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Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

ed_mines
 

Is there some reason why I can't click on these? I used to be able to.
Is it my computer or does everyone have this problem?

Ed Mines

PS Gold star for this post!

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site...

PRR flat car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003252/PP/resource/

Possible KCS gondola
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003844/PP/resource/

Hopper (possible Rainey-Wood car? My spelling might be off on this one...)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004264/PP/resource/

WM 15245 twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004265/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004266/PP/resource/

Nice yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004503/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004504/PP/resource/
and still again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004505/PP/resource/
and finally at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004510/PP/resource/

MILW 307006 and other MILW composit gons at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004515/PP/resource/

MILW boxcars at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004516/PP/resource/

Yard view taken from high above
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004669/PP/resource/

Freight cars behind REA building
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005200/PP/resource/

String of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005278/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005279/PP/resource/

Somewhat rare PRR-built FGEX class R7 reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010685/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010686/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010850/PP/resource/

SLRX reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010687/PP/resource/

MILW gons and rib-side boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005522/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005530/PP/resource/

Unkown composite hopper partial view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997008300/PP/resource/


Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for sharing these with us! Ahhhh, yards full of wood-sheathed cars...

Eric Lombard


On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, MICHAELCALO3403 <
michaelcalo3403@...> wrote:

**


Nice! Thanks for the links, Claus.

Mike Calo
Glen Burnie MD (just south of Baltimore)

----- Original Message -----

From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:07:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Some steam era freight car content on the Library of
Congress site

Hi List Members,

Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site...

PRR flat car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003252/PP/resource/

Possible KCS gondola
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003844/PP/resource/

Hopper (possible Rainey-Wood car? My spelling might be off on this one...)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004264/PP/resource/

WM 15245 twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004265/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004266/PP/resource/

Nice yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004503/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004504/PP/resource/
and still again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004505/PP/resource/
and finally at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004510/PP/resource/

MILW 307006 and other MILW composit gons at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004515/PP/resource/

MILW boxcars at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004516/PP/resource/

Yard view taken from high above
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004669/PP/resource/

Freight cars behind REA building
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005200/PP/resource/

String of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005278/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005279/PP/resource/

Somewhat rare PRR-built FGEX class R7 reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010685/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010686/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010850/PP/resource/

SLRX reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010687/PP/resource/

MILW gons and rib-side boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005522/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005530/PP/resource/

Unkown composite hopper partial view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997008300/PP/resource/

Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund

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Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Great stuff some interesting shots thanks for sharing them
Paul Doggett England

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,

Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site...

PRR flat car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003252/PP/resource/

Possible KCS gondola
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003844/PP/resource/

Hopper (possible Rainey-Wood car? My spelling might be off on this one...)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004264/PP/resource/

WM 15245 twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004265/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004266/PP/resource/

Nice yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004503/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004504/PP/resource/
and still again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004505/PP/resource/
and finally at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004510/PP/resource/

MILW 307006 and other MILW composit gons at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004515/PP/resource/

MILW boxcars at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004516/PP/resource/

Yard view taken from high above
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004669/PP/resource/

Freight cars behind REA building
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005200/PP/resource/

String of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005278/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005279/PP/resource/

Somewhat rare PRR-built FGEX class R7 reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010685/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010686/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010850/PP/resource/

SLRX reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010687/PP/resource/

MILW gons and rib-side boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005522/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005530/PP/resource/

Unkown composite hopper partial view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997008300/PP/resource/


Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

MICHAELCALO3403 <michaelcalo3403@...>
 

Nice! Thanks for the links, Claus.

Mike Calo
Glen Burnie MD (just south of Baltimore)

----- Original Message -----

From: "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...>
To: "STMFC" <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 1:07:59 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site



Hi List Members,

Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site...

PRR flat car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003252/PP/resource/

Possible KCS gondola
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003844/PP/resource/

Hopper (possible Rainey-Wood car? My spelling might be off on this one...)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004264/PP/resource/

WM 15245 twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004265/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004266/PP/resource/

Nice yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004503/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004504/PP/resource/
and still again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004505/PP/resource/
and finally at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004510/PP/resource/

MILW 307006 and other MILW composit gons at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004515/PP/resource/

MILW boxcars at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004516/PP/resource/

Yard view taken from high above
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004669/PP/resource/

Freight cars behind REA building
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005200/PP/resource/

String of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005278/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005279/PP/resource/

Somewhat rare PRR-built FGEX class R7 reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010685/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010686/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010850/PP/resource/

SLRX reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010687/PP/resource/

MILW gons and rib-side boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005522/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005530/PP/resource/

Unkown composite hopper partial view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997008300/PP/resource/

Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site...

