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Re: MR plans from disk.

davesnyder59
 

Gentlemen, I suggest you look at the lifespan on the CD/DVD disk formats. I initially was quiet taken by their ease of use and zooming and scanning qualities. Mass produced commercial disks can last as little as three yrs and as much as 8 yrs. More expensive grades can be had at greater cost of course. Wikipedia has some good info on them. I still like them for ease of use, but dropping $50 or so for something that won't last 10 yrs in a lot of cases dampened my fascination.  And I'm sure glad I didn't dump my hard copies.


Dave Snyder

Louisville, Ky.



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Hi Denny,

I bought the DVD set for much the same reason as others have stated.

I have a large expanse of wall area dedicated to magazines, and was contemplating replacing those mags with digital copies.

My experience related to freight car drawings.

I found the search function relatively easy to use.

Once I found the drawing, I printed it and like Charlie, found the resolution was too low to read the lettering detail (I wanted this so I could make accurately lettered decals).

I then retrieved the original hard copy and photocopied the drawing.

Completely legible – no fuzzyness at all.

So at this point I’m contemplating going through my MRs and removing and keeping loco and car drawings, while discarding the balance of each magazine.

Cheers

Dave North

 


Re: Multi-dome tank car data

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Birkett wrote:

 
Recall the  original purpose of the “dome” was to provide expansion space for the product in the car, or compartment in this discussion. Therefore, a smaller done would be required.

     Yes, a minimum volume of 2 percent of the compartment. Not sure why you say "original purpose . . ." since AFAIK it was the only purpose.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: C&BT Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Dave

Yes, the 12 panel car kits are keepers. :-) Not a huge number of prototypes,
but Santa Fe for sure for the 6' doors. I don't know about the 7' and 8' doors
off the top of my head.

Tim O'

Hi Tim,
12 panel, 10�6� car sides. I don�t believe these are available for the others you mentioned.
I may be wrong
Cheers
Dave North


Re: [PRR-Modeling] C& BT back in business

Greg Martin
 

Tom,
 
Actually I don't think they ever really ever went away. Rich Orr and I were just talking about them. I was able to find nearly all the kits you could want in a little of the beaten track Hobby Shop in Pasco, WA... 3^) I was able to find a couple extra 4/3/R Diagonal Panel roof cars with the details left off for some X29B  projects. The rest had the detail tooled to the bodies, I can deal with that...
 
I have watched the bombs bursting over the C&BT cars and I still own quite a few. I actually think they did a very good job with the representation of the IDE and I have compared them to others for fidelity of shape, and it was very sharp, not shallow and crisp, at least the ones I own, capturing the shape of the rolling pin very nicely. As for the rivet size, I think they are comparable. The wheel sets a bit odd, and running boards and ladders need replacing.  Underframe, well what underframe doesn't need work? They are what they are, you mileage may vary, once lettered and weathered I would believe that they would blend nicely into the rest of the fleet, kind of like the Brock 42-foot 40-foot boxcar, Erie I believe, I have one of those as well should I toss it?
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Tom Hayden  writes:

 

Have you guys noticed that C&BT is back in business? I have bought several old kits on e-bay over past several years and have recently noticed a lot of kits appearing on e-bay?  Then today I saw a post on the MR forum that said they have a website. Indeed!     http://cbtshops.com Anyone know anything about who is running it?
 
Tom Hayden
 
 
 
 


Re: C&BT Car Shops

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Tim O’Connor said,

I believe all of the C&BT tooling was modified to include cast on ladders
and grabs. Between that and the poor quality of the details and oversized
rivets, and the availability of Branchline and Red Caboose and Accurail
10'6" 40 foot box car kits, what's the attraction?

 

Hi Tim,

12 panel, 10’6” car sides. I don’t believe these are available for the others you mentioned.

I may be wrong

Cheers

Dave North

 


Re: C&BT Car Shops

Aley, Jeff A
 

Star Trek Voyager??!?!! I think the year 2370 is a little past the era of this list. And so is 1995, when it first aired.

Regards,

-Jeff

On Oct 21, 2013, at 9:22 PM, "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@...<mailto:b.hom@...>> wrote:



Tim O'Connor wrote:
"I had a conversation with Dick at the Valley Forge NMRA convention in
what, 1993 (?), and he had a pretty low opinion of us rivet counters.
I think this was mainly due to all the complaints about the crummy
details (ladders, brakes, underframes, trucks) in his kits. And also
because most of his customers thought Athearn blue box kits are too
hard to build. :-) It was very soon after that he decided to make the
switch to cast-on box car details."

Sad to say, C&BT were the Star Trek: Voyager of freight car kits - outstanding premise, poor execution.


Ben Hom


Re: C&BT Car Shops

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"I had a conversation with Dick at the Valley Forge NMRA convention in
what, 1993 (?), and he had a pretty low opinion of us rivet counters.
I think this was mainly due to all the complaints about the crummy
details (ladders, brakes, underframes, trucks) in his kits. And also
because most of his customers thought Athearn blue box kits are too
hard to build. :-) It was very soon after that he decided to make the
switch to cast-on box car details."
 
