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Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tony Thompson
 

Mark Stamm wrote:

 
I'm not very enlighten when it comes to tanks cars.  Where you referring to structural or cosmetic changes to back date the STCX to the late '40's?

     I was talking about the '58 GATX scheme. By 1943 there were only 7 unrepainted STCX cars, so I would say that only the earliest '40s would be okay, and probably only pre-1940 is really credible for the STCX cars.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
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Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tangent Scale Models
 

Nelson Moyer wrote: "Someone in Lisle mentioned that only three of the road numbers offered were ‘real’ numbers for the stenciled dates. Could whoever has that information please post it to the list?"

STCX 9234
GATX 1404
GATX 52444

David Lehlbach
Tangent Scale Models



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Someone in Lisle mentioned that only three of the road numbers offered were ‘real’ numbers for the stenciled dates. Could whoever has that information please post it to the list?

Thanks,
Nelson Moyer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of devans1@...
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut


!943 ORER only lists 4 SCTX cars under General American - 3 cars between 1000 and 2299, and car 9234 (one of the car numbers offered by Tangent)

Ted Culotta's tank car reference book shows MPCX 55 on pg 64 that seems to be a very good candidate for an undec model.

It's great to see Tangent take the plunge into the pre-war II fleet. But I hope they at least break even on this car. The data I have access to is pretty sketchy on the number of three-compartment cars, but photos would suggest that this is not a car for fleet purchases - one or two at the most.

This car may test the marketing question of which sells more - "cute" but relatively rare cars that a large percentage of modelers may buy one or two of, or common cars (like the Union type X cars) that are pretty plain, but large layout owners and the modular guys will buy a bunch of.

Wishing Tangent the best of luck and kudos for the model, and taking the risk.

I'll be buying STCX 9234 for sure, and maybe one or two undecs if the proper decals are/become available (e.g. MPCX 55, which the 1943 ORER suggests at least 10 cars like this existed (50-59), perhaps a few more.)

Dave Evans


---In stmfc@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote:
I took some photos of the Tangent car within the past hour, they were sitting on a display table. I have created a photo album and am uploading at the moment (very slow connection at the hotel). When posted they will be awaiting approval by Mike or Jeff, which hopefully will happen soon.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

Re: NEO proplem?

davesnyder59
 

Thank you Doug, I thought it was me or my computer. What a relief, sorta.


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dave, it is not your computer or your software. However you are correct, in that you cannot read Tom’s message if you are attempting to view the message on the yahoo website. I get the group messages sent as emails to my email address, which I read in MS Outlook2010 on my computer running Win7. I had no problems with Tom’s message, except I noticed it was in blue indicating he was using an email program to send his message with formatting that Yahoo apparently does not like. HOWEVER, when I went to the Yahoo website, Tom’s message is not visible in the NEO format. It is there, but the message (what I see in blue) is not visible.

 

The new NEO format lets you see messages (conversations in the new Yahoo language) three ways. You can click on conversations, then choose topics, messages or trends.

 

Topics lets you follow a particular message, ie Tangents new tank car, all the way through every message that has been posted on that subject (topic).

 

Messages lets you see the messages in numerical order, as they are posted. This is the way we use to see them listed before NEO.

 

Trending is when Yahoo senses a particular message/topic is getting lots of attention and they move it to the top of the list, thinking everyone will want to see that subject first.

 

None of these views will let you see Tom’s message, so it is obviously a problem between his email program formatting and Yahoo’s interpretation of that message formatting. However you can see what Tom wrote if you open the message then click on “view source”. This will let you see all the code, but buried in there is the entirety of the words of Tom’s actual message. If you know what to look for.

 

I have no idea if there is a way around this problem. I agree the NEO format is not easy to use and is causing no end of grief to users and group owners alike.

 

Doug Harding (a frustrated yahoo group owner)

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: NEO proplem?

Douglas Harding
 

Dave, it is not your computer or your software. However you are correct, in that you cannot read Tom’s message if you are attempting to view the message on the yahoo website. I get the group messages sent as emails to my email address, which I read in MS Outlook2010 on my computer running Win7. I had no problems with Tom’s message, except I noticed it was in blue indicating he was using an email program to send his message with formatting that Yahoo apparently does not like. HOWEVER, when I went to the Yahoo website, Tom’s message is not visible in the NEO format. It is there, but the message (what I see in blue) is not visible.