PRR flat car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003252/PP/resource/

Possible KCS gondola
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997003844/PP/resource/

Hopper (possible Rainey-Wood car? My spelling might be off on this one...)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004264/PP/resource/

WM 15245 twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004265/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004266/PP/resource/

Nice yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004503/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004504/PP/resource/
and still again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004505/PP/resource/
and finally at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004510/PP/resource/

MILW 307006 and other MILW composit gons at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004515/PP/resource/

MILW boxcars at coaling tower
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004516/PP/resource/

Yard view taken from high above
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997004669/PP/resource/

Freight cars behind REA building
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005200/PP/resource/

String of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005278/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005279/PP/resource/

Somewhat rare PRR-built FGEX class R7 reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010685/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010686/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010850/PP/resource/

SLRX reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997010687/PP/resource/

MILW gons and rib-side boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005522/PP/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997005530/PP/resource/

Unkown composite hopper partial view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/fsa1997008300/PP/resource/


Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

Bruce Smith
 

I run away from flee markets ;^)

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn Al

On Aug 15, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


I try to stay far away from flee markets...

I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a flee market


Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

Armand Premo
 

Train shows?Flea markets?Tim every once in awhile you find a nugget.Armand Premo ----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?




I try to stay far away from flee markets...

>> I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a flee market


Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

Tim O'Connor
 

I try to stay far away from flee markets...

I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a flee market


Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

Benjamin Hom
 

Joe Travia asked:
"I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a fle[a]
market, cheap, for sake of practicing weathering. It is a 40ft
flatcar w/stakes (model #1350 if I'm reading the box right). It is
lettered for the Pennsy and is # 425500. The car data that I can read
suggest a build date of 1950.

I was going to assemble and weather it as is but I am curious: does
this car match any prototype close enough to warrant an upgrade? I
wasn't able to find a photo of the real PRR 425500 but it does appear
to have actually been a flatcar. Any thoughts? I'd be interested in
trying a full repaint and decal job if someone could point me in the
right direction. Otherwise I'm going to weather it and forget it."

BLUF: While not intended to match a specific prototype and not
accurate as lettered for PRR, the Athearn 40 ft flat car can be used
to model cars from at least two railroads, the Rutland and NYC. The
Rutland projects have been documented in the hobby press by Richard
Hendrickson and John Nehrich.

Irv Athearn had a habit of coming up with "generic" cars in his line
based on no specific prototype, including the 40 ft and 50 ft
flatcar, the 50 ft riveted side plug door boxcar, the 34 ft ribbed
side hopper, and the 50 ft gon.

Fortunately for the prototype modeler, some of these cars resemble
actual prototypes closely enough to build credible models from them.
Your model is incorrect out of the box - PRR 422500 is a Class FM
flatcar, which the Athearn car does not accurately model:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/dispclass.cgi?class=FM

However, it is close enough to at least two prototypes. The first is
the Rutland, and this detailing project has been covered in the hobby
press, both by Richard Hendrickson in the August 1993 issue of
Railmodel Journal, and by John Nehrich in "Flats and Gons for the
NEB&W" in the January 1986 issue of Model Railroader. (The RPI
club's NEB&W flats are based on the Rutland prototype.) Here's a
link to Richard's article:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/150/10854/august-1993-page-16

The second, and one I need to research more closely, is at least one
lot of NYC flats. NYC 495293-495692 (ex-NYC&HR 31293-31692), Lot 255-
F (400 cars, ACF, 1910) appears to be close as well (photo from the
pay side of the RPI website, diagram from Terry Link's website):
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/index.php?title=File:Rolling-stock_flats_nyc-flat-w-cable-reels.jpg
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/lot-255.jpg

I need to research this more closely as the NYC spread cars of the
same design across multiple lots, so there might be more cars out
there. The full NYC diagram has a table showing which lots it
represents, which I'll check tonight after work.


Ben Hom


Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

Bruce Smith
 

Joe,

Definitely not appropriate for PRR. The classic PRR 40' flat is the FM, which has been produced in HO in resin by Sunshine and F&C. There are no RTR or shake the box kits for this class (The Red Caboose flat is sold as a PRR FM but is not close).

