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Market Survey - CB&Q 70-ton 2-bay sand hoppers

Dave Lotz
 

Hi All,

I’m conducting a survey to determine the potential demand for a special run
of CB&Q Havelock-built, HC-1, ACF-design 70-ton, 2-bay covered hopper kits
that I am preparing to produce. There will be two versions of
custom-decorated Bowser kits in at least two road numbers and possibly more.

The first version will be from the 1943 order in the 180200-180249 number
series. The kits will be equipped with Kadee® National Type B trucks,
painted with a mineral red body and roof; white 1943 lettering with the
small, body painted, white only Burlington Route herald and large Everywhere
West script. This version will retail for $24.95 each plus shipping.

The second version will be from the 1946 order in the 180400-180499 number
series. The kits will be equipped with Bowser’s trucks with metal
wheelsets, painted with a mineral red body and roof; white 1946 lettering
with the small, body painted, white only Burlington Route herald and large
Everywhere West script. This version will retail for $18.95 each plus
shipping.

This will be a very limited run based upon the results of this survey. Each
value-added kit will contain extra Bowser weights to bring these hoppers
closer to the NMRA recommended weight and Kadee® No. 158 Whisker® couplers.

If you are interested in obtaining any of these kits, please email me
directly with the number of road numbers you would be willing to purchase of
each version. I will announce the results of the survey next Friday night
(August 9).

My direct email is Dave_Lotz (at) BellSouth.net.
<mailto:Dave_Lotz@bellsouth.net>

Thank you for your interest and participation in this survey.

Dave Lotz
Pooler, GA




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Re: road name on the gon closest to the camera

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi Ben and List Members,

Thanks Ben - you clearly have a better eye for this than I do!

- Claus Schlund

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From: "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@att.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] road name on the gon closest to the camera


Claus Schlund asked:
"Any thoughts on what the road name is on the gon closest to the camera?
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d18321/

Milwaukee Road. You can just make out C.M.StP.&.P. on the car side.


Ben Hom





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Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Andy Carlson
 

The Northern Electric, precursor to the longer Sacramento Northern Interurban, had a steel truss bridge joining the twin cities of Marysville and Yuba City, California. On both ends was a cutout design of the "swastica" symbol. Later the symbol was modified by cutting into a four-leaf  clover design, which persists to this day-Andy Carlson
Pjai CA





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From: sshaffer <sshaffer@zianet.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?



 
Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol
for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as well
as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has a
long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many
meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been used
by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and
the Ladies Home Journal.
Doug Harding
A railroad in New Mexico used it in their hearld. St. Louis Rocky Mountain
and Pacific? New Mexico Eastern? I think it became part of El Paso and
Southwestern and later Southern Pacific.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico




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Re: road name on the gon closest to the camera

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"Any thoughts on what the road name is on the gon closest to the camera?
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d18321/

Milwaukee Road.  You can just make out C.M.StP.&.P. on the car side.
 
 
Ben Hom


road name on the gon closest to the camera

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Any thoughts on what the road name is on the gon closest to the camera?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/fsa.8d18321/

Thanks in advance - Claus Schlund


Trains and Technology : Cars

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

Would anyone on this List have the book "Trains and Technology : Cars" by
Anthony Bianculli? If so, could you please contact me off List.

Thanks

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Swastika was Charles Lindbergh's Santa Fe Boxcar?

granpa92@...
 

Apparently some of the roads that followed the railroad tracks that
steam powered trains ran on in Arizona had road signs that used the
swastika as well. One can learn something new every day!

<http://arizonaroads.com/arizona/index.html>

Larry Platt


Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

The Chicago, Attica & Southern used it as well as its herald. It was a
fashionable good luck symbol until 1933.

Regards,
William Bryk


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:36 AM, sshaffer <sshaffer@zianet.com> wrote:

**


Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol
for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as
well
as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has
a
long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many
meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been
used
by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and
the Ladies Home Journal.
Doug Harding
A railroad in New Mexico used it in their hearld. St. Louis Rocky Mountain
and Pacific? New Mexico Eastern? I think it became part of El Paso and
Southwestern and later Southern Pacific.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico




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Re: Charles Lindbergh's Santa Fe Boxcar?

Al Campbell
 

The photos used in connection with this article show both ends of the
boxcar. There doesn't appear to be end doors on either end. If that's a 40' car
then the 46' wing looks right. I'll certainly agree that the car was used
only to help move the wing from the building. I bet there is not a waybill
in existence for this move. Al Campbell


Re: Charles Lindbergh?s Santa Fe Boxcar?

al_brown03
 

The Chicago, Atiica, & Southern also used a swastika herald. Dunno if it was painted onto any STMFCs though.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tom VanWormer <robsmom@...> wrote:

Folks,
Just loaded a couple of photos of the St.LRM&P Rwy cars with the
previously mentioned herald to the St. Louis, Rocky Mountain & Pacific
Rwy folder in the Photo Section.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO


Tom VanWormer wrote:



Actually it became part of the Santa Fe.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

sshaffer wrote:



Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American
symbol
for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as
well
as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction
has a
long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many
meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been
used
by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola,
and
the Ladies Home Journal.
Doug Harding
A railroad in New Mexico used it in their hearld. St. Louis Rocky
Mountain
and Pacific? New Mexico Eastern? I think it became part of El Paso and
Southwestern and later Southern Pacific.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico


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Re: Charles Lindbergh?s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Tom Vanwormer
 

Folks,
Just loaded a couple of photos of the St.LRM&P Rwy cars with the
previously mentioned herald to the St. Louis, Rocky Mountain & Pacific
Rwy folder in the Photo Section.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO


Tom VanWormer wrote:



Actually it became part of the Santa Fe.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

sshaffer wrote:



Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American
symbol
for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as
well
as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction
has a
long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many
meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been
used
by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola,
and
the Ladies Home Journal.
Doug Harding
A railroad in New Mexico used it in their hearld. St. Louis Rocky
Mountain
and Pacific? New Mexico Eastern? I think it became part of El Paso and
Southwestern and later Southern Pacific.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico





Re: Charles Lindbergh?s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Tom Vanwormer
 

Actually it became part of the Santa Fe.
Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

sshaffer wrote:



Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American
symbol
for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as
well
as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction
has a
long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many
meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been
used
by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola,
and
the Ladies Home Journal.
Doug Harding
A railroad in New Mexico used it in their hearld. St. Louis Rocky
Mountain
and Pacific? New Mexico Eastern? I think it became part of El Paso and
Southwestern and later Southern Pacific.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico



Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

s shaffer
 

One railroad used the symbol as its herald – can’t remember the name at the moment. – Al Westerfield

Yes, I found a picture of a 2-8-0 #101 St. Louis Rocky Mountain and Pacific. If jets were shooting out the ends of the bars the symbol would rotate counter clockwise.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico


Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

s shaffer
 

Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as well as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has a long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been used by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and the Ladies Home Journal.
Doug Harding
A railroad in New Mexico used it in their hearld. St. Louis Rocky Mountain and Pacific? New Mexico Eastern? I think it became part of El Paso and Southwestern and later Southern Pacific.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico


Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

charles_8309@...
 

IIRC, Southeastern Express used it for many years.

Chuck Happel

"True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country".
Kurt Vonnegut

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From: "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfieldalfred@frontier.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2013 9:12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?



One railroad used the symbol as its herald – can’t remember the name at the moment. – Al Westerfield

From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 6:38 AM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Yes. I know.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Douglas Harding <mailto:doug.harding%40iowacentralrr.org>
Reply-To: STMFC List <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:53 PM
To: STMFC List <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol for
friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as well as
used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has a long
history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many meanings,
including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been used by such
groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and the Ladies
Home Journal.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

 

One railroad used the symbol as its herald – can’t remember the name at the moment. – Al Westerfield

From: BRIAN PAUL EHNI
Sent: Friday, August 02, 2013 6:38 AM
To: STMFC List
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?


Yes. I know.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Douglas Harding <mailto:doug.harding%40iowacentralrr.org>
Reply-To: STMFC List <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:53 PM
To: STMFC List <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol for
friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as well as
used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has a long
history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many meanings,
including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been used by such
groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and the Ladies
Home Journal.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

 

Yes. I know.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Douglas Harding <doug.harding@iowacentralrr.org>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:53 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?






Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol for
friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as well as
used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has a long
history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many meanings,
including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been used by such
groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and the Ladies
Home Journal.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

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Re: Charles Lindbergh�s Santa Fe Boxcar?

Douglas Harding
 

Brian the caption with the photo states that is a Native American symbol for friendship and peace. It is a symbol popular with the Navajo, as well as used by many other tribes. The symbol, drawn in either direction has a long history that pre-dates its use by Nazi Germany. And it has many meanings, including religious symbolism. Apparently it has also been used by such groups as the Boy Scouts, American Pilots in WWI, Coca Cola, and the Ladies Home Journal.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Charles Lindbergh's Santa Fe Boxcar?

Jack Mullen
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:

Looks to me like the box car is a "platform" to help them get it out of the
building. There is a crane to the left that can take it from the roof of the
car. The car is a 50' FE-P, the wing span is 46', so assuming there is an
end door on the other end of the car, it will fit. I don't have my books in
front of me right now.
Uh, Isn't the Fe-P a 40 footer? Doesn't the wing look longer than the car?

Without looking it up, I don't recall either the Fe-P or Fe-Q having end doors. I assume this car is just serving as a platform, and the wing will be loaded in (or on) something else.

Jack Mullen


Re: Charles Lindbergh¹s Santa Fe Boxcar?

George Courtney
 

Recalls when my father said he and 3 other workers moved a boxcar at Foote Mineral. He said it was tough to get moving by pushing, but a lot tougher to stop by hand. I'll have to go back and look at the photo, anyone on the brakewheel?
George Courtney



On 8/1/13 12:48 PM, "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:
and it appears that human muscle power is moving the boxcar!



Bruce F. Smith




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