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Re: Looking for Photos or diagrams of PRR type FF Flatcars

Craig Bisgeier
 

Well stop the presses, I have a winner. A friend who saw my request on another forum provided me with photos of the car and some documentation. Seems there were only two ever built, in 1893, and there isn't a whole lot to know about them except they were built to carry a large german naval gun to the Columbian Exposition of 1893. They were used after that as heavy-duty 50-ton flatcars in a time when most cars being constructed were only capable of carrying 25-30 tons.

Thanks to those who took the time to look.

Craig Bisgeier

--- In STMFC@..., "DarkTerritory" <cbisgeier@...> wrote:

Hi Folks

Hope someone can help - I'm looking for detailed diagrams of photos of an older style of Pennsylvania RR Flat car - the FF. It's possible some of these lasted in MOW service into the steam era. I'm looking for photos of then in revenue service as I'm trying to build a model of one.

I have found references that some information may be found in this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Pennsylvania-Railroad-Flat-Cars-Equipment/dp/098214850X

I do not own this book, I'm hoping that someone might be able to help me by providing scans of any information on this car there is. If there is enough good information I have no problem purchasing a copy, but at least I'd like to be sure the data would be helpful before spending $40-50 in it.

Thanks in advance if you can help!

Craig Bisgeier
cbisgeier -at- yahoo -dot- com


Re: Bessemer & Lake Erie large herald date

Tim O'Connor
 

Elden, the earliest I've seen appear to have 1960 stencil dates, but
that's from fairly low-res images. It's on the borderline of the STMFC.

Tim O'

At 8/19/2013 04:03 PM Monday, you wrote:
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Nicely put, Tim!

The earliest ones I have been able to ID were those XM-5 rebuilt c.'60. I have not been able to find earlier examples.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Bessemer & Lake Erie large herald date




As the Sheriff might say, what herald is that? No such herald exists
at this time, although railroad executives may be contemplating it at
this very moment...

Tim O'Connor

Can someone please comment authoritatively when the large herald used by the
Bessemer & Lake Erie was first applied. Thank you!
Bill Welch


Looking for Photos or diagrams of PRR type FF Flatcars

Craig Bisgeier
 

Hi Folks

Hope someone can help - I'm looking for detailed diagrams of photos of an older style of Pennsylvania RR Flat car - the FF. It's possible some of these lasted in MOW service into the steam era. I'm looking for photos of then in revenue service as I'm trying to build a model of one.

I have found references that some information may be found in this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Pennsylvania-Railroad-Flat-Cars-Equipment/dp/098214850X

I do not own this book, I'm hoping that someone might be able to help me by providing scans of any information on this car there is. If there is enough good information I have no problem purchasing a copy, but at least I'd like to be sure the data would be helpful before spending $40-50 in it.

Thanks in advance if you can help!

Craig Bisgeier
cbisgeier -at- yahoo -dot- com


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Bessemer & Lake Erie large herald date (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Nicely put, Tim!

The earliest ones I have been able to ID were those XM-5 rebuilt c.'60. I have not been able to find earlier examples.

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:44 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Bessemer & Lake Erie large herald date




As the Sheriff might say, what herald is that? No such herald exists
at this time, although railroad executives may be contemplating it at
this very moment...

Tim O'Connor

Can someone please comment authoritatively when the large herald used by the
Bessemer & Lake Erie was first applied. Thank you!
Bill Welch




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: Yet more LoC images...

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks again, Claus... I nominate Jack Delano as patron saint of STMFC. So
many more images he took during WWII that I had not seen previously!

Eric


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Claus Schlund (HGM) <
claus@...> wrote:

**


Yet more LoC images...