According to the RPI site, the Athearn 40 flat is a relatively odd prototype due to the 11 stake pockets. Some railroads they list with fishbelly side sill 40' cars with 11 stake pockets include ACL. Monon, Rutland, TA&G, TP&W, and possibly some NYC cars. The review goes on to state that making it a 12 pocket flat increases the prototype possibilities, but to be honest, the analysis posted there seems a little dated and thin on details.

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Aug 15, 2013, at 5:48 AM, jatravia wrote:


Hello,

I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a flee market,
cheap, for sake of practicing weathering. It is a 40ft flatcar w/
stakes (model #1350 if I'm reading the box right). It is lettered for
the Pennsy and is # 425500. The car data that I can read suggest a
build date of 1950.

I was going to assemble and weather it as is but I am curious: does this
car match any prototype close enough to warrant an upgrade? I wasn't
able to find a photo of the real PRR 425500 but it does appear to have
actually been a flatcar. Any thoughts? I'd be interested in trying a
full repaint and decal job if someone could point me in the right
direction. Otherwise I'm going to weather it and forget it.

Thank you,

Joe Travia <><


Re: 40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

al_brown03
 

Well, it isn't a Pennsy car AFAIK ... but it is pretty close to a prototype or two. (The criteria are sidesill shape, number/placement of stake pockets, and to a lesser extent deck details and underframe shape.) The Rutland had some flats close to it, and there's also an ACL class much like it (albeit often overlooked because they were rebuilds). I want to say there was one more ... I'm working from memory on this, will try to be more specific when I get home tonight.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "jatravia" <jatravia@...> wrote:


Hello,

I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a flee market,
cheap, for sake of practicing weathering. It is a 40ft flatcar w/
stakes (model #1350 if I'm reading the box right). It is lettered for
the Pennsy and is # 425500. The car data that I can read suggest a
build date of 1950.

I was going to assemble and weather it as is but I am curious: does this
car match any prototype close enough to warrant an upgrade? I wasn't
able to find a photo of the real PRR 425500 but it does appear to have
actually been a flatcar. Any thoughts? I'd be interested in trying a
full repaint and decal job if someone could point me in the right
direction. Otherwise I'm going to weather it and forget it.

Thank you,

Joe Travia <><


40ft Athearn Flatcar kit - does it represent any prototype?

jatravia <jatravia@...>
 

Hello,

I recently purchased an Athearn blue box flatcar kit at a flee market,
cheap, for sake of practicing weathering. It is a 40ft flatcar w/
stakes (model #1350 if I'm reading the box right). It is lettered for
the Pennsy and is # 425500. The car data that I can read suggest a
build date of 1950.

I was going to assemble and weather it as is but I am curious: does this
car match any prototype close enough to warrant an upgrade? I wasn't
able to find a photo of the real PRR 425500 but it does appear to have
actually been a flatcar. Any thoughts? I'd be interested in trying a
full repaint and decal job if someone could point me in the right
direction. Otherwise I'm going to weather it and forget it.

Thank you,

Joe Travia <><


Re: 2013 St. Louis RPM Meet Report

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Hi John
I will look forward to seeing the rest of your photos
Cheers Paul

--- In STMFC@..., "John" <golden1014@...> wrote:

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your kind comments. I have a long way to go ont he PBase site--still 150 photos to load, then captions, etc. I'll get to it as work, family, stuff allows.

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL



--- In STMFC@..., "paul.doggett2472" <paul.doggett2472@> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@> wrote:

