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Re: CB&Q SS boxcars with composite ends & wood doors

Benjamin Scanlon
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

I wrote:
"Other prototypes of the Z-section truss cars with composite ends include CB&Q,
CNJ, MEC, SP/T&NO, and VGN, though these prototypes differ in detail."

There are shots of what seems to be two series of CB&Q composite SS cars in the RMJ article on the Accurail cars.

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10391/february-1993-page-17

132200 - 132249 - said to have been converted to stock cars in the 1930s, but another group with numbers in the 131000 series apparently weren't. This shot was from 1940.

http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/144/10395/february-1993-page-21

They were quite low-slung for reasons I cannot fathom because the caption below the photo has gotten muddled up.

I am not sure if the Accurail one could be used to model this wagon, nor how long this series lasted in service. Any detail would be welcome.

Benjamin


Gerry Glow status and thread is now terminated

Mikebrock
 

Guys,
Obviously, there have been quite a few messages concerning "slow" or no responses from Gerry Glow concerning decals that various members of the STMFC have ordered. Given this, I sent the following message to Gerry on May 15,2013:

"Gerry,
The STMFC is getting cluttered up with messages about your very slow
responses to orders. If you are having problems, let me know and I'll pass
that on to the group. That way they will know exactly what kind of delays
are possible. The group's rules prohibit messages about a manufacturer's
business practices. However, I, as group owner, am obligated to inform the
group about problems a manufacturer may be having. If the seemingly slow
responses are predictable, those ordering should not be so concerned. Much
better that than having people wonder if you are still in business. I'll be
glad to communicate to the members what your situation is."

As far as I know, Gerry has not responded to my message. Given that, I would suggest that the age old statement "Caveat emptor" or "Let the buyer beware" probably applies.

If anyone on the STMFC hears from or is in communication with Gerry, it would be useful for them to tell Gerry that he should contact me.

And, with that in mind, the thread about Gerry Glow is now terminated on the STMFC. As I mentioned above, however, a thread OFF the STMFC regarding Gerry is NOT terminated and I would appreciate receiving any information available about Gerry and possible problems he might be having.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Derrick Brashear <shadow@...>
 

No cars on the Rankin Bridge, which probably means it was almost done. It was basically done by April 30, 1951 but didn't open until May.

       http://bit.ly/19i7JfF                                                   

The P&LE archive finding aid, page 227, has pictures from an accident taken 4/29/51 with a Buick sedan having been hit and what I presume was a casualty, which I guess would have
to be behind the photographer, but it seems like this would have to be the accident Mr Slantis shot.

http://ple.dementix.org/research/P-LE-AIS-Photo-List.pdf






On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Derrick Brashear <shadow@...> wrote:
New and old Rankin bridges (a.k.a. West Braddock Bridge), which makes it circa 1951. That should be the P&LE since it's the Braddock side (the West Braddock Bridge was downstream) and it's on the riverbank not further inland like the B&O was.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Ah HAA! Here's another one!

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=paul%20slantis;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1379540344;subview=detail;resnum=346;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000409.pic;viewid=000409PIC.TIF

What make and model are those freight cars?

Location? (Hint: Does that look like a bridge in Pittsburgh?)

What is that load?



Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



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Derrick

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--
Derrick



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Derrick


Re: The Pig Pancreas Train

midrly
 

I heard of a derailment on the Soo Line that involved a reefer full of--cadavers.

The first question that the trainmaster (who later related the story to us) was asked over the phone by the crew was "What should we do with the bodies?"

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Don't have photos of a train wreck, closest I have is a wrecked meat reefer
filled with meat. But here is an article with photos about a truck wreck,
which should give you a good idea of the scenery/weathering that would be
needed
http://sobac.com/~stopthestink/2012/04/spill-leads-to-questions-about-truck-
traffic/



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


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Re: CNJ SS boxcars with composite ends & doors

Benjamin Scanlon
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Ben Scanlon asked:
"It's commented that the CNJ had Z section truss cars with composite ends. I have found a 2003 RailModel Journal article on some cars that may be these ones, the XMd and XMe boxcars.  The plans in there are not scanned well and one cannot see the height data.

I wanted to ascertain the inner height of the CNJ cars as I am told that the Accurail car is too tall by the order of 7-12".
 
Can anyone please confirm the height of the CNJ composite Z section truss cars?"
 
Article from the February 2003 issue of Railmodel Journal:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/168/12176/february-2003-page-22
 
The CNJ 17000-17499 cars represented by the equipment diagram in the article were 8 ft 2 in IH cars, making them 10" shorter than the Accurail model.  Be advised that CNJ did own true USRA SS boxcars, and referring to their other boxcars as "USRA boxcars" is misleading and incorrect.
 
 
Ben Hom

Thank you. I believe I did not so refer to them. Not this time around, anyroad. I only point out that out as I took care not to, having had my fingers burnt in the past.