Possible IHB (!) reefers awaiting icing
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016254/PP/resource/

Allis-Chalmers load on flat cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016320/PP/resource/

Possible NYC ds USRA boxcar end view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016327/PP/resource/

Mix of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016328/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016331/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016332/PP/resource/

String of boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001017658/PP/resource/

MSTL 18442 box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001018833/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001018834/PP/resource/

Military tanks on flat cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020951/PP/resource/

GN auto box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020955/PP/resource/

Nice pipe load on unidentified gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020957/PP/resource/

Sorry about those tank cars...
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020960/PP/resource/

Uh, yeah, and the sectional side ATSF boxcars too...
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020961/PP/resource/

ATSF reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020999/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022099/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022512/PP/resource/

MP twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021031/PP/resource/

C&O double sheathed box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021089/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021158/PP/resource/

ATSF 17x415 Caswell gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021103/PP/resource/

Helium car!
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021161/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021163/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021164/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021171/PP/

Possible MILW box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021183/PP/

Tank cars at refinery
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021289/PP/resource/

SOU auto box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021312/PP/resource/

UP 473625 steel auto box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021313/PP/resource/

GN 51300 box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021376/PP/resource/

C&NW 46926 roof view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021375/PP/resource/

ATSF boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021454/PP/resource/

Possible PRR class F22 flats with naval gun and D&H flat spacer car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021504/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021508/PP/resource/

ATSF stock cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021991/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021993/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022002/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022364/PP/resource/

PRR class X23 boxcar a long way from home
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022020/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022195/PP/resource/

NYC box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022150/PP/resource/

ATSF tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022674/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022675/PP/resource/

IC steel boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022676/PP/resource/

Yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022761/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022762/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022764/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022811/PP/resource/

MP 93670 box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022773/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022787/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022788/PP/

ATSF reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022784/PP/

flats with military trucks
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022790/PP/

Western road hoppers and gns
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022812/PP/resource/

Phillips tank
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022817/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022819/PP/resource/

Enjoy - Claus Schlund



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Yet more LoC images...

Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
 

Yet more LoC images...

Possible IHB (!) reefers awaiting icing
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016254/PP/resource/

Allis-Chalmers load on flat cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016320/PP/resource/

Possible NYC ds USRA boxcar end view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016327/PP/resource/

Mix of boxcars at grain elevator
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016328/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016331/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001016332/PP/resource/

String of boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001017658/PP/resource/

MSTL 18442 box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001018833/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001018834/PP/resource/

Military tanks on flat cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020951/PP/resource/

GN auto box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020955/PP/resource/

Nice pipe load on unidentified gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020957/PP/resource/

Sorry about those tank cars...
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020960/PP/resource/

Uh, yeah, and the sectional side ATSF boxcars too...
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020961/PP/resource/

ATSF reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001020999/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022099/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022512/PP/resource/

MP twin hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021031/PP/resource/

C&O double sheathed box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021089/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021158/PP/resource/

ATSF 17x415 Caswell gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021103/PP/resource/

Helium car!
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021161/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021163/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021164/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021171/PP/

Possible MILW box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021183/PP/

Tank cars at refinery
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021289/PP/resource/

SOU auto box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021312/PP/resource/

UP 473625 steel auto box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021313/PP/resource/

GN 51300 box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021376/PP/resource/

C&NW 46926 roof view
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021375/PP/resource/

ATSF boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021454/PP/resource/

Possible PRR class F22 flats with naval gun and D&H flat spacer car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021504/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021508/PP/resource/

ATSF stock cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021991/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001021993/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022002/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022364/PP/resource/

PRR class X23 boxcar a long way from home
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022020/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022195/PP/resource/

NYC box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022150/PP/resource/

ATSF tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022674/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022675/PP/resource/

IC steel boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022676/PP/resource/

Yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022761/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022762/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022764/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022811/PP/resource/

MP 93670 box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022773/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022787/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022788/PP/

ATSF reefer
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022784/PP/

flats with military trucks
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022790/PP/

Western road hoppers and gns
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022812/PP/resource/

Phillips tank
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022817/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001022819/PP/resource/


Enjoy - Claus Schlund


Re: here are some more images...

Bruce Smith
 

Hobi,

Additionally, it's membership in class X31C can been confirmed in the following spotting features:
flush roof eave - must be class X31B or X31C
Evans auto loaders (vertical fixture behind upper end grab and chain tubes under the floor - must be X31C

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Aug 19, 2013, at 8:19 AM, Hobi Point wrote:

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11400/8d11438v.jpg

If I see right, the number on the Pennsy boxcar is 62996, which would make
it X31c class.






