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Re: Looking for a Short Line

Tony Thompson
 

John C. La Rue, Jr. wrote:
Common carrier railroads that hauled logs would be mostly in the South (Tremont & Gulf) or the West (Oregon, Pacific & Eastern, Oregon, California & Eastern), and were mostly at least partly owned by the lumber companies whose logs they hauled.

I don't know the T&G, but the OP&E hauled very little BESIDES logs. Thus it would hardly meet ANY of John Miller's criteria.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Looking for a Short Line

Jack Burgess
 

<One obvious possibility is the Yosemite Valley. Sure meets some of your
<criteria. Of course in the 1930s covered hoppers were VERY rare, on the
<YV or anywhere.
<
<Tony

I couldn't have said it better Tony!

But, John, you also said "I would like to be able to research it through
visits, photo's and books [snip]". Back in the 1970s, there was a lot of
interest in modeling 2' gauge prototypes which was driven partly by Bob
Brown, editor of the Narrow Gauge and Short Line Gazette who was building a
large diorama based on one of those prototypes. A very good modeler/friend
who lived a few blocks from me was also modeling in On2. Their modeling was
so inspirational that I started seriously thinking about switching from HO
to On2. But, I realized that, while I knew a lot about my home state
(California), I didn't know anything about Maine, home to these 2' gauge
railroads. I didn't know what the trees looked like nor even what color the
dirt was. I assumed that I could never afford to visit Maine and, after
starting work on an On2 flat car, I decided that I needed to model a
California prototype. I ended up choosing the Yosemite Valley Railroad as a
prototype to model. (And, although the price is now around $350 per copy,
there is a very good book available on the YV!)

Forty years later, I could now afford to travel to Maine if I was modeling
it but modeling a prototype close by has a lot of advantages. A few weeks
ago, I was thinking about documents which indicated that the YV used either
redwood or cedar ties. Forty years ago, I assumed that the YV used creosoted
ties. But I'm now building a 1/4" scale diorama and this gives me the chance
to revisit my earlier conclusions. So, a few weeks ago, I did a quick trip
down to the YV (a 2-hour drive) which gave me the opportunity to determine
if my documentation regarding the use of redwood or cedar ties was correct.
I knew of a couple of places where YV ties are being used as fence posts
and a small splice with a sharp knife confirmed that the YV did indeed use
redwood ties. Okay, one may not care if their chosen prototype used redwood
or untreated pine ties but beware...once you are sucked into modeling a
specific prototype, this type of information might well become more
important!

You also mentioned:
"The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had its own road name
(or even one of a major line) along with its own rolling stock, but would
also move a lot of interchange cars along its line and might include rolling
stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh
ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger
mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for something
special."

Okay...the Yosemite Valley Railroad hauled log cars and 22' ex-GN hopper
cars along with box cars and refrigerators cars but no milk cars. But it
also ran Pullmans during the summer months. The YV interchanged with both
the SP and ATSF but had its "own road name". As for "steamers", they ran
4-4-0s (Bachmann's Spectrum line has a very close stand-in) and 2-6-0s
(Bachmann now has an Alco 2-6-0 which might be close) and Beaver Creek
imported all 5 of the 2-6-0 engines. Rio Grande Models has a kit for the YV
log cars and the three stock cars. Both West Side and Beaver Creek imported
a model of one of the cabooses. BC also imported models of the hopper cars
(also available from Westerfield) and three of the passenger cars.

There is an impression in the hobby that "short lines" and "narrow gauge
lines" were rundown, poorly maintained railroads. And many modelers like to
model that look. However, I believe that that impression comes from photos
taken by railfans in the last years of the existence of those
prototypes...when word came out that they may be abandoned, railfans flocked
to them to record their last days. But photos of the YV, even in the early
1940s (it was abandoned in 1945) show engines that had been wiped down with
kerosene and diesel fuel daily (a late friend who worked for the YV in 1942
started out as a wiper). You can't run Pullmans, occasionally with three
sections for 15 cars each, with engines which weren't maintained.

What more could you want?

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Looking for a Short Line

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Common carrier railroads that hauled logs would be mostly in the South (Tremont & Gulf) or the West (Oregon, Pacific & Eastern, Oregon, California & Eastern), and were mostly at least partly owned by the lumber companies whose logs they hauled.

If you can do without the logs, the railroad that springs to mind is the Maryland & Pennsylvania. Extensive information is available, and many of its locomotives and cars were done in brass. It has been modeled many times, either under its own name or as "look-alikes" with free-lance names, but very obviously copied from the "Ma & Pa".

George Hilton, who wrote a book about it, called it "A model railroad built to the scale of 12 inches equals one foot".

