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Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tangent Scale Models
 

Guys,

I fear that misconceptions about the Tangent Scale Models General American tank cars will jeopardize the very significant investment Tangent Scale Models has made in this product. I ask each of you to look at the model photos, available on our website, to see for yourself what each factory painted model looks like and how you might modify it to suit your exacting tastes. Please keep in mind that Tangent would like to offer other paint schemes and other cars in the future, but that all depends on how this first run of tank cars does!

To be clear, a 1949 modeler has no reason to buy the 1968 model with an ACI label. We offer a 1958 lettered scheme that can be backdated with date changes should you choose to.

For those that want to paint their own from scratch, there is a nice GATX decal set available from Al Ferguson of Black Cat Decals. Here: http://www.greatdecals.com/BlackCat.htm and it is set GAT 20717. I know of no other decal sets that approach the overall quality of the GATX lettering found in this set, but I am unsure whether it has all of the exacting data needed to mark a 3 compartment, 6,000 gallon, GA-built tank properly.

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models





---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Are GATX or other appropriate owner decals available for late steam era circa 1949-1953? If so, I’d buy some undecorated cars to paint and decal. I noticed that undecorated cars are only $5 more than the kits, so why build a kit?

Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut


Bruce, Jerry, and all. The erroneous ACI label and the 1958 date connection came from a posting I made, based upon a conversation I had with someone at the Tangent table. It has since been made very clear that the 1958 scheme does not have an ACI label. What I was told when asking about a car for my 1949 time frame was “you can cover over the ACI label and change the 1958 dates” to modify a GATX paint scheme to make it appropriate. The rest of the lettering is the same.

The ACI label is immaterial. If one looks at the photos of the Tangent 1958 scheme, you will see 1958 all over the thing. Far too many, and too small, to look at changing them all. I will just wait for a time appropriate model, which I was assured would be coming in the future.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: Primitive Water Crossing

bierglaeser@...
 

And I presume the gentleman standing on the running board will apply the box car's hand brake as the tug approaches the dock.

VBG

Gene Green 



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Before barges?

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Story at http://cs.trains.com/ctr/f/3/p/35270/454166.aspx

Rod
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Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Are GATX or other appropriate owner decals available for late steam era circa 1949-1953? If so, I’d buy some undecorated cars to paint and decal. I noticed that undecorated cars are only $5 more than the kits, so why build a kit?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 9:34 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

 

 

Bruce, Jerry, and all. The erroneous ACI label and the 1958 date connection came from a posting I made, based upon a conversation I had with someone at the Tangent table. It has since been made very clear that the 1958 scheme does not have an ACI label. What I was told when asking about a car for my 1949 time frame was “you can cover over the ACI label and change the 1958 dates” to modify a GATX paint scheme to make it appropriate. The rest of the lettering is the same.

 

The ACI label is immaterial. If one looks at the photos of the Tangent 1958 scheme, you will see 1958 all over the thing. Far too many, and too small, to look at changing them all. I will just wait for a time appropriate model, which I was assured would be coming in the future.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Introduction

Chris Adams
 

Hi all,

I just posted to the ProtoLayouts group, so my apologies in advance to anybody that's "met" me already %^)  I've been lurking there as well as here for a while now and learning a lot.  But now that I'm finally building a layout - and trying my best to build accurate freight cars to run on that layout, I figured it was time to quit lurking, introduce myself, and start posting when I have something to contribute.

I'm modeling the New Haven Railroad's Connecticut Valley Line as it was in October, 1947. I have a huge advantage (and, unfortunately, little excuse to get it wrong) since I live right next door to the line and actually work on its southern portion (www.essexsteamtrain.com). Here in Connecticut, we're also blessed with a number of railroad museums that have preserved freight equipment - though of course, not always the specific prototype I need!  So the STMFC list is a real help.

I'll certainly chime in here when I can, but I'm starting to post progress on my website at www.thevalleylocal.net - if you get a chance, stop by. I'll appreciate any tips/suggestions/guidance from you guys here that have so much more experience in this than I do.

 

Relevant to this group, my latest post has pics of some of my freight cars.  Be kind though - they're the first resin freight car kits I've built. :^)

Best regards,

Chris

www.thevalleylocal.net

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Douglas Harding
 

Bruce, Jerry, and all. The erroneous ACI label and the 1958 date connection came from a posting I made, based upon a conversation I had with someone at the Tangent table. It has since been made very clear that the 1958 scheme does not have an ACI label. What I was told when asking about a car for my 1949 time frame was “you can cover over the ACI label and change the 1958 dates” to modify a GATX paint scheme to make it appropriate. The rest of the lettering is the same.

