Pierre, they were built in 1955. See Jan. 1996 RMC.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Well there's a giant leap of faith if I ever saw one.
Just because TLT had them painted, doesn't mean they are correct.
In fact I just had a quick look in my 53 ORER and it shows no 40' overhead bunker reefers for GTW. IN fact it shows no 40' reefers at all.
I welcome any correction of my reading of the ORER.
Pierre Oliver

One of the road names offered on the CN type 8 hatch reefer was GTW so they must have had a significant presence in Michigan.

On the subject of True Line 8 hatch cars, did the CP plug door version ever make it to market?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

Well there's a giant leap of faith if I ever saw one.
Just because TLT had them painted, doesn't mean they are correct.
In fact I just had a quick look in my 53 ORER and it shows no 40' overhead bunker reefers for GTW. IN fact it shows no 40' reefers at all.
I welcome any correction of my reading of the ORER.
Pierre Oliver

Forgot to say if I were modelling one of these cars in service, I'd just paint it Floquil BCR and weather from there. The photos show several subtly different shades of weathered paint.

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@> wrote:

Most of the photos in Sweetland and Horsley, "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", pp 9-15, suggest that the color is a mainstream BCR. I could be convinced that newly-painted cars had an Oxide tinge.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth

One of the road names offered on the CN type 8 hatch reefer was GTW so they must have had a significant presence in Michigan.

On the subject of True Line 8 hatch cars, did the CP plug door version ever make it to market?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

Most of the photos in Sweetland and Horsley, "Northern New England Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment", pp 9-15, suggest that the color is a mainstream BCR. I could be convinced that newly-painted cars had an Oxide tinge.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., "krowth3249" <kenwroth@> wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone knows the shade of boxcar red used by the B&A. I would love a mix based on Floquil or Scalecoat, but at least I would like to know if it leaned towards the Oxide Red, or Brown end of the spectrum, or was basically in the middle of the range.

Thanks,
Ken Roth

Not to my knowledge.
Not sure what the delay is.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Has the CP mini-box been released by TrueLine and is it being handled by any US dealers? Klein doesn't show it.

Thanks,
Bill McCoy

--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson <tony@> wrote:

Bruce Smith wrote:

Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.

I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

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--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:

Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered
hopper? Did they ever come to the US?

This question has already received appropriate response but had me wondering again about the same question applied to the 8-hatch reefers also used by both of the two large Canadian roads. In watching a railroad video over the weekend the answer became clear with at least the CNR gray 8-hatch reefers when one appeared on a train photographed in southern New England. I'm not going to speculate on how many or how far they came into the US but clearly at least one car can be documented from wich I will speculate that it was not the only one. As we used to hear quite often, "There's a prototype for everything".

Cordially, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@..., "John C. La Rue, Jr." <MOFWCABOOSE@> wrote:

Definitely a Canadian design built in large numbers by Eastern Car Company, but also by Dominion Car Company and National Steel Car Company.

Not seen in the US except at Brownsville Junction, Maine, where the Canadian Pacific crossed the Bangor and Aroostook - there were always at least two there. Most CN and CP subsidiaries in the US used American-built Russell snowplows

On the Canadian National the cars were usually freight car brown with white lettering. After the era of this list, they were repainted orange.

On the Canadian Pacific the cars were black with the blade and the rear end, and sometimes the cupola ends, painted bright red, with white lettering.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

You are forgetting about the former B&M line to Wells River, VT, John, otherwise known as the Lyndonville Subdivision, where one was also used. Have photos of it at Newport, VT.

Cordially, Don Valentine