Sad to say, C&BT were the Star Trek: Voyager of freight car kits - outstanding premise, poor execution.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Most needed car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben, the car is incorrect for ALL of the GN and SP&S cars as well,
because it comes with the wrong door. You do not need to REPLACE the
parts to model SP -- you simply have to order the correct ends and
roof (made by Intermountain) and the correct door (made by Dan Hall).
The same comment applies to the GN and SP&S cars.

Tim O'Connor

Doors, end, and roof replacement does not make a match. It's an excellent starting point for your SP classes, but certainly not good out of the box.

Ben Hom


Re: C&BT Car Shops

Andy Miller
 

It's a pity, because while the C&BT ladder, grabs, and other add-on parts
were indeed pretty poor, at least it left the builder with the option to
replace them with better item. The cast-on items were rather well done, but
left you little choice.



BTW Did I ever tell you I built an Athearn Blue Box box car while driving
home from TMRC one night. I guess that ranks with the teenagers texting,
but it took less time.



Andy



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 12:08 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] RE: RE: C&BT Car Shops






Where do find an I/M plug door SFRD reefer? ;-)
Andy
You can't, as you know Andy, since I sold you a couple of the
C&BT kits. But a C&BT reefer still looks like @#$#$ in my opinion.

It's a shame, because as I said, the C&BT reefer sides are quite nice.
Come to think on it, the ends are well done too.

I had a conversation with Dick at the Valley Forge NMRA convention in
what, 1993 (?), and he had a pretty low opinion of us rivet counters.
I think this was mainly due to all the complaints about the crummy
details (ladders, brakes, underframes, trucks) in his kits. And also
because most of his customers thought Athearn blue box kits are too
hard to build. :-) It was very soon after that he decided to make the
switch to cast-on box car details.

Tim O'


Re: Most needed car?

Steve H <nwicfan@...>
 

I remember seeing a bunch of those articles and they are great if you model the 40s and 50s. But as you know, there are many, many so-called "Signature" cars that have not been introduced in any format especially the pre-depression era cars.
 
- Steve Hedlund


On Monday, October 21, 2013 7:23 PM, "lucas@..." wrote:
 
Indeed, Douglas. Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Car #8 is a CN' 40' steel-frame boxcar. Numbered CN 503500-513499, these ten thousand 1929-1931-built cars were seen all over North American rails.  


Accurail makes a very nice shake-the-box model that can be detailed up for slightly different predecessor CN 500500-503499, of which CN had 3,000.  But only resin kits are available for the CN 503500- series.

Though I must admit that I will buy some UTLX X-3's when they come out...

Steve Lucas.   


---In stmfc@..., wrote:

Steve a good start would be the series of 46 articles that Ted Cullotta published in Railroad Model Craftsman, titled “Essential Freight Cars” http://steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/research/EssentialFreightCars.html
While many of the models are resin, this list certainly provides a list of important models that have already been offered in HO.
 
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
 



Re: Most needed car?

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote
"(The Intermountain car is a prototype unique to the GN.)"

Tim O'Connor replied:
"Ben, not quite -- The Intermountain 12 panel, 10'0" IH postwar box car body is good
for SP classes B-50-25 and B-50-26 -- A total of 5,600 cars built 1946-1948. Of course
appropriate doors, ends and roofs have to be acquired and applied to make each accurate.
I have a small box of the bodies and other parts I bought directly from IRC (with doors
from Dan Hall) to model these cars..."


Doors, end, and roof replacement does not make a match.  It's an excellent starting point for your SP classes, but certainly not good out of the box.
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: C&BT Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

Where do find an I/M plug door SFRD reefer? ;-)
> Andy

You can't, as you know Andy, since I sold you a couple of the
C&BT kits. But a C&BT reefer still looks like @#$#$ in my opinion.

It's a shame, because as I said, the C&BT reefer sides are quite nice.
Come to think on it, the ends are well done too.

I had a conversation with Dick at the Valley Forge NMRA convention in
what, 1993 (?), and he had a pretty low opinion of us rivet counters.
I think this was mainly due to all the complaints about the crummy
details (ladders, brakes, underframes, trucks) in his kits. And also
because most of his customers thought Athearn blue box kits are too
hard to build. :-) It was very soon after that he decided to make the
switch to cast-on box car details.

Tim O'


Re: Most needed car?

Tim O'Connor
 

Ben Hom wrote

> Additionally, there's another slamdunk that hasn't been done yet - the 10 ft IH postwar steel boxcar.
> (The Intermountain car is a prototype unique to the GN.)

Ben, not quite -- The Intermountain 12 panel, 10'0" IH postwar box car body is good
for SP classes B-50-25 and B-50-26 -- A total of 5,600 cars built 1946-1948. Of course
appropriate doors, ends and roofs have to be acquired and applied to make each accurate.
I have a small box of the bodies and other parts I bought directly from IRC (with doors
from Dan Hall) to model these cars...