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Re: here are some more images...

Hobi Point
 

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11400/8d11438v.jpg

If I see right, the number on the Pennsy boxcar is 62996, which would make
it X31c class.


Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

ronald parisi
 

Claus:

Thanks for posting...they are great

Ron Parisi


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:03 AM, paul.doggett2472 <
paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

**


At the moment the links via yahoo are working for me
Paul Doggett

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

I did try Google for the search and typed in the entire string. Google,
unlike IE. got me to one of the pictures, not the Library of Congress site.
Will try more later.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@> wrote:

Guys -

I think it is something that Yahoo has done. I have IE6 and am having
the same trouble in each of my Yahoo groups, except for images in the
"BullShippers" Yahoo group - the links there still work the old way! In
other words, the link shows up in blue and you can click on it
successfully! What is going on here??

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@> wrote:

Ditto, but also when I write down and type the
www.lov.govfas.....etc in on Yahoo search I get the Library of Congress
photos, but a message it can't find those photos. Hmmmm. I did go to the
latest Internet Explorer recently. A move I now regret.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "brian" <brianleppert@> wrote:

ED, I have the same problem. Until just recently, those links
would show up in blue and clicking on them worked just fine. Not any more.
Now they are black like everything else and clicking does nothing. I have
the same problem on the MFCL Yahoo group.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "EdwardM" <ed_mines@> wrote:

Is there some reason why I can't click on these? I used to be
able to.
Is it my computer or does everyone have this problem?

Ed Mines


Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

At the moment the links via yahoo are working for me
Paul Doggett

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

I did try Google for the search and typed in the entire string. Google, unlike IE. got me to one of the pictures, not the Library of Congress site. Will try more later.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@> wrote:

Guys -

I think it is something that Yahoo has done. I have IE6 and am having the same trouble in each of my Yahoo groups, except for images in the "BullShippers" Yahoo group - the links there still work the old way! In other words, the link shows up in blue and you can click on it successfully! What is going on here??

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@> wrote:

Ditto, but also when I write down and type the www.lov.govfas.....etc in on Yahoo search I get the Library of Congress photos, but a message it can't find those photos. Hmmmm. I did go to the latest Internet Explorer recently. A move I now regret.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "brian" <brianleppert@> wrote:

ED, I have the same problem. Until just recently, those links would show up in blue and clicking on them worked just fine. Not any more. Now they are black like everything else and clicking does nothing. I have the same problem on the MFCL Yahoo group.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "EdwardM" <ed_mines@> wrote:

Is there some reason why I can't click on these? I used to be able to.
Is it my computer or does everyone have this problem?

Ed Mines


Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

George Courtney
 

I did try Google for the search and typed in the entire string. Google, unlike IE. got me to one of the pictures, not the Library of Congress site. Will try more later.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "proto48er" <atkott@...> wrote:

Guys -

I think it is something that Yahoo has done. I have IE6 and am having the same trouble in each of my Yahoo groups, except for images in the "BullShippers" Yahoo group - the links there still work the old way! In other words, the link shows up in blue and you can click on it successfully! What is going on here??

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@> wrote:

Ditto, but also when I write down and type the www.lov.govfas.....etc in on Yahoo search I get the Library of Congress photos, but a message it can't find those photos. Hmmmm. I did go to the latest Internet Explorer recently. A move I now regret.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "brian" <brianleppert@> wrote:

ED, I have the same problem. Until just recently, those links would show up in blue and clicking on them worked just fine. Not any more. Now they are black like everything else and clicking does nothing. I have the same problem on the MFCL Yahoo group.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "EdwardM" <ed_mines@> wrote:

Is there some reason why I can't click on these? I used to be able to.
Is it my computer or does everyone have this problem?

