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Re: here are some more images...

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Claus you said enjoy. I sure did thank you.
Paul Doggett England

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List members,

At the risk of overwhelming everyone, here are some more images...

SLSW and GT 36 foot boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000405/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000406/resource/

B&O USRA single sheathed boxcar in bad condition
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/md0748.photos.086027p/resource/

B&O drop door gon in wreck
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006773/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006775/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006777/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006779/resource/

P&R boxcar in wreck
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006774/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006778/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006781/resource/

SP 50 foot single sheathed auto boxcar
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11200/8d11225v.jpg

Swift and C&NW reefers
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001010278/PP/resource/

PRR class GS gon
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11300/8d11338v.jpg

BAP (!) hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001011189/PP/resource/

C&NW single sheated box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001010311/PP/resource/

NYC gon with pipe load
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001011888/PP/resource/

DIAMOND tank car (wasn't there discussion regarding these recently?)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001012167/PP/resource/

SSW box car end view - 7-3-7 ribbed end panels!
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013037/PP/resource/

Tank car MPIX 1586
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013236/PP/resource/

Tank car fiesta
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013314/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013317/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013318/PP/resource/

Great flat car load
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013358/PP/resource/

Yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014041/PP/resource/

ATSF tank car string
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014170/PP/resource/

Phillips tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014184/PP/resource/

UP steel boxcar, unknown tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014209/PP/resource/

PSPX 2323 tank car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014227/PP/resource/

C&NW 47296 single sheathed box car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014836/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014837/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014849/PP/resource/

Overhead C&NW yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014846/PP/resource/

MP double sheated boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014853/PP/resource/

Yard views, Route of the 400 single sheathed boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014861/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014866/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014868/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014876/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014877/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014879/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014900/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014901/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014902/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014903/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014905/PP/resource/

CB&Q gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014908/PP/resource/

Stock cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014913/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014914/PP/resource/

C&NW quad hoper and USRA boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014931/PP/resource/

CB&Q gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015013/PP/resource/

GN double sheathed box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015016/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015017/PP/resource/

PRR_round_roof_auto_box_
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015026/PP/resource/

More yard shots
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015042/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015047/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015049/PP/resource/


Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?"
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/

PRR Class X23.  The horizontal members of the truss were often (but not always) removed from cars during their service lives.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=PRR_499656_X23_side_RS_Elkhart_IN.JPG&fr=clX23
 
As with the related Class X25 steel boxcar, these cars were massively overbuilt - Gary Rausch showed a photo of a Class X23 boxcar with a collapsed coaling tower on top of it.  The car was in surprisingly good shape.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Claus...

Thanks for another great image.

Based on the pattern of the pressed steel posts and braces, and the fact
that the door opens to the left, the car appears to be a rebuilt PRR X23.
In the late 1930's some were rebuilt by removing the original vertical
sheathing and horizontal bracing between the posts and braces, and
installing horizontal sheathing.

Eric Lombard


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Claus Schlund (HGM) <
claus@...> wrote:

**



Hi List Members,

Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left? Is this what is called a Warren
truss?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund



Re: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I can't quite make out the car number in this photo, but it appears to be
15339. It that is correct, it is, in fact a V car. Series 15000 - 15499
was built by Pressed Steel car in 1911 as 6500 gallon V cars. The spotting
feature would be that the heavy bottom sheet extends beyond the tank heads.
You can sort of see this in this picture. A large number of these cars were
dusted off and used in the buildup and during WWII in solid oil trains. But
they were not converted to AB brakes and so were rapidly retired after the
war.



I wish they had the higher definition scan of this photo available, we could
tell the number and other features more clearly.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?






Yes it appears to be a Type X. Only about 100 Type V's were built.

At 8/16/2013 02:58 PM Friday, you wrote:
Hi List members,

Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013105/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund


here are some more images...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List members,

At the risk of overwhelming everyone, here are some more images...