Ben


CNJ USRA SS boxcars

Larry Kline
 

I misread Ben's message where he correctly said that CNJ DID OWN  true USRA boxcars. Sorry Ben.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Begin forwarded message:

From: Larry Kline <lndkline@...>
Date: September 19, 2013 10:26:21 AM EDT
To: STMFC list <STMFC@...>
Subject: CNJ USRA SS boxcars

Ben,

You're forgetting the class CNJ XMf 20000-20499 series built by ACF Madison in 1919. They are listed in the Lane roster in Railroad History No 128, the CNJ diagram calls them USRA design, and I have a nice Al Armitage photo of 20379 from Ron Morse.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Ben Hom wrote:
Be advised that CNJ did own true USRA SS boxcars, and referring to their other boxcars as "USRA boxcars" is misleading and incorrect.





CNJ USRA SS boxcars

Larry Kline
 

Ben,

You're forgetting the class CNJ XMf 20000-20499 series built by ACF Madison in 1919. They are listed in the Lane roster in Railroad History No 128, the CNJ diagram calls them USRA design, and I have a nice Al Armitage photo of 20379 from Ron Morse.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Ben Hom wrote:
Be advised that CNJ did own true USRA SS boxcars, and referring to their other boxcars as "USRA boxcars" is misleading and incorrect.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Dennis Williams
 

That is not the old Rankin bridge (black bridge in background) that is the bridge between carrie furnance and the homestead works
Light colored is the current Rankin bridge. Dennis

------------------------------

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 6:51 PM PDT Derrick Brashear wrote:

New and old Rankin bridges (a.k.a. West Braddock Bridge), which makes it
circa 1951. That should be the P&LE since it's the Braddock side (the West
Braddock Bridge was downstream) and it's on the riverbank not further
inland like the B&O was.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:

**


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Ah HAA! Here's another one!


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=paul%20slantis;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1379540344;subview=detail;resnum=346;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000409.pic;viewid=000409PIC.TIF

What make and model are those freight cars?

Location? (Hint: Does that look like a bridge in Pittsburgh?)

What is that load?


Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site
(UNCLASSIFIED)

Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add
additional info on the cars involved:


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each
car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then
well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



--
Derrick

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




--
Derrick


CNJ SS boxcars with composite ends & doors

Benjamin Hom
 

Ben Scanlon asked:
"It's commented that the CNJ had Z section truss cars with composite ends. I have found a 2003 RailModel Journal article on some cars that may be these ones, the XMd and XMe boxcars.  The plans in there are not scanned well and one cannot see the height data.

I wanted to ascertain the inner height of the CNJ cars as I am told that the Accurail car is too tall by the order of 7-12".
 
Can anyone please confirm the height of the CNJ composite Z section truss cars?"
 
Article from the February 2003 issue of Railmodel Journal:
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/168/12176/february-2003-page-22
 
The CNJ 17000-17499 cars represented by the equipment diagram in the article were 8 ft 2 in IH cars, making them 10" shorter than the Accurail model.  Be advised that CNJ did own true USRA SS boxcars, and referring to their other boxcars as "USRA boxcars" is misleading and incorrect.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: USRA SS boxcars with composite ends & doors

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I am sorry to drag up an old thread.  It's commented that the CNJ had Z section truss cars with composite ends. I have found a 2003 RailModel Journal article on some cars that may be these ones, the XMd and XMe boxcars.  The plans in there are not scanned well and one cannot see the height data.


I wanted to ascertain the inner height of the CNJ cars as I am told that the Accurail car is too tall by the order of 7-12".


Can anyone please confirm the height of the CNJ composite Z section truss cars?


Regards, Ben 



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Ben Hom wrote:
> The statement "composite ends was a variation limited to canadian roads" is untrue. Other prototypes of the Z-section truss cars with composite ends include CB&Q, CNJ, MEC, SP/T&NO, and VGN, though these prototypes differ in detail.

Speaking only for the SP/T&NO cars, "differ in detail" is quite an understatement. SP evidently was unimpressed with the USRA box cars it received, because the following orders for 7000 cars not only went to Z-bar bracing but differed in virtually every mechanical detail from the USRA design. SP even increased the inside height. Well, yeah, they were 40 feet long and were single-sheathed with composite ends . . . and maybe in TT scale that's as far as you would want to go . . . but in the case of the SP/T&NO cars, they were NOT much like the USRA cars.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Conoco Tank Cars

SHAY STARK
 

Frank,

Thank you for taking the time to look this information up. This is looking very promising as the 8000 gal. tank on the AFC type 27 car is 33' 3 1/8" long and 78" I.D. I will order the materials and see how this turns out.

Thanks again,

Shay Stark

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, FRANK PEACOCK <frank3112@...> wrote:

Shay, My SCCCo. book from 1919 (STCCo. by 1921?) lists the 8000 gal. tank as 33'-1 1/16" over the heads. Running boards were 9'-3 1/4" x 35'-5". Specs. for the 8050 gal. tank are 78" ID and I couldn't find the dome ID. It just said that it should be "not less than three per cent of the volume of the tank." The bottom sheet is listed at 31'-10 1/4". FHP (Frank H Peacock)


Re: Masking material for painting

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yup, decals placed and allowed to dry too much to refloat them.

 

Google is your friend when you’re looking for something.