Ed Mines


Re: ID freight cars at Chehalis

Brad Andonian
 

Robert,
 
I pass this regularly, not sure about history of ownership of the cars.    However, here is a link to their website; I am sure you can query them and find out---its great to have a few of these outlets left!    Snoqualmie is ok and the Mt Rainier Scenic is supposed to be the best in our area...
Cheers,
Brad Andonian
 
http://steamtrainride.com/about/

From: Robert Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2013 1:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] ID freight cars at Chehalis

 
I was driving up Interstate Highway 5 yesterday and had a 5 minute stop at Chehalis WA, where there are 10 or more steam era freight cars (with the possible exception of some flat cars that may be more recent).

I took quick snap shots - awaiting moderator approval. The cars are numbered as follows:
a.. steel boxcar - LNWX 201
b.. double sheathed boxcar - LNWX 230
c.. steel boxcar - LNWX 200
d.. closed hopper - obliterated
e.. gon - LNWX 300
f.. Steel ribbed boxcar - MILW 33283 (I think I figured that one out!)
g.. drop centre flat – no number evident
h.. flat (no reporting mark) #647
i.. plus others out of site from my vantage point.

I’ve posted some snaps in a folder titled “Chehalis WA rolling stock”, which will hopefully be approved shortly.

I’d appreciate some help determining the steam-era ownership of any of the cars (except the MILW car, of course). Anyone know how they came to be collected by the Chehalis-Centralia Railroad & Museum?

Rob Kirkham






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Re: Some steam era freight car content on the Library of Congress site

proto48er
 

Guys -

I think it is something that Yahoo has done. I have IE6 and am having the same trouble in each of my Yahoo groups, except for images in the "BullShippers" Yahoo group - the links there still work the old way! In other words, the link shows up in blue and you can click on it successfully! What is going on here??

A.T. Kott

--- In STMFC@..., "gsc3" <gsc3@...> wrote:

Ditto, but also when I write down and type the www.lov.govfas.....etc in on Yahoo search I get the Library of Congress photos, but a message it can't find those photos. Hmmmm. I did go to the latest Internet Explorer recently. A move I now regret.

George Courtney

--- In STMFC@..., "brian" <brianleppert@> wrote:

ED, I have the same problem. Until just recently, those links would show up in blue and clicking on them worked just fine. Not any more. Now they are black like everything else and clicking does nothing. I have the same problem on the MFCL Yahoo group.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "EdwardM" <ed_mines@> wrote:

Is there some reason why I can't click on these? I used to be able to.
Is it my computer or does everyone have this problem?

Ed Mines


ID freight cars at Chehalis

Robert kirkham
 

I was driving up Interstate Highway 5 yesterday and had a 5 minute stop at Chehalis WA, where there are 10 or more steam era freight cars (with the possible exception of some flat cars that may be more recent).

I took quick snap shots - awaiting moderator approval. The cars are numbered as follows:
a.. steel boxcar - LNWX 201
b.. double sheathed boxcar - LNWX 230
c.. steel boxcar - LNWX 200
d.. closed hopper - obliterated
e.. gon - LNWX 300
f.. Steel ribbed boxcar - MILW 33283 (I think I figured that one out!)
g.. drop centre flat – no number evident
h.. flat (no reporting mark) #647
i.. plus others out of site from my vantage point.

I’ve posted some snaps in a folder titled “Chehalis WA rolling stock”, which will hopefully be approved shortly.

I’d appreciate some help determining the steam-era ownership of any of the cars (except the MILW car, of course). Anyone know how they came to be collected by the Chehalis-Centralia Railroad & Museum?

Rob Kirkham


Re: Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Tony Thompson
 

Claus Schlund wrote:
Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left? Is this what is called a Warren truss?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/
Yes. though here, as in bridges, the vertical posts are for convenience, not necessity.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Charles Hladik
 

Claus,
Attached are some different trusses.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 8/18/2013 12:01:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
claus@... writes:





Hi List Members,

Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left? Is this what is called a Warren
truss?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund






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Re: here are some more images...

paul.doggett2472 <paul.doggett2472@...>
 

Claus you said enjoy. I sure did thank you.
Paul Doggett England

--- In STMFC@..., "Claus Schlund (HGM)" <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List members,

At the risk of overwhelming everyone, here are some more images...