Tim O'Connor


Re: C&BT Car Shops

Andy Miller
 

Tim,



Where do find an I/M plug door SFRD reefer? ;-)



Andy

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 11:31 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: RE: C&BT Car Shops






I believe all of the C&BT tooling was modified to include cast on ladders
and grabs. Between that and the poor quality of the details and oversized
rivets, and the availability of Branchline and Red Caboose and Accurail
10'6" 40 foot box car kits, what's the attraction? I still have a fair
number of the original C&BT kits and have sold a few to people who have
been looking for particular versions.

The tooling on the Santa Fe reefer sides is good, but the rest of the kit
is execrable, esp if you place it next to an Intermountain SFRD ice reefer.

Tim O'Connor



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Re: SSW 31000-33499

Tim O'Connor
 

Lee

Great photo! Eric Neubauer's post to the old FC list 9-26-2000:

"SSW 31500-32499 box cars apparently include 2 orders of 500 cars each from
ACF placed in 1923. One lot is 9727. Does anyone, through builders photos or
other means, know what the other lot number/plant is? Also when was lot 9727
built and which 500 cars does it include?"

Tim O'

Does anyone happen to know the builder of SSW 31000-33499? Here is a photo:

http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/photos/sp/ssw/ssw032000a_cotton_belt_public_relations_sp_lines.jpg

I have that they were built between 1923-25, but don't know the builder.

Lee A. Gautreaux - The RailGoat
http://www.railgoat.railfan.net/


Re: C&BT Car Shops

Tim O'Connor
 

I believe all of the C&BT tooling was modified to include cast on ladders
and grabs. Between that and the poor quality of the details and oversized
rivets, and the availability of Branchline and Red Caboose and Accurail
10'6" 40 foot box car kits, what's the attraction? I still have a fair
number of the original C&BT kits and have sold a few to people who have
been looking for particular versions.

The tooling on the Santa Fe reefer sides is good, but the rest of the kit
is execrable, esp if you place it next to an Intermountain SFRD ice reefer.

Tim O'Connor

I've used C&BT Shops shells then detail them with Archer rivets, Kadee, Branchline, Plano and other detail parts and Microscale decals. I have even laser printed some decals to fill in special needs (OK as long as you don't need white lettering). In the end, you can end up with a good looking car that no one manufactures RTR. By the way, some C&BT Shops cars were made without cast-on ladders, so you can add your own. The only serious shortcoming is the cast-on ends, Makes it difficult (but not impossible) to select a different end pattern.
--John


Re: MR plans from disk.

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Hi Denny,

I bought the DVD set for much the same reason as others have stated.

I have a large expanse of wall area dedicated to magazines, and was contemplating replacing those mags with digital copies.

My experience related to freight car drawings.

I found the search function relatively easy to use.

Once I found the drawing, I printed it and like Charlie, found the resolution was too low to read the lettering detail (I wanted this so I could make accurately lettered decals).

I then retrieved the original hard copy and photocopied the drawing.

Completely legible – no fuzzyness at all.

So at this point I’m contemplating going through my MRs and removing and keeping loco and car drawings, while discarding the balance of each magazine.

Cheers

Dave North

 


Re: C&BT Car Shops -- Re: History of Prototype Freight Car M

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Ben Hom wrote:
“I also take that little, if any, upgrading of tooling has been done unless you can confirm otherwise.  I'm also curious if the PRR Class X29B model will ever see the light of day.  If offered in an Accurail-quality kit (i.e., no terrible detail parts or warped underframes) with quality paint schemes, it should sell well, even as a one-road car (especially as the Merchandise Service MS1 paint scheme is correct for Class X29B).”

 

As far as I can tell, the cars currently available are from the same runs as cars I bought back 20 years ago.

The cars I have focused as the 10’6” Santa Fe cars so I don’t know about the X29B.

To be fair, I haven’t encountered any warped underframes on the cars I’ve built, but I agree about the detail parts.
  
“I balk at burning a Plano running board on a Tan-Dot car, but the availability of better quality trucks and wheelsets and Accurail and Branchline parts provide good fodder to replace the underframe and detail parts.”

The cars needed Apex or Morton walks so it was etched or nothing, and I’m happy with the result, while being realistic about the limitations of the cars.

 

Cheers

Dave North 
 

 


Re: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S

Brad Andonian
 


Charles,
Your work is just stupendous!
 
Brad Andonian

From: Charles Hostetler
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S
 
Hi Bill (and other interested in automobile traffic):

I gathered some statistics from the 1% carload waybill study on passenger and freight automobile shipments into a post that you may find useful as you think about your auto car fleet. For those interested, the post can be found here:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/10/commodity-flows-of-automobiles-and.html

Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: AUTOMOBILE SHIPMENTS IN BOX CARS IN THE 1950S

Charles Hostetler
 

Hi Bill (and other interested in automobile traffic):

I gathered some statistics from the 1% carload waybill study on passenger and freight automobile shipments into a post that you may find useful as you think about your auto car fleet. For those interested, the post can be found here:

http://cnwmodeling.blogspot.com/2013/10/commodity-flows-of-automobiles-and.html

Regards,

Charles Hostetler

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