SLSW and GT 36 foot boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000405/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000406/resource/

B&O USRA single sheathed boxcar in bad condition
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/md0748.photos.086027p/resource/

B&O drop door gon in wreck
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006773/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006775/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006777/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006779/resource/

P&R boxcar in wreck
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006774/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006778/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006781/resource/

SP 50 foot single sheathed auto boxcar
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11200/8d11225v.jpg

Swift and C&NW reefers
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001010278/PP/resource/

PRR class GS gon
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11300/8d11338v.jpg

BAP (!) hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001011189/PP/resource/

C&NW single sheated box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001010311/PP/resource/

NYC gon with pipe load
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001011888/PP/resource/

DIAMOND tank car (wasn't there discussion regarding these recently?)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001012167/PP/resource/

SSW box car end view - 7-3-7 ribbed end panels!
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013037/PP/resource/

Tank car MPIX 1586
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013236/PP/resource/

Tank car fiesta
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013314/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013317/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013318/PP/resource/

Great flat car load
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013358/PP/resource/

Yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014041/PP/resource/

ATSF tank car string
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014170/PP/resource/

Phillips tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014184/PP/resource/

UP steel boxcar, unknown tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014209/PP/resource/

PSPX 2323 tank car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014227/PP/resource/

C&NW 47296 single sheathed box car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014836/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014837/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014849/PP/resource/

Overhead C&NW yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014846/PP/resource/

MP double sheated boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014853/PP/resource/

Yard views, Route of the 400 single sheathed boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014861/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014866/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014868/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014876/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014877/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014879/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014900/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014901/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014902/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014903/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014905/PP/resource/

CB&Q gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014908/PP/resource/

Stock cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014913/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014914/PP/resource/

C&NW quad hoper and USRA boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014931/PP/resource/

CB&Q gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015013/PP/resource/

GN double sheathed box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015016/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015017/PP/resource/

PRR_round_roof_auto_box_
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015026/PP/resource/

More yard shots
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015042/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015047/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015049/PP/resource/


Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: Some views of Hunter Tower...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Oops, wrong list! Apologies!

- Claus Schlund

-----Original Message-----
From: Claus Schlund (HGM) [mailto:claus@...]
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 06:31 AM
To: 'STMFC'
Subject: [STMFC] Some views of Hunter Tower...

Hi List members,

Some views of Hunter Tower...

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/nj1745.photos.348008p/resource/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/nj1745.photos.348009p/resource/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/nj1745.photos.348010p/resource/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/nj1745.photos.348011p/resource/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/nj1745.photos.348012p/resource/

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/nj1745.photos.348013p/resource/

Note the last image shows that the two center tracks were signalled for traffic in both directions.

Lastly, image of Sunnyside yard, as I understand it all the buildings are now gone.

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ny1317.photos.119193p/resource/

Enjoy - Claus Schlund






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Some views of Hunter Tower...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 


Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Hi List Members,

Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left? Is this what is called a Warren truss?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund


Re: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I will have to remind them about that error in the presentation. I think
that there are a few others, I haven't looked at that in a while. I have
done quite a bit of research into their archives (which are unfortunately
rather sparse) and I am quite sure about numbers of X (more that 7000) and V
cars (more than 4000.) Someday, I will get it into a publishable format.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 11:55 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?





Steve

I was just going by what I found on the Union Tank Car company's
own web site. See the page numbered "1901" --

http://www.utlx.com/pdf/TankCarHistory.pdf

Tim

At 8/17/2013 08:24 AM Saturday, you wrote:
Hi Tim,



Sorry, but there were more like 4 to 5 thousand V cars built, in all, most
of which were 6500 gallon size, but a fair number were 8, 10, even 12000
gallons.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?






Yes it appears to be a Type X. Only about 100 Type V's were built.

At 8/16/2013 02:58 PM Friday, you wrote:
Hi List members,

Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013105/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund


Re: Perusing RailPictures.net

al_brown03
 

West Palm?!?!? Wow! I should hie me to UCF and look up Orlando.

AL B.

--- In STMFC@..., "Charles Hostetler" <cnw1045@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@> wrote:

... but one might ask more specifically: (1) how far South was anthracite used for home heating? (2) how else was anthracite used? I'm not an expert on coal, and I wouldn't know where to look it up.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
Hi Al,

(1) I have a scan of the 1954/54 West Palm Beach City Directory, which puts us in the correct era and pretty far south. The Guaranty Warehouse Co. had a display advertisement touting its delivery service of efficient clean-burning anthracite. This is just an example I happened to be working on recently, but it is not uncommon to see similar ads for coal dealers as you peruse city directories across the south (from the 50s).