 

Go to

 

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Marine/Home/Products/Catalog/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20S4K7000000_nid=GS8MRH94Y9beN4BX5SJJFCgl

 

And click on “Store locator” on the left side, half way down the screen.  You’re on your own from there.  But when  you Google “3M 218 tape” you will see there are LOTS of places you can get it, including, of course, Amazon.

 

Schuyler

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:16 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Masking material for painting

 

 


>
> wrote:
>
> Dunno what Tim uses, but the 218 green on that linked page is
> something I've used, with great results, including not lifting
> DECALS I'd put on a bit too soon . . .
>
> http://3mcollision.com/products/masking/fine-line-masking-tape
>

What????????? Presumedly you are refering to decals that had not yet been coated. Is this correct? I cannot understand why lifting them with masking tape should be an issue if they had been coated.

Lastly, is there a known regular source for this 3M product other
than a body shop? An office or art supply store, for example?

Cordially, Don Valentine.


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Derrick Brashear <shadow@...>
 

New and old Rankin bridges (a.k.a. West Braddock Bridge), which makes it circa 1951. That should be the P&LE since it's the Braddock side (the West Braddock Bridge was downstream) and it's on the riverbank not further inland like the B&O was.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Ah HAA! Here's another one!

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=paul%20slantis;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1379540344;subview=detail;resnum=346;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000409.pic;viewid=000409PIC.TIF

What make and model are those freight cars?

Location? (Hint: Does that look like a bridge in Pittsburgh?)

What is that load?



Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:




Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE



--
Derrick

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE




--
Derrick


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Ah HAA! Here's another one!

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=paul%20slantis;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1379540344;subview=detail;resnum=346;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000409.pic;viewid=000409PIC.TIF

What make and model are those freight cars?

Location? (Hint: Does that look like a bridge in Pittsburgh?)

What is that load?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)



Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE






--
Derrick



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Derrick;

Damn, you are good....

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Derrick Brashear
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:02 PM
To: STMFC list
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [STMFC] Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)



Wild guess. March 23, 1951.

http://glo.bmwe.org/awards/3d/pdf/3-07242.pdf



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> wrote:





Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE






--
Derrick



Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Derrick Brashear <shadow@...>
 


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Thanks, Bruce! Sun Oil must've gotten rid of those cars by my timeframe, but I am mystified as to why they would be running a triple up the Mon in ANY timeframe, yet we see some odd cars going that way from time to time. Like that "wine" tank car going toward the Mon on the P&WV in one of their photos on their website. It is not coincidence that Sun had a siding up the Mon. Maybe different grades of motor oil?

Those tank cars in the group do appear to be GATC, and likely GATX, too. I think they are headed to either USS Clairton by-products plant, ORRRRR, less likely, to Pennsylvania Industrial Chemical Corp. Both got insulated tank cars, the former for things like xylol and phenol shipments, and the latter for resin (for rubber and linoleum and etc) shipments. I wish I had more (and closer) pics of this wreck, and it really puts the ID on these cars for me.

This train screams "Mon Division"...

Elden Gatwood

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Elden,

Well, SUNX 2224 is a 3 compartment tank car (count the outlets), GACT built?
CMO 39022 - C&NW Route of the 400, reweigh might be '54?
SOUTHERN 10274 -
tank car jumble - at least 4 cars. All appear to be insulated, and GATC built? I'm a bit put off by the arrangement of the safeties on the two where they can be seen. Looks like the classic opposite end of the dome for

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

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Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood
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Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood



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Bruce Smith
 

%$#@ send button - sorry did not complete the email.

Elden,

Well, SUNX 2224 is a 3 compartment tank car (count the outlets), GACT built?
CMO 39022 - C&NW Route of the 400, reweigh might be '54? Cargo?
SOUTHERN 10274 - Cargo?
tank car jumble - at least 4 cars. All appear to be insulated, and GATC built? I'm a bit put off by the arrangement of the safeties on the two where they can be seen. Looks like the classic opposite end of the dome for PTC (?) domes, but there are also a couple of other thingies up there.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

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Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: nice new image on pitt site (UNCLASSIFIED)

Bruce Smith
 

Elden,

Well, SUNX 2224 is a 3 compartment tank car (count the outlets), GACT built?
CMO 39022 - C&NW Route of the 400, reweigh might be '54?
SOUTHERN 10274 -
tank car jumble - at least 4 cars. All appear to be insulated, and GATC built? I'm a bit put off by the arrangement of the safeties on the two where they can be seen. Looks like the classic opposite end of the dome for

On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Gatwood, Elden SAW wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Thanks, Derrick; I also can't figure out exactly when this was, either. This is the section where the hillside regularly shedded rocks and caused numerous derailments, but I had not seen this photo before. I was wondering if the cars could shed light on the date....

Elden Gatwood
Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Hi all;

Found this on the Pitt site and was wondering if any of you can add additional info on the cars involved:

http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375119487;subview=detail;resnum=4371;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-000411.pic;viewid=000411PIC.TIF

This train was going "my way", and I think I know, generally, what each car was up to, but I would like your views on each car, if you know then well.

Thanks!

Elden Gatwood

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