 

The new NEO format lets you see messages (conversations in the new Yahoo language) three ways. You can click on conversations, then choose topics, messages or trends.

 

Topics lets you follow a particular message, ie Tangents new tank car, all the way through every message that has been posted on that subject (topic).

 

Messages lets you see the messages in numerical order, as they are posted. This is the way we use to see them listed before NEO.

 

Trending is when Yahoo senses a particular message/topic is getting lots of attention and they move it to the top of the list, thinking everyone will want to see that subject first.

 

None of these views will let you see Tom’s message, so it is obviously a problem between his email program formatting and Yahoo’s interpretation of that message formatting. However you can see what Tom wrote if you open the message then click on “view source”. This will let you see all the code, but buried in there is the entirety of the words of Tom’s actual message. If you know what to look for.

 

I have no idea if there is a way around this problem. I agree the NEO format is not easy to use and is causing no end of grief to users and group owners alike.

 

Doug Harding (a frustrated yahoo group owner)

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: NEO proplem?

spsalso
 

This happens to me, too, on occasion.  Seemingly by random selection.  I'm using Safari.  Also, sometimes messages don't open when I click on them.  I can copy and paste and then it works.  Gee, just imagine if Yahoo cared.




Ed


Edward Sutorik 



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Thanks Mark, might be something to do with my PC running Win XP sp3, Firefox and NEO. When I click on the msg I get only the name and date line and clicking on that gets me nothing. 


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dave,

Not sure what the problem is you are having. I have been using the new NEO UI with IE, Chrome and Safari without trouble on W7 & 8 plus my iPad.  Below is the content of Tom's message HTH.

-Mark

"Tank and safety valve test data, the ICC or ARA car class and the builder and built date, opposite the reporting marks. On multiple compartment (sometimes called 2-dome, 3-dome, etc.) tank cars there will be volumetric capacity data on each compartment. Don’t forget information on the heater coils if equipped.

Thomas N. Birkett, PE

Chief Engineer

Southwestern Tank Line, LLC"



Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 20, 2013, at 1:00 AM, <davesnyder59@...> wrote:

 

The msg prior to this one from Tom Birkett, I can see partial text until I try to open it and then all I get is the sender name and date/time in topic or individual msg mode. This has happened a few times before and I keep trying until I get frustrated and go to another group or quit Yahoo. This msg I really would like to read, anybody know what I am doing wrong or a workaround? I keep trying to learn this NEO, but I can't say it's user friendly. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

Someone in Lisle mentioned that only three of the road numbers offered were ‘real’ numbers for the stenciled dates. Could whoever has that information please post it to the list?

 

Thanks,

Nelson Moyer

 

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of devans1@...
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

 

 

!943 ORER only lists 4 SCTX cars under General American -   3 cars between 1000 and 2299, and car 9234 (one of the car numbers offered by Tangent)

 

Ted Culotta's tank car reference book shows MPCX 55 on pg 64 that seems to be a very good candidate for an undec model.

 

It's great to see Tangent take the plunge into the pre-war II fleet. But I hope they at least break even on this car. The data I have access to is pretty sketchy on the number of three-compartment cars, but photos would suggest that this is not a car for fleet purchases - one or two at the most.

 

This car may test the marketing question of which sells more - "cute" but relatively rare cars that a large percentage of modelers may buy one or two of, or common cars (like the Union type X cars) that are pretty plain, but large layout owners and the modular guys will buy a bunch of.

 

Wishing Tangent the best of luck and kudos for the model, and taking the risk.

 

I'll be buying STCX 9234 for sure, and maybe one or two undecs if the proper decals are/become available (e.g. MPCX 55, which the 1943 ORER suggests at least 10 cars like this existed (50-59), perhaps a few more.)

 

Dave Evans



---In stmfc@..., wrote:

I took some photos of the Tangent car within the past hour, they were sitting on a display table. I have created a photo album and am uploading at the moment (very slow connection at the hotel). When posted they will be awaiting approval by Mike or Jeff, which hopefully will happen soon.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: NEO proplem?

davesnyder59
 

Thanks Mark, might be something to do with my PC running Win XP sp3, Firefox and NEO. When I click on the msg I get only the name and date line and clicking on that gets me nothing. 