Friends,                  The 2013 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler’s (RPM) Meet was held on Friday, August 2nd and Saturday, August 3rd at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois.The event was co-sponsored by the Gateway Division, Mid-Continent Region, National Model Railroad Association (the Gateway NMRA Division is at http://www.gatewaynmra.org/default.htm.)
265 modelers from the U.S. and Canada attended the event, bringing 1,350 models for display and operation.Attendees brought models of all scales, sizes and gauges, including rolling stock, structures, non-revenue equipment, modules, and other items pertaining to prototype railroad modeling for display and discussion. There are no contests at St. Louis RPMâ€"models were brought for discussion and so modelers can share their best work, techniques and new ideas with other modelers.
In addition to model displays, The Midwest Valley Modelers brought a large, operating 15 x 40-foot modular layout for display in our main lobby.
Clinics were provided by Charlie Duckworth (Modeling the MP Bagnell Branch), James McNab (Endless Horizon on the Grimes Line), Jason Klocke (Modeling the Corn Belt Route), Gerry Albers (Operating the Deepwater District), Ryan Crawford (C&IM Commodities in 1989), Dave Roeder (Ops Sessions: Getting Started), David Lehlbach (P-S Covered Hoppers 1940 â€" 1981), Jack Spencer (Transition-era Freight Car Brake Systems), Dave Schroedle (Easy Weathering with AIM Powders), Steven Funaro (Resin Freight Car Construction Techniques), Blaine Hadfield (ExactRail), and David Owens (C&EI Hoppers).Thank you for bringing new clinics, ideas and encouragement to the hobby, and for helping our event to be a big success.
Our event also featured a number of hands-on workstations, including The Weathering Shop (see their amazing website at http://theweatheringshop.com/), Dave Schroedle of Protoweathering.com, Grex Airbrushes, and Badger Airbrushes.
Our vendors included Bob’s Photos, Tangent Scale Models, Cannon& Co., Moloco, Plano, LokSound, ExactRail, Rails Unlimited, Funaro & Camerlengo, Railshop Ltd., ICG Custom Decals, Grex Airbrushes, CRM Hobbies, Big Four Graphics, American Model Builders, Badger Airbrush, Mike Gruber Photos, Stan Rydarowicz Models, John Fuller Photos, Moon Dog Railcars, Mask Island Decals, Mike Kelley books, OST Publications, and we were fortunate to debut a new company, Weathering Solutions.We also hosted the New York Central, Wabash, Missouri Pacific, C&EI, GM&O, Nickel Plate, Central of Georgia, Illinois Terminal, Terminal RR Association and C&NW historical societies.
Many thanks to our home layout hosts in St. Charles, Missouri, including John Russell and his amazing O-scale Rock Island transition-era layout, Ron Schlueter’s HO-scale 1956-era D&RGW Tennessee Pass layout, and Bill Wehmeiers HO scale M-K-T late 1960s Kansas City layout.
We are grateful to our vendors and historical societies for donating door prizes for our guests.We are also grateful for all the manufacturers that provided door prizes and other gifts and information for our attendees.As always, our crew was humbled by the generosity of manufacturers and our vendors.We would also like to thank the Terminal Railroad Association for donating 150 annual publications (a $35.00 value) for the first 150 attendees.Thanks to Larry Thomas and the boys at the TRRA HS for being so generous!
Photos will be posted shortly at our PBase website, located at http://www.pbase.com/golden1014.A printable flyer of our 2013 meet can be found at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htmand http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.pdf.
We’ll see you next year in St. Louis!Planning for our 2014 RPM Meetâ€"our eighth annual gatheringâ€"is already underway.We’ll get back with you soon with dates, locations, and more event details.If you have any comments on how we can do things better, or if you’d like to be a vendor or bring your historical society or modular layout, please don’t hesitate to contact John Golden at Golden1014@(812) 929-7181, or Lonnie Bathurst at bathurst@ (217) 556-0314.
Signed,
Lonnie Bathurst
Clark Propst
Loren Casey
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden

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Thank you for sharing some great modelling and stunning weathering photos it must have been a great meet.
Paul Doggett
bury England


Re: 2013 St. Louis RPM Meet Report

golden1014
 

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your kind comments. I have a long way to go ont he PBase site--still 150 photos to load, then captions, etc. I'll get to it as work, family, stuff allows.

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

--- In STMFC@..., "paul.doggett2472" <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:



--- In STMFC@..., John Golden <golden1014@> wrote:

