, were some or all cars still in 16000-16199 also rebuilt to asymmetrical side patterns when the IH was lowered for 11-8 to 10-3?

3. All copies of the 1957 DT&I equipment diagram book available to me are missing page 7-11 for the series 16000-16199. I would be grateful if someone could provide me with a copy of this page (or better a pdf of a complete DT&I equipment diagram book for the late 1950s or early 1960s.

4. Of random interest... know of any other box car series with asymmetrical side patterns?

Thanks in advance!
Eric


Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:
Well, I can answer that. My Dad (who worked for a lumber yard during the thirties) told me how they dealt with doors that were jammed because the load had shifted against them... They'd back a truck up to the door, perpendicular to the track, wedge the hooks of a couple chains behind the edges of the door, and hook the chains to the truck. Then they'd drive straight away from the car; when the slack ran out, the door popped off the side of the car. When they'd finished unloading, they'd throw the door into the empty car for the railroad to deal with.

I had the misfortune to unload a 40 ft PS1 box car full of bags of charcoal on the hottest day in the summer. My employer opened the stuck door by wedging a 2X4 between the edge on the door and the grill of his truck and pushing with the truck. They must have used a similar movement to close the door.

Coming home on the bus my face was blacked with charcoal dust and pigment which came off of the bags.

THey'd be in trouble if the door came off. It took over a week to unload the box car.


True Line 8 hatch reefers.

Bill McCoy
 

One of the road names offered on the CN type 8 hatch reefer was GTW so they must have had a significant presence in Michigan.

On the subject of True Line 8 hatch cars, did the CP plug door version ever make it to market?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL


Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Robert kirkham
 

thanks for posting these links Elden - enjoyed looking around the collection. Even found the necessary NP boxcar!

Rob Kirkham

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Door? Door? So, now you want a door?

So, here's a door....

Elden Gatwood

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375190442;subview=detail;resnum=4638;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-200907.1957.10021;viewid=20121127-HPICASC-0125.TIF


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "midrly" <lucas@...> wrote:


The CPR Lyndonville Sub. was 64 miles of former B&M from Newport to Wells River, VT, and an "odd duck" on the CPR system. Among other things, it was signalled using US&S double-armed Style B semaphores similar to those used by SP, DL&W and NYO&W. This brought into play "Overlap Block" ABS operating rules on this line. Nowhere else on the CPR system were these signals used.

I'll chime in about the model being of a Canadian design of snow plow built in the 1920's--which means that the retail price of this model probably just at least doubled!

Steve Lucas.

BUT.......just as they were replaced on the rest of the B&M's
Connecticut River lines, those on the CPR Lyndonville Sub. were replaced by GRS searchlight signals in the post WW II years though I am uncertaain as to the exact date. Those GRS signals remained in use
until the CPR gave up the line and are now slowly being removed under ownership by the State of Vermont with a designated operator running the line.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Color for Bangor and Aroostook box car

al_brown03
 

Forgot to say if I were modelling one of these cars in service, I'd just paint it Floquil BCR and weather from there. The photos show several subtly different shades of weathered paint.

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Most of the photos in Sweetland and Horsley, "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", pp 9-15, suggest that the color is a mainstream BCR. I could be convinced that newly-painted cars had an Oxide tinge.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: True Line Trains CP Mini-Box

atsfnut <michaelEGross@...>
 

I have one on order from a dealer in Halifax, but have heard nothing from him, as yet.

Cheers!

Michael Gross
La Canada, CA

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Not to my knowledge.
Not sure what the delay is.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Has the CP mini-box been released by TrueLine and is it being handled by any US dealers? Klein doesn't show it.

Thanks,
Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:
Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.
I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Don Valentine wrote:
This question has already received appropriate response but had me wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".
Meat, of course, was one important cargo. As it happens, I have just finished weathering a TLT 8-hatch reefer and have written about in a blog post. But not just because of the prototype, though that's relevant, but because of a connection to my teenage modeling days. If you're interested, it's at this link:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/07/canadian-reefers-with-overhead-hatches.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