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Dave,

Not sure what the problem is you are having. I have been using the new NEO UI with IE, Chrome and Safari without trouble on W7 & 8 plus my iPad.  Below is the content of Tom's message HTH.

-Mark

"Tank and safety valve test data, the ICC or ARA car class and the builder and built date, opposite the reporting marks. On multiple compartment (sometimes called 2-dome, 3-dome, etc.) tank cars there will be volumetric capacity data on each compartment. Don’t forget information on the heater coils if equipped.

Thomas N. Birkett, PE

Chief Engineer

Southwestern Tank Line, LLC"



Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 20, 2013, at 1:00 AM, <davesnyder59@...> wrote:

 

The msg prior to this one from Tom Birkett, I can see partial text until I try to open it and then all I get is the sender name and date/time in topic or individual msg mode. This has happened a few times before and I keep trying until I get frustrated and go to another group or quit Yahoo. This msg I really would like to read, anybody know what I am doing wrong or a workaround? I keep trying to learn this NEO, but I can't say it's user friendly. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tim O'Connor
 

I agree Ben, but the photo of GATX 1518 has a COLN 8-1953 stencil,
which I guess is from the tank car repair facility in Colton, California.
I know this is not a reweigh stencil, but perhaps when tank cars received
a major shopping or modification they were re-stenciled?

Tim O'Connor

Marty Cooper wrote:
"i know when the car was built with k brakes. with increasing demand for accuracy a reweigh date in the 40s would be preferrable. my error was that i should have said new date 1930. there is an accompanying prototype photo of the car with the new 1930 date and k brakes where the model has ab brakes."

You fell into the "tank car reweigh date" trap. Tank cars are billed by volume, not weight, so it's not required to reweigh them periodically. It's common for a tank car to retain their NEW date for years after they were built, so this model with a NEW 1930 date and AB brakes is completely plausible.

Ben Hom

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Jon Miller
 

On 10/20/2013 6:21 AM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
so this model with a NEW 1930 date and AB brakes is completely plausible.
    The real  question is probably when were the AB brakes fitted?

--
Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Benjamin Hom
 

Marty Cooper wrote:
"i know when the car was built with k brakes. with increasing demand for accuracy a reweigh date in the 40s would be preferrable. my error was that i should have said new date 1930. there is an accompanying prototype photo of the car with the new 1930 date and k brakes where the model has ab brakes."
 
You fell into the "tank car reweigh date" trap.  Tank cars are billed by volume, not weight, so it's not required to reweight them periodically.  It's common for a tank car to retain their NEW date for years after they were built, so this model with a NEW 1930 date and AB brakes is completely plausible.
 
 
Ben Hom

Re: NEO proplem?

Mark Stamm
 

Dave,

Not sure what the problem is you are having. I have been using the new NEO UI with IE, Chrome and Safari without trouble on W7 & 8 plus my iPad.  Below is the content of Tom's message HTH.

-Mark

"Tank and safety valve test data, the ICC or ARA car class and the builder and built date, opposite the reporting marks. On multiple compartment (sometimes called 2-dome, 3-dome, etc.) tank cars there will be volumetric capacity data on each compartment. Don’t forget information on the heater coils if equipped.

Thomas N. Birkett, PE

Chief Engineer

Southwestern Tank Line, LLC"



Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 20, 2013, at 1:00 AM, <davesnyder59@...> wrote:

 

The msg prior to this one from Tom Birkett, I can see partial text until I try to open it and then all I get is the sender name and date/time in topic or individual msg mode. This has happened a few times before and I keep trying until I get frustrated and go to another group or quit Yahoo. This msg I really would like to read, anybody know what I am doing wrong or a workaround? I keep trying to learn this NEO, but I can't say it's user friendly. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

gastro42000
 

hi: i know when the car was built with k brakes. with increasing demand for accuracy a reweigh date in the 40s would be preferrable. my error was that i should have said new date 1930. there is an accompanying prototype photo of the car with the new 1930 date and k brakes where the model has ab brakes. marty cooper



From: "Tim O'Connor"
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:45:34 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make  surprise debut

 

Martin Cooper wrote

> Hi: I am surprised that tangent would choose the 1930 build date for this model.