 

The ACI label is immaterial. If one looks at the photos of the Tangent 1958 scheme, you will see 1958 all over the thing. Far too many, and too small, to look at changing them all. I will just wait for a time appropriate model, which I was assured would be coming in the future.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: Multi-dome tank car data

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Clark,



This is very useful. What are the numbers in the third column? Is distillate
diesel fuel? Is tal the total car volume shipped?



Thanks.

Nelson Moyer

Iowa City, IA

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
cepropst@q.com
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 8:39 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Multi-dome tank car data





I have some weigh bills for 2 and 3 dome tank cars. I've copied them below.
Hope the info isn't too mucked up?




1/25/1954

SVX

200

TM 8,000 gal 2 dome tank,

Soc Vac Oil

Mueller Service and Supplies,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

comp A 2532 gal kerosene comp B 5560 gal distillate


3/26/1954

SVX

202

TM 8,00 gal tank 2 dome,

Soc Vac Oil

Mueller Service and Supplies,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

comp A 2516 kero, comp B 5581 dist 8097 gals


10/27/1954

SVX

258

TM 8,000 gal 2 dome tank,

Soc Vac Oil

Mueller Service,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

comp A kero 2485 gal, comp B dist 5418 gal


4/28/1954

UTLX

725

TM 2 dome tank,

Soc Vac Oil

Mueller Service and Supplies,

Watertown, MN

NP-MW,

gas A 2838, B 5131


3/10/1954

UTLX

2141

TM tank 3 dome,

Standard Oil

Standard oil,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

gas comp A 2116, comp B 1973, comp C 2112, tal 6201 gals


5/17/1954

UTLX

2633

TM 3 dome tank,

Soc Vac Oil

Mueller Service and Supples

Watertown, MN

NP-MW,

gas A 2194, B 2193, C 2190 tal 6577 gals


3/26/1954

UTLX

2799

TM tank 3 dome,

Std Oil

Std Oil,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

dist comp A 2187, B 2211, C 2192 tal 6590 gals


3/22/1954

UTLX

2879

TM tank 3 dome,

Std Oil

Standard Oil,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

dist comp A 2195, comp B 2190, com C 2200 tal 6585 gals


4/2/1954

UTLX

3078

TM tank 3 dome,

Std Oil

Standard Oil,

Watertown, MN

GN-MW,

comp A 2200, B 2188, C 2200 tal 6588 gals dist



Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Bruce Smith
 

Jerry,

Actually, someone might want to recheck the photos at http://tangentscalemodels.com/general-american-6000-gal-3-comp-tank-car/
The "1958+"  car does not have an ACI label (whatever that is).  The "1968+"  car is, at least for this list, decorated in some hypothetical futuristic paint scheme with this weird colored stripy thing on the side.  Sheesh... just about as crazy as dinosaurs or UFOs on layouts...

Regards

Bruce


Bruce F. Smith            

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/


"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."
On Oct 21, 2013, at 8:26 AM, <asychis@...>

 

 wrote:



"He did say the 1958 GATX car would work, all I would have to do was paint
over the ACI tag and changed the 1958 date to a date in the 40's."
 
An ACI tag on a 1958 model?
 
Jerry Michels



Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

asychis@...
 

Nelson Moyer wrote: "Someone in Lisle mentioned that only three of the road numbers offered were ‘real’ numbers for the stenciled dates. Could whoever has that information please post it to the list?"

 
My goodness why are only some "real numbers?"
 
Jerry Michels

Multi-dome tank car data

Clark Propst
 

I have some weigh bills for 2 and 3 dome tank cars. I’ve copied them below. Hope the info isn’t too mucked up?
 
1/25/1954 SVX  200 TM 8,000 gal 2 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supplies,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A 2532 gal kerosene comp B 5560 gal distillate
3/26/1954 SVX  202 TM 8,00 gal tank 2 dome, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supplies,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A 2516 kero, comp B 5581 dist 8097 gals
10/27/1954 SVX  258 TM 8,000 gal 2 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service, Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A kero 2485 gal, comp B dist 5418 gal
4/28/1954 UTLX  725 TM 2 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supplies,  Watertown, MN NP-MW,  gas A 2838, B 5131 
3/10/1954 UTLX  2141 TM tank 3 dome, Standard Oil  Standard oil, Watertown, MN GN-MW,  gas comp A 2116, comp B 1973, comp C 2112, tal 6201 gals
5/17/1954 UTLX  2633 TM 3 dome tank, Soc Vac Oil  Mueller Service and Supples Watertown, MN NP-MW,  gas A 2194, B 2193, C 2190 tal 6577 gals 
3/26/1954 UTLX  2799 TM tank 3 dome, Std Oil  Std Oil, Watertown, MN GN-MW,  dist comp A 2187, B 2211, C 2192 tal 6590 gals 
3/22/1954 UTLX  2879 TM tank 3 dome, Std Oil  Standard Oil,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  dist comp A 2195, comp B 2190, com C 2200 tal 6585 gals 
4/2/1954 UTLX  3078 TM tank 3 dome, Std Oil  Standard Oil,  Watertown, MN GN-MW,  comp A 2200, B 2188, C 2200 tal 6588 gals dist
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
 