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: John Miller <amwing1588@sbcglobal.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 9:59 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for a Short Line






Hi all,

I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in discovering a short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like to be able to research it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and fill it with the correct types of rolling stock appropriate for that time period.
The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one of a major line)along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of interchange cars along it's line and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines across the country, and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why. At this point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly.

Thanks to all in advance.

John Miller
Folsom, CA.








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Re: Looking for a Short Line

Scott H. Haycock
 

The Original Norfolk Southern, a Class 1 (just barely) bridge line that ran between Norfolk, VA and Charlotte, NC would fit your description. This road has a Historical Society and a Yahoo list.


Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm ent

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Hi all,

I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in discovering a short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like to be able to research it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and fill it with the correct types of rolling stock appropriate for that time period.
The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one of a major line)along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of interchange cars along it's line and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines across the country, and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why. At this point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly.

Thanks to all in advance.

John Miller
Folsom, CA.




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Re: Looking for a Short Line

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Not short lines . . .



But branches. The Lackawanna had two branches that offer a lot of what you're seeking,
first the Bangor & Portland branch (which is NOT in Maine, but in northeastern
Pennsylvania. My friend, Paul Cappelloni, not a member of this list, has a very nice
rendition of this line in his basement outside Philadelphia.

http://pcapp1.tripod.com/bangor_and_portland_rail_way.htm It has a lot of operational
possibilities and Paul has had some operation sessions though he's not quite there yet.
Also see:

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/37/2684/january-2006-page-36



The other branch is "The Bloom," the Bloomsburg branch south out of Scranton to Bloomsburg
PA. Much the same in terms of operational interest, a simple straight line railroad.
Google Lackawanna Bloomsburg Branch or Bloomsburg Division and you will get some hits.



The DL&W had two other branches, from Binghamton to Syracuse and also from Binghamton to
Utica, but IMHO neither of these have the interest of either the B&P or the Bloom.



Schuyler







From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Miller
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:00 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Looking for a Short Line





Hi all,

I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in
discovering a short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like
to be able to research it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and
fill it with the correct types of rolling stock appropriate for that time period.
The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one
of a major line)along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of
interchange cars along it's line and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log
cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've
been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for
something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines across the country,
and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why. At this
point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly.

Thanks to all in advance.

John Miller
Folsom, CA.


Re: Looking for a Short Line

albyrno
 

The california western might work for you they started out as logging operation and have since had freight and passenger service,they have interchanges with other rr's.Most known for skunk trains.
Alan

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "John Miller" <amwing1588@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in discovering a short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like to be able to research it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and fill it with the correct types of rolling stock appropriate for that time period.
The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one of a major line)along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of interchange cars along it's line and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines across the country, and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why. At this point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly.

Thanks to all in advance.

John Miller
Folsom, CA.


Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

Charles Hladik
 

Fenton,
PSC sells just the leaf spring in a pack of about a dozen. Should
order from a dealer to save the minimum purchase.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 8/5/2013 7:55:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
srrfan1401@gmail.com writes:




Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not the
correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any
suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells


Re: Looking for a Short Line

Benjamin Hom
 

John Miller asked:
"I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in discovering
a  short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like to be able to research
it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and fill it with the correct types of
rolling stock appropriate for that time period.

The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one of a major
line) along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of interchange cars along it's line
and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh
ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but
just find myself yearning for something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines
across the country, and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why.
At this point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly."
 
Sounds a bit much for a short line.  However, if you'd consider a small Class I, you just described the Rutland (except for the log cars).  Here's a website to get you started:
http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/
 
 
Ben Hom 

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Re: Looking for a Short Line

Tony Thompson
 

John Miller wrote:
I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in discovering a short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like to be able to research it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and fill it with the correct types of rolling stock appropriate for that time period.
The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one of a major line)along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of interchange cars along it's line and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines across the country, and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why. At this point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly.
One obvious possibility is the Yosemite Valley. Sure meets some of your criteria. Of course in the 1930s covered hoppers were VERY rare, on the YV or anywhere.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Looking for a Short Line

John Miller <amwing1588@...>
 

Hi all,

I don't know if this is the correct venue to ask this, but I will anyway. I need help in discovering a short line RR set in the early to mid 1930's (depression era). I would like to be able to research it through visits, photo's and books and then build a layout and fill it with the correct types of rolling stock appropriate for that time period.
The short line I'm interested in modeling would have had it's own road name (or even one of a major line)along with it's own rolling stock, but would also move a lot of interchange cars along it's line and might include rolling stock...from milk cars, log cars, covered hoppers to 50' auto boxes and Oh ya...lots of small to medium steamers. I've been modeling the larger mainline roads for years, but just find myself yearning for something special. There are so many of these branch lines/short lines across the country, and that being said, I'd like to hear from you all, which ones you like and why. At this point, I don't have a geographical preference, so let the suggestions fly.