A late 1950's photo of freshly repainted GATX 1518 shows a built date of 1928 or 1929
(the second digit is a little blurry)

Tim O'Connor

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Tim O'Connor
 

Martin Cooper wrote

> Hi: I am surprised that tangent would choose the 1930 build date for this model.

A late 1950's photo of freshly repainted GATX 1518 shows a built date of 1928 or 1929
(the second digit is a little blurry)

Tim O'Connor

NEO proplem?

davesnyder59
 

The msg prior to this one from Tom Birkett, I can see partial text until I try to open it and then all I get is the sender name and date/time in topic or individual msg mode. This has happened a few times before and I keep trying until I get frustrated and go to another group or quit Yahoo. This msg I really would like to read, anybody know what I am doing wrong or a workaround? I keep trying to learn this NEO, but I can't say it's user friendly. TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Thomas Birkett
 

Tank and safety valve test data, the ICC or ARA car class and the
builder and built date, opposite the reporting marks. On multiple
compartment (sometimes called 2-dome, 3-dome, etc.) tank cars there will
be volumetric capacity data on each compartment. Don't forget
information on the heater coils if equipped.
Thomas N. Birkett, PE
Chief Engineer
Southwestern Tank Line, LLC

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
davesnyder59@...
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 5:55 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent
make surprise debut


Well, toss me into the unenlightened title as well. I would like some
more specifics as well please. What stenciling other than wheel
repacking or re-weight date would be needed? TIA.

Dave Snyder
Louisville, Ky.

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Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Douglas Harding
 

In talking with the fellow at Tangent’s table after lunch today, I learned the 1930 STCX car would probably not work for my 1949 era, as Standard Tank was out of business and most of the cars would have been relettered by 49. He did say the 1958 GATX car would work, all I would have to do was paint over the ACI tag and changed the 1958 date to a date in the 40’s. As there was no change in the car, nor in the basic GATX lettering. He did say that more P/L schemes were in the works. I did not get to Tangent’s clinic, so I cannot say what those might be, but was lead to believe that the future would bring forth cars very appropriately lettered for my 1949 time frame.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

davesnyder59
 

Well, toss me into the unenlightened title as well. I would like some more specifics as well please. What stenciling other than wheel repacking or re-weight date would be needed? TIA.


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.

 



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Mark. You read Tony's message incorrectly. The STCX reporting marks were retired by the 50's. He stated you could start with the Tangent 1958 car and back date that to the late 40's. 

Brian Carlson

On Oct 19, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Mark Stamm <mark@...> wrote:

 
Tony,

I'm not very enlighten when it comes to tanks cars.  Where you referring to structural or cosmetic changes to back date the STCX to the late '40's?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, tony <tony@...> wrote:

 
The STCX mark had been retired by the 50s. Celanese is fine (photo basis). The "58" scheme can be backdated as far back as late '40s.
Tony Thompson

On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Olesen & Larsen <BROTVL@...> wrote:

 



Had no problem going to the site using Google Chrome from Denmark, just tested again.
Maybe the rest of the production is for export only :-)
 
Nice looking cars by the way. What scheme would be the correct to use for the early 1950's on the western part of the Santa Fe system?
The STCX with a date patch,  the Celanese as is or is there an earlier GATX scheme not yet made by Tangent?
 
Kind regards
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark
 
----- Original Message -----
From: jon miller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut
On 10/18/2013 5:20 PM, pullmanboss@... wrote:

"Tangent Scale Models introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
http://tangentscalemodels.com/  "

    Yesterday I tried to order a couple of these but their site would not accept the order.  Today I tried to go to the site but it not there according to IE.  Anyone have any ideas?

--
Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Brian Carlson
 

Mark. You read Tony's message incorrectly. The STCX reporting marks were retired by the 50's. He stated you could start with the Tangent 1958 car and back date that to the late 40's. 