Re: C&BT Car Shops -- Re: History of Prototype Freight Car Modeling

hayden_tom@...
 

Try again:

 

Re: C&BT Car Shops -- Re: History of Prototype Freight Car Modeling

hayden_tom@...
 

 Repeating this as my comment did not appear when I clicked on it - Neo problem??

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

asychis@...
 

"He did say the 1958 GATX car would work, all I would have to do was paint
over the ACI tag and changed the 1958 date to a date in the 40's."
 
An ACI tag on a 1958 model?
 
Jerry Michels

Glad the Celanese tanks are correct!

asychis@...
 

With the large Celanese plant located between Pampa and Kings Mill, TX, these cars should make a great addition to the Amarillo Railroad Museum's fleet!  Thanks Tangent.
 
Jerry Michels

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

benjamin
 

I am personally happy to see these cars appear from Tangent. The need for 3, 5, and yes, even six dome tanks is really higher than the above comments suggest.


I am not a rivit counter by any means but the "flavor" of modelling WWII and the late 40's demand a few of these cars.  I have seen photo's from this era that show solid tank trains with 3 and 5 dome cars randomly placed in the consist. 


One of Tony's SP books (don't remember which one and can't access it at this time) has photographs of a large refinery along the California coast with three and five dome tanks in the refinery yard waiting to be loaded.  They did not look like 6,000 gal. tanks but at last this is a start!


Regards,


Ben Heinley




---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Mark Stamm wrote:

 
I'm not very enlighten when it comes to tanks cars.  Where you referring to structural or cosmetic changes to back date the STCX to the late '40's?

     I was talking about the '58 GATX scheme. By 1943 there were only 7 unrepainted STCX cars, so I would say that only the earliest '40s would be okay, and probably only pre-1940 is really credible for the STCX cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




Re: C&BT Car Shops -- Re: History of Prototype Freight Car Modeling

hayden_tom@...
 

 

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tony Thompson
 

Mark Stamm wrote:

 
I'm not very enlighten when it comes to tanks cars.  Where you referring to structural or cosmetic changes to back date the STCX to the late '40's?

     I was talking about the '58 GATX scheme. By 1943 there were only 7 unrepainted STCX cars, so I would say that only the earliest '40s would be okay, and probably only pre-1940 is really credible for the STCX cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tangent Scale Models
 

Nelson Moyer wrote: "Someone in Lisle mentioned that only three of the road numbers offered were ‘real’ numbers for the stenciled dates. Could whoever has that information please post it to the list?"

STCX 9234
GATX 1404
GATX 52444

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Someone in Lisle mentioned that only three of the road numbers offered were ‘real’ numbers for the stenciled dates. Could whoever has that information please post it to the list?

Thanks,
Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of devans1@...
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut


!943 ORER only lists 4 SCTX cars under General American - 3 cars between 1000 and 2299, and car 9234 (one of the car numbers offered by Tangent)

Ted Culotta's tank car reference book shows MPCX 55 on pg 64 that seems to be a very good candidate for an undec model.

It's great to see Tangent take the plunge into the pre-war II fleet. But I hope they at least break even on this car. The data I have access to is pretty sketchy on the number of three-compartment cars, but photos would suggest that this is not a car for fleet purchases - one or two at the most.

This car may test the marketing question of which sells more - "cute" but relatively rare cars that a large percentage of modelers may buy one or two of, or common cars (like the Union type X cars) that are pretty plain, but large layout owners and the modular guys will buy a bunch of.

Wishing Tangent the best of luck and kudos for the model, and taking the risk.

I'll be buying STCX 9234 for sure, and maybe one or two undecs if the proper decals are/become available (e.g. MPCX 55, which the 1943 ORER suggests at least 10 cars like this existed (50-59), perhaps a few more.)

Dave Evans


---In stmfc@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote:
I took some photos of the Tangent car within the past hour, they were sitting on a display table. I have created a photo album and am uploading at the moment (very slow connection at the hotel). When posted they will be awaiting approval by Mike or Jeff, which hopefully will happen soon.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: NEO proplem?

davesnyder59
 

Thank you Doug, I thought it was me or my computer. What a relief, sorta.