Thanks to all in advance.

John Miller
Folsom, CA.


Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

granpa92@...
 

Fenton,

Before you buy those Tichy trucks, take a look at the picture of True
Line Trains GTW caboose.

<http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/wayward>

Click on the picture for a larger view. You can get a good view of the
caboose trucks. These trucks have more detail than the Tichy's. There
is brake detail and the leaf springs are much better detailed.

I did find a place to buy them in the US.

<http://www.modeltrainstuff.com/True-Line-Trains-HO-Bettendorf-Trucks-R-p
/tlt-900905.htm>

They may be a little more expensive than the Tichy trucks, but they are
much better detailed.

I have no vested interest in True Line Trains or Tichy. I do own both
Tichy and True Line Trains "bettendorf" caboose trucks, and my personal
preference is the TTL truck.

YMMV,

Larry Platt

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From: O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@gmail.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks


Thanks for all who helped. I believe the Tichy is the one I was looking
for.
Fenton Wells


Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for all who helped. I believe the Tichy is the one I was looking
for.
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM, S. Busch <scsbusch@bellsouth.net> wrote:

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In HO, Atlas makes these in normal bearing: Item # 191000
and these in roller bearing: Item # 190000

See www.atlasrr.com , HO Freight Car Spare Parts, and then, HO Freight
Car Wheels and Trucks.

Hope that's what you're looking for -

Steve Busch
Duncan, SC


Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not the
correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any
suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells






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5 Newberry Lane
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910-420-1144
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Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Muicheal, I'll check it out
fenton wells

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Michael Watnoski <
freestatesystems1@comcast.net> wrote:

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I think Tichy makes an inexpensive one.

Michael

On 8/5/2013 7:53 PM, srrfan1401 wrote:
Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not
the correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any
suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells



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Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

S. Busch
 

In HO, Atlas makes these in normal bearing: Item # 191000
and these in roller bearing: Item # 190000

See www.atlasrr.com , HO Freight Car Spare Parts, and then, HO Freight Car Wheels and Trucks.

Hope that's what you're looking for -

Steve Busch
Duncan, SC



Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not the correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells


Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

Rob Adams
 

Fenton;

If the neither of the Tahoe swing motion options are what you need, take
a look at the Tichy #3051 double leaf spring caboose truck.

Regards,
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA

On 8/5/13 6:53 PM, srrfan1401 wrote:

Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not
the correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want.
Any suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells


Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

granpa92@...
 

If you are looking for HO caboose trucks.

Tichy makes a leaf spring caboose truck.

<https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/trucks/Default.aspx>

True Line Trains make a very good caboose truck, but I cannot find a place to buy them in the US. I like this truck the best for the leaf
spring style.

<http://www.truelinetrains.ca/paint-accessories/trucks-and-wheelsets>

Walthers makes an insert for their sprung trucks and puts them on some
of their cabooses, but I really do not like the looks of them. I don't
think the trucks are available separately.

Larry Platt

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From: srrfan1401 <srrfan1401@gmail.com>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 5, 2013 4:54 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks






Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not
the correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want.
Any suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells


Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

Joseph Lofland
 

Yes, Don Tichy makes a caboose truck.

Joe


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:53 PM, srrfan1401 <srrfan1401@gmail.com> wrote:

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Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not the
correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any
suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells



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Re: "Freight Terminals and Trains"

Dale Muir <dalemuir1@...>
 

Hi Richard,
You can buy a copy from the NMRA web site. It's a modern reprint of the original.
Dale

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Richard:

Contact me about this at raildata.comcast.net.

Chuck Yungkurth

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Does anyone have access to a physical copy (not the Google book) of "Freight Terminals and Trains" by John A. Droege (1912)? I am trying to get ahold of high resolution scans of three of the figures in the book (Nos. 61, 62, and 63, pp. 189-191) which show Colorado & Southern standard gauge stock car #26005.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon



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Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

Michael Watnoski
 

I think Tichy makes an inexpensive one.

Michael

On 8/5/2013 7:53 PM, srrfan1401 wrote:
Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not the correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells



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Re: Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

Brad Andonian
 

In O scale Rich Yoder
 
 
Brad Andonian

From: srrfan1401 <srrfan1401@gmail.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 4:53 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Bettendorf spring leaf caboose trucks

 
Who, besides Kadee makes a spring leaf, Bettendorf type (probably not the correct term. The Tahoe truck does not look like the one I want. Any suggestions?
Any help or suggestions are appreciated.
Fenton Wells




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