Brian Carlson

On Oct 19, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Mark Stamm <mark@...> wrote:

 

Tony,

I'm not very enlighten when it comes to tanks cars.  Where you referring to structural or cosmetic changes to back date the STCX to the late '40's?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, tony <tony@...> wrote:

 

The STCX mark had been retired by the 50s. Celanese is fine (photo basis). The "58" scheme can be backdated as far back as late '40s.
Tony Thompson

On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Olesen & Larsen <BROTVL@...> wrote:

 



Had no problem going to the site using Google Chrome from Denmark, just tested again.
Maybe the rest of the production is for export only :-)
 
Nice looking cars by the way. What scheme would be the correct to use for the early 1950's on the western part of the Santa Fe system?
The STCX with a date patch,  the Celanese as is or is there an earlier GATX scheme not yet made by Tangent?
 
Kind regards
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark
 
----- Original Message -----
From: jon miller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut
On 10/18/2013 5:20 PM, pullmanboss@... wrote:

"Tangent Scale Models introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
http://tangentscalemodels.com/  "

    Yesterday I tried to order a couple of these but their site would not accept the order.  Today I tried to go to the site but it not there according to IE.  Anyone have any ideas?

--
Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

Mark Stamm
 

Tony,

I'm not very enlighten when it comes to tanks cars.  Where you referring to structural or cosmetic changes to back date the STCX to the late '40's?

Thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Oct 19, 2013, at 12:53 PM, tony <tony@...> wrote:

 

The STCX mark had been retired by the 50s. Celanese is fine (photo basis). The "58" scheme can be backdated as far back as late '40s.
Tony Thompson

On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Olesen & Larsen <BROTVL@...> wrote:

 



Had no problem going to the site using Google Chrome from Denmark, just tested again.
Maybe the rest of the production is for export only :-)
 
Nice looking cars by the way. What scheme would be the correct to use for the early 1950's on the western part of the Santa Fe system?
The STCX with a date patch,  the Celanese as is or is there an earlier GATX scheme not yet made by Tangent?
 
Kind regards
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark
 
----- Original Message -----
From: jon miller
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut
On 10/18/2013 5:20 PM, pullmanboss@... wrote:

"Tangent Scale Models introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
http://tangentscalemodels.com/  "

    Yesterday I tried to order a couple of these but their site would not accept the order.  Today I tried to go to the site but it not there according to IE.  Anyone have any ideas?

--
Jon Miller For me time stopped in 1941 Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS

Re: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut

gastro42000
 



----- Original Message -----
From: tony
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 16:53:49 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type 30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut 


Hi: I am surprised that tangent would choose the 1930 build date for this model. The accompanying prototype photo shows a k brake the model ab brakes, also some dome fittings appear different. A date during the 40s would be better, if there are prototype photos or decals for undecorated models. These models are so nice that I would buy one and weather the dates to obscurity or just substitute a reweigh date. Though this should not be necessary. Just my opinion. Marty cooper














 



    

      
      
      

The STCX mark had been retired by the 50s. Celanese is fine (photo basis). The "58" scheme can be backdated as far back as late '40s.
Tony Thompson

On Oct 19, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Olesen & Larsen <BROTVL@...> wrote:
















 



    

      
      
      



Had no problem going to the site using
Google Chrome from Denmark, just tested again.

Maybe the rest of the production is for export only
:-)

 
Nice looking cars by the way. What scheme would be
the correct to use for the early 1950's on the western part of the Santa Fe
system?

The STCX with a date patch,  the Celanese as
is or is there an earlier GATX scheme not yet made by Tangent?

 
Kind regards
 
Tom Larsen
Holte, Denmark
 

  
----- Original Message -----
  
From:
  jon miller
  
To: STMFC@...
  
Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2013 4:13
  PM
  
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: 3-Dome GATX Type
  30 Tank Car from Tangent make surprise debut
  
On 10/18/2013 5:20 PM, pullmanboss@...
  wrote:

  

"Tangent Scale Models
  introduces a HO scale 6,000 gallon, three-compartment General American Tank
  Car. Four paint schemes + undecorated kits and undecorated assembled versions.
  

http://tangentscalemodels.com/ 
  "
  

  

  

    Yesterday I tried to order a couple
  of these but their site would not accept the order.  Today I tried to go
  to the site but it not there according to IE.  Anyone have any
  ideas?


  
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