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dave, it is not your computer or your software. However you are correct, in that you cannot read Tom’s message if you are attempting to view the message on the yahoo website. I get the group messages sent as emails to my email address, which I read in MS Outlook2010 on my computer running Win7. I had no problems with Tom’s message, except I noticed it was in blue indicating he was using an email program to send his message with formatting that Yahoo apparently does not like. HOWEVER, when I went to the Yahoo website, Tom’s message is not visible in the NEO format. It is there, but the message (what I see in blue) is not visible.

 

The new NEO format lets you see messages (conversations in the new Yahoo language) three ways. You can click on conversations, then choose topics, messages or trends.

 

Topics lets you follow a particular message, ie Tangents new tank car, all the way through every message that has been posted on that subject (topic).

 

Messages lets you see the messages in numerical order, as they are posted. This is the way we use to see them listed before NEO.

 

Trending is when Yahoo senses a particular message/topic is getting lots of attention and they move it to the top of the list, thinking everyone will want to see that subject first.

 

None of these views will let you see Tom’s message, so it is obviously a problem between his email program formatting and Yahoo’s interpretation of that message formatting. However you can see what Tom wrote if you open the message then click on “view source”. This will let you see all the code, but buried in there is the entirety of the words of Tom’s actual message. If you know what to look for.

 

I have no idea if there is a way around this problem. I agree the NEO format is not easy to use and is causing no end of grief to users and group owners alike.

 

Doug Harding (a frustrated yahoo group owner)

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: NEO proplem?

Douglas Harding
 

Dave, it is not your computer or your software. However you are correct, in that you cannot read Tom’s message if you are attempting to view the message on the yahoo website. I get the group messages sent as emails to my email address, which I read in MS Outlook2010 on my computer running Win7. I had no problems with Tom’s message, except I noticed it was in blue indicating he was using an email program to send his message with formatting that Yahoo apparently does not like. HOWEVER, when I went to the Yahoo website, Tom’s message is not visible in the NEO format. It is there, but the message (what I see in blue) is not visible.

 

The new NEO format lets you see messages (conversations in the new Yahoo language) three ways. You can click on conversations, then choose topics, messages or trends.

 

Topics lets you follow a particular message, ie Tangents new tank car, all the way through every message that has been posted on that subject (topic).

 

Messages lets you see the messages in numerical order, as they are posted. This is the way we use to see them listed before NEO.

 

Trending is when Yahoo senses a particular message/topic is getting lots of attention and they move it to the top of the list, thinking everyone will want to see that subject first.

 

None of these views will let you see Tom’s message, so it is obviously a problem between his email program formatting and Yahoo’s interpretation of that message formatting. However you can see what Tom wrote if you open the message then click on “view source”. This will let you see all the code, but buried in there is the entirety of the words of Tom’s actual message. If you know what to look for.

 

I have no idea if there is a way around this problem. I agree the NEO format is not easy to use and is causing no end of grief to users and group owners alike.

 

Doug Harding (a frustrated yahoo group owner)

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: NEO proplem?

spsalso
 

This happens to me, too, on occasion.  Seemingly by random selection.  I'm using Safari.  Also, sometimes messages don't open when I click on them.  I can copy and paste and then it works.  Gee, just imagine if Yahoo cared.




Ed


Edward Sutorik 



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark, might be something to do with my PC running Win XP sp3, Firefox and NEO. When I click on the msg I get only the name and date line and clicking on that gets me nothing. 


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dave,

Not sure what the problem is you are having. I have been using the new NEO UI with IE, Chrome and Safari without trouble on W7 & 8 plus my iPad.  Below is the content of Tom's message HTH.

-Mark

"Tank and safety valve test data, the ICC or ARA car class and the builder and built date, opposite the reporting marks. On multiple compartment (sometimes called 2-dome, 3-dome, etc.) tank cars there will be volumetric capacity data on each compartment. Don’t forget information on the heater coils if equipped.

Thomas N. Birkett, PE

Chief Engineer

Southwestern Tank Line, LLC"



Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 20, 2013, at 1:00 AM, <davesnyder59@...> wrote:

 

The msg prior to this one from Tom Birkett, I can see partial text until I try to open it and then all I get is the sender name and date/time in topic or individual msg mode. This has happened a few times before and I keep trying until I get frustrated and go to another group or quit Yahoo. This msg I really would like to read, anybody know what I am doing wrong or a workaround? I keep trying to learn this NEO, but I can't say it's user friendly. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.