SLSW and GT 36 foot boxcars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000405/resource/
and again at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000406/resource/

B&O USRA single sheathed boxcar in bad condition
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/md0748.photos.086027p/resource/

B&O drop door gon in wreck
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006773/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006775/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006777/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006779/resource/

P&R boxcar in wreck
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006774/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006778/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/npc2007006781/resource/

SP 50 foot single sheathed auto boxcar
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11200/8d11225v.jpg

Swift and C&NW reefers
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001010278/PP/resource/

PRR class GS gon
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/service/pnp/fsa/8d11000/8d11300/8d11338v.jpg

BAP (!) hopper
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001011189/PP/resource/

C&NW single sheated box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001010311/PP/resource/

NYC gon with pipe load
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001011888/PP/resource/

DIAMOND tank car (wasn't there discussion regarding these recently?)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001012167/PP/resource/

SSW box car end view - 7-3-7 ribbed end panels!
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013037/PP/resource/

Tank car MPIX 1586
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013236/PP/resource/

Tank car fiesta
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013314/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013317/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013318/PP/resource/

Great flat car load
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013358/PP/resource/

Yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014041/PP/resource/

ATSF tank car string
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014170/PP/resource/

Phillips tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014184/PP/resource/

UP steel boxcar, unknown tank cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014209/PP/resource/

PSPX 2323 tank car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014227/PP/resource/

C&NW 47296 single sheathed box car
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014836/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014837/PP/resource/
and also at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014849/PP/resource/

Overhead C&NW yard shot
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014846/PP/resource/

MP double sheated boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014853/PP/resource/

Yard views, Route of the 400 single sheathed boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014861/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014866/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014868/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014876/PP/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014877/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014879/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014900/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014901/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014902/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014903/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014905/PP/resource/

CB&Q gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014908/PP/resource/

Stock cars
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014913/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014914/PP/resource/

C&NW quad hoper and USRA boxcar
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001014931/PP/resource/

CB&Q gon
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015013/PP/resource/

GN double sheathed box
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015016/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015017/PP/resource/

PRR_round_roof_auto_box_
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015026/PP/resource/

More yard shots
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015042/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015047/PP/resource/
and at
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015049/PP/resource/


Enjoy!

- Claus Schlund


Re: Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Benjamin Hom
 

Claus Schlund asked:
"Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?"
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/

PRR Class X23.  The horizontal members of the truss were often (but not always) removed from cars during their service lives.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=PRR_499656_X23_side_RS_Elkhart_IN.JPG&fr=clX23
 
As with the related Class X25 steel boxcar, these cars were massively overbuilt - Gary Rausch showed a photo of a Class X23 boxcar with a collapsed coaling tower on top of it.  The car was in surprisingly good shape.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left?

Eric Lombard
 

Hello, Claus...

Thanks for another great image.

Based on the pattern of the pressed steel posts and braces, and the fact
that the door opens to the left, the car appears to be a rebuilt PRR X23.
In the late 1930's some were rebuilt by removing the original vertical
sheathing and horizontal bracing between the posts and braces, and
installing horizontal sheathing.

Eric Lombard


On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 8:30 AM, Claus Schlund (HGM) <
claus@...> wrote:

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Hi List Members,

Can anyone ID the boxcar on the left? Is this what is called a Warren
truss?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001015034/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund



Re: Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I can't quite make out the car number in this photo, but it appears to be
15339. It that is correct, it is, in fact a V car. Series 15000 - 15499
was built by Pressed Steel car in 1911 as 6500 gallon V cars. The spotting
feature would be that the heavy bottom sheet extends beyond the tank heads.
You can sort of see this in this picture. A large number of these cars were
dusted off and used in the buildup and during WWII in solid oil trains. But
they were not converted to AB brakes and so were rapidly retired after the
war.



I wish they had the higher definition scan of this photo available, we could
tell the number and other features more clearly.



Regards,

Steve Hile



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 5:33 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?






Yes it appears to be a Type X. Only about 100 Type V's were built.

At 8/16/2013 02:58 PM Friday, you wrote:
Hi List members,

Can this be a ULX type V or X tank car?

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/owi2001013105/PP/resource/

- Claus Schlund

77681 - 77700 of 195521