(2) Advantages (relative to bituminous and lignite) are clean burning, low ash, high heat content, higher combustion temperature. Drawback was cost. Besides residential use, the most frequent occurrences I have seen were in smelting, high-temperature metallurgy, and chemical manufacturing. Most of the ordinary "gray-iron" foundries (which are fairly low temperature processes) tended to use bituminous or coke from what I've been able to tell.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler
Goshen Ind.


Re: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

Jared Harper
 

Steve,

Please e-mail me off list at harperandbrown@....

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> wrote:

Hi Tim,



Sorry, but there were more like 4 to 5 thousand V cars built, in all, most
of which were 6500 gallon size, but a fair number were 8, 10, even 12000
gallons.



Regards,

Steve Hile



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?






Yes it appears to be a Type X. Only about 100 Type V's were built.

At 8/16/2013 02:58 PM Friday, you wrote:
Hi List members,

Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013105/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Rutland PS-1

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't know if I can agree with that Bill. Car exteriors were painted
after the whole car was assembled, so why wouldn't they paint the WHOLE
car according to the Rutland's instructions?

On the other hand, Pullman-Standard did produce some oddly painted cars.
For example, most C&NW PS-1 box cars had black ends and roofs -- but the
#24739 was delivered with box car red ends and roof. There's a beautiful
builder photo of this car so many vendors have painted some C&NW PS-1's
incorrectly, including Intermountain.

Tim O'

I'm well aware of the "yellow/silver roof". discussions.. But this thread
has presented some additional information that I was not aware of and might
shed a little light on this.

Erie cars of that time period often had unpainted galvanized roofs (note -
Not "painted silver"). If the first Rutland cars were in fact ex-Erie
orders, is it not likely that PS just painted the sides/ends as they would
have on the rest of the Erie order, leaving the roof unfinished?

Just sayin'..

Bill Schneider


roofs (was Re: Rutland PS-1)

Tim O'Connor
 

Armand, I don't think anyone would disagree that unpainted galvanized
does not mean "silver" or "aluminum" colored paint. I don't know of any
XM box cars that had such painted roofs, although there probably were
some. RB/RS/RP's of course are a different story... Recently vendors
have tried to mimic 'overspray' with varying degrees of success. Only
Athearn has done the dark seam caps + galvanized roof, and then only
on one model, too modern for this list.

Tim O'Connor


-------------------------------

The original cars were used extensively for PR purposes for the general public,but mainly for potential customers and may have had painted roofs.I have taken pictures from above and the paint did not fully cover the roof and appeared to be applied in an irregular pattern suggesting over-spray.I stand by my original statement that the roofs were not pained silver either ,but were unpainted. galvanize.I defer to Steve Mumley for additional comments.Armand Premo


Re: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Steve

I was just going by what I found on the Union Tank Car company's
own web site. See the page numbered "1901" --

http://www.utlx.com/pdf/TankCarHistory.pdf

Tim

At 8/17/2013 08:24 AM Saturday, you wrote:
Hi Tim,



Sorry, but there were more like 4 to 5 thousand V cars built, in all, most
of which were 6500 gallon size, but a fair number were 8, 10, even 12000
gallons.



Regards,

Steve Hile



_____

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?






Yes it appears to be a Type X. Only about 100 Type V's were built.

At 8/16/2013 02:58 PM Friday, you wrote:
Hi List members,

Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013105/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund


Re: Rutland PS-1

Armand Premo
 

The original cars were used extensively for PR purposes for the general public,but mainly for potential customers and may have had painted roofs.I have taken pictures from above and the paint did not fully cover the roof and appeared to be applied in an irregular pattern suggesting over-spray.I stand by my original statement that the roofs were not pained silver either ,but were unpainted. galvanize.I defer to Steve Mumley for additional comments.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Phillip Blancher
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rutland PS-1



That same article by Chris Martin states that the roofs were painted
yellow. Cars 100-107 were delivered to the Rutland in time for the county
fair that year. It is unknown if PS offered the 8 cars to get rid of them
and the Rutland, being a frugal New England road, got a deal. Or if the
Rutland went to PS and asked if they could get something quick in the new
scheme to show off. We likely will never know that. Either way, many
photos, colour and black and white, were taken of 100 when on display, and
it had a yellow roof.

From Martin's article, "If this theory holds water, the yellow roofs of
100-107 may have covered up the black roofs that were the Erie's
preference."