Friends,                  The 2013 St. Louis Railroad Prototype Modeler’s (RPM) Meet was held on Friday, August 2nd and Saturday, August 3rd at the Gateway Convention Center in Collinsville, Illinois.The event was co-sponsored by the Gateway Division, Mid-Continent Region, National Model Railroad Association (the Gateway NMRA Division is at http://www.gatewaynmra.org/default.htm.)
265 modelers from the U.S. and Canada attended the event, bringing 1,350 models for display and operation.Attendees brought models of all scales, sizes and gauges, including rolling stock, structures, non-revenue equipment, modules, and other items pertaining to prototype railroad modeling for display and discussion. There are no contests at St. Louis RPMâ€"models were brought for discussion and so modelers can share their best work, techniques and new ideas with other modelers.
In addition to model displays, The Midwest Valley Modelers brought a large, operating 15 x 40-foot modular layout for display in our main lobby.
Clinics were provided by Charlie Duckworth (Modeling the MP Bagnell Branch), James McNab (Endless Horizon on the Grimes Line), Jason Klocke (Modeling the Corn Belt Route), Gerry Albers (Operating the Deepwater District), Ryan Crawford (C&IM Commodities in 1989), Dave Roeder (Ops Sessions: Getting Started), David Lehlbach (P-S Covered Hoppers 1940 â€" 1981), Jack Spencer (Transition-era Freight Car Brake Systems), Dave Schroedle (Easy Weathering with AIM Powders), Steven Funaro (Resin Freight Car Construction Techniques), Blaine Hadfield (ExactRail), and David Owens (C&EI Hoppers).Thank you for bringing new clinics, ideas and encouragement to the hobby, and for helping our event to be a big success.
Our event also featured a number of hands-on workstations, including The Weathering Shop (see their amazing website at http://theweatheringshop.com/), Dave Schroedle of Protoweathering.com, Grex Airbrushes, and Badger Airbrushes.
Our vendors included Bob’s Photos, Tangent Scale Models, Cannon& Co., Moloco, Plano, LokSound, ExactRail, Rails Unlimited, Funaro & Camerlengo, Railshop Ltd., ICG Custom Decals, Grex Airbrushes, CRM Hobbies, Big Four Graphics, American Model Builders, Badger Airbrush, Mike Gruber Photos, Stan Rydarowicz Models, John Fuller Photos, Moon Dog Railcars, Mask Island Decals, Mike Kelley books, OST Publications, and we were fortunate to debut a new company, Weathering Solutions.We also hosted the New York Central, Wabash, Missouri Pacific, C&EI, GM&O, Nickel Plate, Central of Georgia, Illinois Terminal, Terminal RR Association and C&NW historical societies.
Many thanks to our home layout hosts in St. Charles, Missouri, including John Russell and his amazing O-scale Rock Island transition-era layout, Ron Schlueter’s HO-scale 1956-era D&RGW Tennessee Pass layout, and Bill Wehmeiers HO scale M-K-T late 1960s Kansas City layout.
We are grateful to our vendors and historical societies for donating door prizes for our guests.We are also grateful for all the manufacturers that provided door prizes and other gifts and information for our attendees.As always, our crew was humbled by the generosity of manufacturers and our vendors.We would also like to thank the Terminal Railroad Association for donating 150 annual publications (a $35.00 value) for the first 150 attendees.Thanks to Larry Thomas and the boys at the TRRA HS for being so generous!
Photos will be posted shortly at our PBase website, located at http://www.pbase.com/golden1014.A printable flyer of our 2013 meet can be found at http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.htmand http://icg.home.mindspring.com/rpm/stlrpm.pdf.
We’ll see you next year in St. Louis!Planning for our 2014 RPM Meetâ€"our eighth annual gatheringâ€"is already underway.We’ll get back with you soon with dates, locations, and more event details.If you have any comments on how we can do things better, or if you’d like to be a vendor or bring your historical society or modular layout, please don’t hesitate to contact John Golden at Golden1014@(812) 929-7181, or Lonnie Bathurst at bathurst@ (217) 556-0314.
Signed,
Lonnie Bathurst
Clark Propst
Loren Casey
Dan Kohlberg
John Golden

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Thank you for sharing some great modelling and stunning weathering photos it must have been a great meet.
Paul Doggett
bury England


Re: interstate 94 - any preserved equipment to see on the way?

aaejj2j
 

Along US2 in through ND and eastern MT you will find GN cabooses at museum in Rugby and a park in Minot and then a GN steam loco in Williston. Then more GN cabooses in MT and another GN steam loco in Havre. Some additional old equipment which I do not remember. All very easy stops close to US2.
Farther south along I-94 in ND you can see some equipment including a 4-4-0 at a museum in West Fargo, then at Jamestown, and again just off the interstate in Mandan. All a bit of the interstate but more attraction for the family (except perhaps the Mandan RR museum). MT along I-94 I do not remember.
Tyrone Johnsen
Rockford, IL

--- In STMFC@..., Robert Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Hi there - I'll be heading west on highway 2 in North Dakota and then
interstate 94 most of tomorrow and Thursday (working my way to Portland
before heading north). Wondering what there might be to see in terms of
steam era preserved freight cars along that route. One or two stops is
about all the family will cope with so I'm interested in just about any
standard gauge possibilities.