St. Louis RPM Thursday Events

golden1014
 

Friends,
 
For those of you arriving early to the St. Louis area for this weekend’s St. Louis RPM meet, we have two events happening on Thursday, Aug 1st. First, the Litchfield Train Group is having an open house for RPM attendees from 3:00 to 5:00 p.m.The club has a large HO scale layout, 44' x 50’, Digitrax DCC, 90% scenicked, set in the 1960s Midwest (although models of all eras are run at times).The layout is located in the Ameriprise Financial building downtown at 510 N. State Street, Litchfield, Il. 62056.Litchfield is about 45 minutes from the Gateway Center in Collinsville, IL. If you have any questions please contact Lonnie Bathurst at (217) 556-0314.
Second, we are hosting our annual, informal BBQ dinner at Bandana’s BBQ, located at 4 Commerce Drive, Collinsville, IL, right next to the Gateway Center. We have 30 seats reserved and the meal is pay-as-you-go.Arrival is at 6:00 p.m. and we can stay as long as we want to BS and harrass the waitresses--or get harrassed by the waitresses, as often happens...
Remember, we will have three home layouts open on Friday evening after the dinner hour.The layouts are all in the beautiful St. Charles area in the western St. Louis suburbs.John Russell’s O-scale Rock Island transition-era layout, Ron Schlueter’s HO-scale 1956-era D&RGW Tennessee Pass layout (featuring actual areas on the pass), and Bill Wehmeier HO scale M-K-T late 1960s Kansas City layout (featured in Great Model Railroads, 2006) will be open from 7:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. for registered attendees.You do not need to register for these layout visits.Maps will be available at the meet on Friday.If you do not wish to visit the home layouts, the RPM room at the Gateway Center will be open until 9:00 p.m. for shopping and BS-ing.
Also, late-breaking news—The Terminal Railroad Association Historical & Technical Society is providing a gift for the first 150 attendees at the meet.Thanks to our friend Larry Thomas of the TRRA Historical Society for his generosity!You can read more about the TRRA HS at trra-hts.railfan.net.
Thanks, and we’ll see you in St. Louis! 
Signed,
Loren Casey
Clark Propst
John Golden
Dan Kohlberg
Lonnie Bathurst

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Re: Replacement medal wheel ssets

Andy Miller
 

He wants to use award winning wheelset!



I recommend Intermountain. The work beautifully in Accurail or Bowser
truck frames.



Regards,



Andy Miller



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Hunter, James R.
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:03 AM
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medal?

Quoting Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...
<mailto:rhendrickson%40opendoor.com> >:

On Jul 29, 2013, at 7:07 PM, larry <mrprksr@...
<mailto:mrprksr%40bellsouth.net> > wrote:

I have several accurail cars I'm finally getting around to detailing
and I am finding that Kadee #520 wheels are kinda snug (the axle is
too long)...Question is what are you fellowa using in these
trucks.....Thanks.....Larry Mennie
Larry, Northwest Shot Line semi-scale wheel sets, my usual
replacement for code 110 wheel sets, roll very freely in Accurail
trucks.

Richard Hendrickson






Re: Canadian 8-hatch reefers; was True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

midrly
 

I recall that some Canadian meat products found their way into the US back then, fish being one that I recall. Perhaps Kosher product for New York City? I was told that the NYC had some Kosher traffic ex Chicago.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:




--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered
hopper? Did they ever come to the US?


This question has already received appropriate response but had me wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

midrly
 

The CPR Lyndonville Sub. was 64 miles of former B&M from Newport to Wells River, VT, and an "odd duck" on the CPR system. Among other things, it was signalled using US&S double-armed Style B semaphores similar to those used by SP, DL&W and NYO&W. This brought into play "Overlap Block" ABS operating rules on this line. Nowhere else on the CPR system were these signals used.

I'll chime in about the model being of a Canadian design of snow plow built in the 1920's--which means that the retail price of this model probably just at least doubled!

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., "John C. La Rue, Jr." <MOFWCABOOSE@> wrote:


Definitely a Canadian design built in large numbers by Eastern Car Company, but also by Dominion Car Company and National Steel Car Company.

Not seen in the US except at Brownsville Junction, Maine, where the Canadian Pacific crossed the Bangor and Aroostook - there were always at least two there. Most CN and CP subsidiaries in the US used American-built Russell snowplows

On the Canadian National the cars were usually freight car brown with white lettering. After the era of this list, they were repainted orange.

On the Canadian Pacific the cars were black with the blade and the rear end, and sometimes the cupola ends, painted bright red, with white lettering.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

You are forgetting about the former B&M line to Wells River, VT, John, otherwise known as the Lyndonville Subdivision, where one was also used. Have photos of it at Newport, VT.

Cordially, Don Valentine

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