Phil

--
Phillip Blancher
http://about.me/phillipblancher

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Bill Schneider
<bschneider424@...>wrote:

> I'm well aware of the "yellow/silver roof". discussions.. But this thread
> has presented some additional information that I was not aware of and might
> shed a little light on this.
>
>
>
> Erie cars of that time period often had unpainted galvanized roofs (note -
> Not "painted silver"). If the first Rutland cars were in fact ex-Erie
> orders, is it not likely that PS just painted the sides/ends as they would
> have on the rest of the Erie order, leaving the roof unfinished?
>
>
>
> Just sayin'..
>
>
>
> Bill Schneider
>
>
>
> From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
> Phillip Blancher
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:53 AM
> To: STMFC@...
> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rutland PS-1
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, I am a member of the Yellow-Roof Society. That doesn't mean I don't
> believe some had unpainted Galvanized roofs. I haven't done a lot of
> research yet, but I suspect the Yellow Roof, Silver Roof issue has to deal
> with not all of the PS-1's coming from the same plant.
>
> Based just on the fact that there are 24 numbers available from various
> Intermountain releases vs 4 numbers from Kadee, I went with Intermountain.
> Earlier kits from Steamshack, Express Station and Intermountain needs
> updates such as metal roof walks, lettering improvements and other tweaks.
> Thankfully we have Plano roof walks and other detail parts. If you can get
> them, Jerry Glow makes decals to help fix the lettering on the earlier runs
> as well. The decals were designed with help from many in the RRHS and lots
> of photos.
>
> Phil
>
> --
> Phillip Blancher
> http://about.me/phillipblancher
>
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...
> <mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> >wrote:
>
> > Phil
> >
> > Uh-oh, you're not one of the "yellow roofers" are ya? :-)
> >
> > Clearly, some had yellow roofs, some did not. Has anyone ever
> > figured out which cars had which?
> >
> > I'm looking at a nice photo of brand new R #248, with a plain
> > galvanized roof and black seam caps. This is one of Kadee's
> > car numbers, but not Steamshack's.
> >
> > Tim O'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >Bill,
> > >
> > >These have not been done by Kadee, but they have been by "The
> Steamshack",
> > >a hobby shop in Rutland, VT as kits or RTR. Roger Dumas owns The
> > Steamshack
> > >and is involved with the RRHS. The later runs, which were done by
> > >Intermountain, are considered by many as the most accurate of all models
> > of
> > >the Rutland PS-1's. The lettering comes from paint diagrams from the
> > >Rutland, have metal roof-walks, yellow roofs, proper brake wheel and
> metal
> > >wheel sets. When I last talked to Roger a month or so ago, he had some
> RTR
> > >cars left, but I don't recall what numbers they were that he had.
> > >
> > >Steamshack's contact information - *The Steam Shack*. 98 Allen Street, *
> > >Rutland*, *Vermont* USA 05701. Telephone: 802-775-1679
> > >
> > >If you'd like to know what numbers were made, go to
> > >http://www.rutlandrr.org/resources/models/ . There is a listing of
> PS-1's
> > >that have been done in HO scale.
> > >
> > >Hope this helps.
> > >
> > >Phil
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Re: Rutland PS-1

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

That same article by Chris Martin states that the roofs were painted
yellow. Cars 100-107 were delivered to the Rutland in time for the county
fair that year. It is unknown if PS offered the 8 cars to get rid of them
and the Rutland, being a frugal New England road, got a deal. Or if the
Rutland went to PS and asked if they could get something quick in the new
scheme to show off. We likely will never know that. Either way, many
photos, colour and black and white, were taken of 100 when on display, and
it had a yellow roof.

From Martin's article, "If this theory holds water, the yellow roofs of
100-107 may have covered up the black roofs that were the Erie's
preference."

Phil


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On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Bill Schneider
<bschneider424@...>wrote:

I'm well aware of the "yellow/silver roof". discussions.. But this thread
has presented some additional information that I was not aware of and might
shed a little light on this.



Erie cars of that time period often had unpainted galvanized roofs (note -
Not "painted silver"). If the first Rutland cars were in fact ex-Erie
orders, is it not likely that PS just painted the sides/ends as they would
have on the rest of the Erie order, leaving the roof unfinished?



Just sayin'..