Rob Kirkham


interstate 94 - any preserved equipment to see on the way?

Robert kirkham
 

Hi there - I'll be heading west on highway 2 in North Dakota and then interstate 94 most of tomorrow and Thursday (working my way to Portland before heading north). Wondering what there might be to see in terms of steam era preserved freight cars along that route. One or two stops is about all the family will cope with so I'm interested in just about any standard gauge possibilities.

Rob Kirkham


Re: G&F Hoppers / DL&Wquads

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 13, 2013, at 11:34 AM, MDelvec952@... wrote:

Those DL&W quads were in reality 300 cars purchased from the Boston & Maine, which are very close to the B&O quads represented by the blue-box Athearn car. I have a few in the closet that I hope will be so modified one day.

Pictures of these cars are not common -- maybe one or two have surfaced showing an entire car with any clarity. The partial cars show up and they appeared to be in the standard DL&W paint with the "Road of Anthracite" heralds nearly centered under the name.

Here's a photo of a batch of empties in 1954 that illustrates the anthracite region nearing the end of the anthracite era. Somewhere in this yard should be a couple of quads.
Mike, as you may know (but should keep it to yourself if you do), Broadway Limited is well along with product development on HO scale ARA quad hoppers. They intend to do a B&M version, and I'm sure would do a DL&W version as well if you could provide them with photographic evidence of the P/L scheme. I haven't a single photo of these cars - but then, my resources are slender on hoppers in general, since - for my owns purposes - hopper photos aren't very useful because I model Southern California in the late '40s, where eastern coal hoppers were less common than helium tank cars.


Richard Hendrickson


Re: G&F Hoppers / DL&Wquads

MDelvec952
 

Those DL&W quads were in reality 300 cars purchased from the Boston & Maine, which are very close to the B&O quads represented by the blue-box Athearn car. I have a few in the closet that I hope will be so modified one day.

Pictures of these cars are not common -- maybe one or two have surfaced showing an entire car with any clarity. The partial cars show up and they appeared to be in the standard DL&W paint with the "Road of Anthracite" heralds nearly centered under the name.

Here's a photo of a batch of empties in 1954 that illustrates the anthracite region nearing the end of the anthracite era. Somewhere in this yard should be a couple of quads.

I was a bidder but didn't win the slide.

....Mike Del Vecchio

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Sorry but I was unable find a photo of the DL&W quads. As I recall they were pretty typical offset cars...

ala the one produced many years back in HO by Athearn

Chuck Y



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Chuck,

Do you have any photos of these cars? Would be interesting to see.

THANKS!

-Chris Dills

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Charles R Yungkurth <drgwrail@...> wrote:

Pretty sure those G&H hopper cars were DL&W quqads. Lackawanna sold off all their fleet starting around in about 40 since industrial shipping of anthracite went down and retail coal dealers didn't want coal in large cars. In many places their coal trestles couldn't take the weight.
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It could be that the railraod changed the angle of the slope shhets from the 30 degrees cound in coal cars to the 60 degrees found in cement cars since most comodities other than coal won't flow down a 30 degree slope. When EL converted cement cars to ballat cars thye increased the slope sheets even more and some of them had paltes added to cover the wider space between the top of the car end and the upper edge of the slope sheet. So in essence, when coal hoppers were coverted to other uses the cubic fottage gnerally went down.
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Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder Colorado.
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Re: 36-foot boxcars

Robert kirkham
 

This topic depends a lot on the year of the discussion. For the Canadian Pacific fleet, the MP14 summary of equipment contains lists of cars by number series that were equipped with AB brakes in later years. (It also includes a list of cars with cast frame trucks). I have not spent the time to work through the data for my own 1946 period, but, for example, looking at the 1947 MP14, p. 75, the list of car series with AB brakes includes the following parts of the boxcar fleet:


car series # cars/series broad categorization
29019 - 29094 all 76 steel built 1937 (believe in passenger service)
221000 - 224449 all 3434 steel built 1938-40 (TLT '37 model and other options)
225000 - 225699 all 700 steel built 1936 (the 1932 ARA design - F&C kit)
226000 - 228799 all 2728 steal built 1937
239000 - 239249 all 250 steel frame, war time design, built 1943 (beautiful new Yarmouth Models kit)
240000 - 247499 3434 1929 mini-box design (slightly less than 1/2 fleet of 7421 cars) (coming TLT kit, also several older resin kits)
248350 - 254749 all 6394 steel built between 1941 and 1947 (TLT '37 model and other options)

for a total of 17016 cars. So no pre-1920's cars, and in particular, no Dominion boxcars (i.e "fowler" types).