Bill Schneider



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Phillip Blancher
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rutland PS-1





Yes, I am a member of the Yellow-Roof Society. That doesn't mean I don't
believe some had unpainted Galvanized roofs. I haven't done a lot of
research yet, but I suspect the Yellow Roof, Silver Roof issue has to deal
with not all of the PS-1's coming from the same plant.

Based just on the fact that there are 24 numbers available from various
Intermountain releases vs 4 numbers from Kadee, I went with Intermountain.
Earlier kits from Steamshack, Express Station and Intermountain needs
updates such as metal roof walks, lettering improvements and other tweaks.
Thankfully we have Plano roof walks and other detail parts. If you can get
them, Jerry Glow makes decals to help fix the lettering on the earlier runs
as well. The decals were designed with help from many in the RRHS and lots
of photos.

Phil

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http://about.me/phillipblancher

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...
<mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> >wrote:

Phil

Uh-oh, you're not one of the "yellow roofers" are ya? :-)

Clearly, some had yellow roofs, some did not. Has anyone ever
figured out which cars had which?

I'm looking at a nice photo of brand new R #248, with a plain
galvanized roof and black seam caps. This is one of Kadee's
car numbers, but not Steamshack's.

Tim O'





Bill,

These have not been done by Kadee, but they have been by "The
Steamshack",
a hobby shop in Rutland, VT as kits or RTR. Roger Dumas owns The
Steamshack
and is involved with the RRHS. The later runs, which were done by
Intermountain, are considered by many as the most accurate of all models
of
the Rutland PS-1's. The lettering comes from paint diagrams from the
Rutland, have metal roof-walks, yellow roofs, proper brake wheel and
metal
wheel sets. When I last talked to Roger a month or so ago, he had some
RTR
cars left, but I don't recall what numbers they were that he had.

Steamshack's contact information - *The Steam Shack*. 98 Allen Street, *
Rutland*, *Vermont* USA 05701. Telephone: 802-775-1679

If you'd like to know what numbers were made, go to
http://www.rutlandrr.org/resources/models/ . There is a listing of
PS-1's
that have been done in HO scale.

Hope this helps.

Phil


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Re: Rutland PS-1

Bill Schneider
 

I'm well aware of the "yellow/silver roof". discussions.. But this thread
has presented some additional information that I was not aware of and might
shed a little light on this.



Erie cars of that time period often had unpainted galvanized roofs (note -
Not "painted silver"). If the first Rutland cars were in fact ex-Erie
orders, is it not likely that PS just painted the sides/ends as they would
have on the rest of the Erie order, leaving the roof unfinished?



Just sayin'..



Bill Schneider



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Phillip Blancher
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:53 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Rutland PS-1





Yes, I am a member of the Yellow-Roof Society. That doesn't mean I don't
believe some had unpainted Galvanized roofs. I haven't done a lot of
research yet, but I suspect the Yellow Roof, Silver Roof issue has to deal
with not all of the PS-1's coming from the same plant.

Based just on the fact that there are 24 numbers available from various
Intermountain releases vs 4 numbers from Kadee, I went with Intermountain.
Earlier kits from Steamshack, Express Station and Intermountain needs
updates such as metal roof walks, lettering improvements and other tweaks.
Thankfully we have Plano roof walks and other detail parts. If you can get
them, Jerry Glow makes decals to help fix the lettering on the earlier runs
as well. The decals were designed with help from many in the RRHS and lots
of photos.

Phil

--
Phillip Blancher
http://about.me/phillipblancher

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...
<mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> >wrote:

Phil

Uh-oh, you're not one of the "yellow roofers" are ya? :-)

Clearly, some had yellow roofs, some did not. Has anyone ever
figured out which cars had which?

I'm looking at a nice photo of brand new R #248, with a plain
galvanized roof and black seam caps. This is one of Kadee's
car numbers, but not Steamshack's.

Tim O'





Bill,

These have not been done by Kadee, but they have been by "The
Steamshack",
a hobby shop in Rutland, VT as kits or RTR. Roger Dumas owns The
Steamshack
and is involved with the RRHS. The later runs, which were done by
Intermountain, are considered by many as the most accurate of all models
of
the Rutland PS-1's. The lettering comes from paint diagrams from the
Rutland, have metal roof-walks, yellow roofs, proper brake wheel and
metal
wheel sets. When I last talked to Roger a month or so ago, he had some
RTR
cars left, but I don't recall what numbers they were that he had.

Steamshack's contact information - *The Steam Shack*. 98 Allen Street, *
Rutland*, *Vermont* USA 05701. Telephone: 802-775-1679

If you'd like to know what numbers were made, go to
http://www.rutlandrr.org/resources/models/ . There is a listing of PS-1's
that have been done in HO scale.

Hope this helps.

Phil


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Re: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Tim,



Sorry, but there were more like 4 to 5 thousand V cars built, in all, most
of which were 6500 gallon size, but a fair number were 8, 10, even 12000
gallons.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?






Yes it appears to be a Type X. Only about 100 Type V's were built.

At 8/16/2013 02:58 PM Friday, you wrote:
Hi List members,

Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013105/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund


Re: Rutland PS-1

Armand Premo
 

Tim,You reopened an old wound.Silver roofs or Yellow roofs or merely an over-spray which was not uncommon.Actually the roofs were unpainted galvanize and not painted silver.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 12:41 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rutland PS-1



Phil

Uh-oh, you're not one of the "yellow roofers" are ya? :-)

Clearly, some had yellow roofs, some did not. Has anyone ever
figured out which cars had which?

I'm looking at a nice photo of brand new R #248, with a plain
galvanized roof and black seam caps. This is one of Kadee's
car numbers, but not Steamshack's.

Tim O'

>Bill,
>
>These have not been done by Kadee, but they have been by "The Steamshack",
>a hobby shop in Rutland, VT as kits or RTR. Roger Dumas owns The Steamshack
>and is involved with the RRHS. The later runs, which were done by
>Intermountain, are considered by many as the most accurate of all models of
>the Rutland PS-1's. The lettering comes from paint diagrams from the
>Rutland, have metal roof-walks, yellow roofs, proper brake wheel and metal
>wheel sets. When I last talked to Roger a month or so ago, he had some RTR
>cars left, but I don't recall what numbers they were that he had.
>
>Steamshack's contact information - *The Steam Shack*. 98 Allen Street, *
>Rutland*, *Vermont* USA 05701. Telephone: 802-775-1679
>
>If you'd like to know what numbers were made, go to
>http://www.rutlandrr.org/resources/models/ . There is a listing of PS-1's
>that have been done in HO scale.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Phil


Re: Rutland PS-1

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

Yes, I am a member of the Yellow-Roof Society. That doesn't mean I don't
believe some had unpainted Galvanized roofs. I haven't done a lot of
research yet, but I suspect the Yellow Roof, Silver Roof issue has to deal
with not all of the PS-1's coming from the same plant.

Based just on the fact that there are 24 numbers available from various
Intermountain releases vs 4 numbers from Kadee, I went with Intermountain.
Earlier kits from Steamshack, Express Station and Intermountain needs
updates such as metal roof walks, lettering improvements and other tweaks.
Thankfully we have Plano roof walks and other detail parts. If you can get
them, Jerry Glow makes decals to help fix the lettering on the earlier runs
as well. The decals were designed with help from many in the RRHS and lots
of photos.

Phil


--
Phillip Blancher
http://about.me/phillipblancher

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>wrote:

Phil

Uh-oh, you're not one of the "yellow roofers" are ya? :-)

Clearly, some had yellow roofs, some did not. Has anyone ever
figured out which cars had which?

I'm looking at a nice photo of brand new R #248, with a plain
galvanized roof and black seam caps. This is one of Kadee's
car numbers, but not Steamshack's.

Tim O'





Bill,

These have not been done by Kadee, but they have been by "The Steamshack",
a hobby shop in Rutland, VT as kits or RTR. Roger Dumas owns The
Steamshack
and is involved with the RRHS. The later runs, which were done by
Intermountain, are considered by many as the most accurate of all models
of
the Rutland PS-1's. The lettering comes from paint diagrams from the
Rutland, have metal roof-walks, yellow roofs, proper brake wheel and metal
wheel sets. When I last talked to Roger a month or so ago, he had some RTR
cars left, but I don't recall what numbers they were that he had.

Steamshack's contact information - *The Steam Shack*. 98 Allen Street, *
Rutland*, *Vermont* USA 05701. Telephone: 802-775-1679

If you'd like to know what numbers were made, go to
http://www.rutlandrr.org/resources/models/ . There is a listing of PS-1's
that have been done in HO scale.

Hope this helps.

Phil


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