The same list is found at page 80 of the 1952 MP14, showing some changes:

car series # cars/series broad categorization
29019 - 29115* 94 of 96 steel built 1937 (believe in passenger service)
221000 - 228799 all 6717 see above breakdown for multiple series encompassed in this group . Includes some 1932 design cars and 1937 cars
235000 - 238527 1919 of 3246 steel frame built 1920/21, similar to USRA single sheathed design with 7/8 ends, Tichy model
239000 - 239249 all 246 steel frame, war time design, built 1943 (beautiful new Yarmouth Models kit)
240000 - 247499 6396 of 7323 1929 - 30 mini-box design (slightly less than 1/2 fleet of 7421 cars) (coming TLT kit, also several older resin kits)
248350 - 265249 all 17192 steel built between 1941 and 1952 (several kitbashes for multiple '37 and modified '37 designs)
269600 - 269999 all 398 steel built 1949 (kitbash for modified '37 designs)

for a total of 32,962 cars.

*10 cars in this group were equipped with UC-1-12 brake equipment.

Still no Dominion (.i.e.. “fowler”) cars listed.

I don’t currently have access to a later MP 14 within the list’s era, although anyone interested might check the CPHA web page, where the documents library contains copies of many of these. As a modeller of the mid 40’s I haven’t looked that far into the 50’s and probably never will. However, a quick glance at the 1965 MP 14 still shows some Dominion/Fowler cars, but there is no list of cars with or without AB brakes, suggesting conversions of the few remaining cars to AB may have occurred.

That said, the number of 1937 and later design cars as a proportion of the North American fleet was very substantial, and all were equipped to travel south of the 49th.

Rob Kirkham

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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 4:10 PM
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--- In STMFC@..., "midrly" <lucas@...> wrote:


American modellers can readily exclude almost all Canadian 36' steel-frame "Fowler" boxcars from their layouts after the time that K brakes were outlawed in interchange in the US. Very few of these cars received AB brakes, and some CPR cars kept archbar trucks into the 1960's when they went into company service. The K brakes caused many cars to be restricted to service in Canada, most hauling grain by the 1950's.

CN and CP both invested heavily in steel and steel-frame 40' cars from the late 1920's. These cars were fitted quickly with AB brakes, and were far more often seen on US roads than the "Fowlers".

Horse hockey! There were plenty of Dominion cars, damn few met the requirements of the Fowler patent, coming down the Central Vermont and the Lyndonville Sub. of the CPR right through the 1940's though they began to dwindle after that. None-the-less they were not uncommon until the mid to late 1950's. In the early 1970's I took photos of a CPR Dominion stock car in White River Jct., VT and within a month or so a Grand Trunk Dominion type box car. While I didn't look I doubt they had K-brakes and suggest to you that more of the CNR's and CPR's Dominion cars may have received AB-brakes than you realize. Will check with the CNR's retired mechanical engineer, a personal friend of some thirty years, when he returns from visiting family in Alberta and see if we can get some numbers for at least the CNR.

Cordially, Don Valentine



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Re: G&F Hoppers

drgwrail
 

Sorry but I was unable find a photo of the DL&W quads. As I recall they were pretty typical offset cars...

ala the one produced many years back in HO by Athearn
 
Chuck Y

 

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: G&F Hoppers

 
Chuck,

Do you have any photos of these cars? Would be interesting to see.

THANKS!

-Chris Dills

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, Charles R Yungkurth <drgwrail@...> wrote:

Pretty sure those G&H hopper cars were DL&W quqads. Lackawanna sold off all their fleet starting around in about 40 since industrial shipping of anthracite went down and retail coal dealers didn't want coal in large cars. In many places their coal trestles couldn't take the weight.
 
It could be that the railraod changed the angle of the slope shhets from the 30 degrees cound in coal cars to the 60 degrees found in cement cars since most comodities other than coal won't flow down a 30 degree slope. When EL converted cement cars to ballat cars thye increased the slope sheets even more and some of them had paltes added to cover the wider space between the top of the car end and the upper edge of the slope sheet. So  in essence, when coal hoppers were coverted to other uses the cubic fottage gnerally went down.
 
Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder Colorado.



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