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PFE wood reefer grab irons

ed_mines
 

How likely would it be to find wood reefers with 5 grab irons on the right side after WWII? How about long grab irons on both left and right sides? There's a picture of a

30-13 reefer with 6 short grab irons on the right and 2 long grab irons on the left in .

Tony's book.

 

Were the long grab irons 24 inches?


Re: MLKX reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks Roger! I was hoping that's what this car was.

I have one of the brass cars and have never cared for the paint or lettering.
Now all I have to do is find some MLKX lettering... :-)

http://brasstrains.com/classic/Product/Detail/044033/HO-OMI-Overland-MDT-Composite-Reefer-Car-8148

Tim O'Connor

The MLKX cars could be a lot of different cars, almost all were renumbering of older cars late in life to get a couple of more years out of them.

The particular car referenced is one of the 1941 standard MDT/NRL steel-frame design cars that were well covered in the old Mainline Modeler and are even available in brass, showing up on EBAY routinely. MLKX was built as NRC 17146, probably in Mar 41, then renumbered to NRC 5146 in 1955 when it got the rebuild for waterproof floors. fans and new wheels. it was transferred to MDT in 1962 when NRC was folded in and repainted to MLKX 471 in Feb 1965. It was retired in 1969, so the EBAY photo is pretty near end of life. I don't see any fans in the photo so they were probably removed when the car was reassigned.

Roger Hinman


Re: MLKX reefer

ROGER HINMAN
 

The MLKX cars could be a lot of different cars, almost all were renumbering of older cars late in life to get a couple of more years out of them.

The particular car referenced is one of the 1941 standard MDT/NRL steel-frame design cars that were well covered in the old Mainline Modeler and are even available in brass, showing up on EBAY routinely.  MLKX was built as NRC 17146, probably in Mar 41, then renumbered to NRC 5146 in 1955 when it got the rebuild for waterproof floors. fans and new wheels.  it was transferred to MDT in1962 when NRC was folded in and repainted to MLKX 471 in Feb 1965. It was retired in 1969, so the EBAY photo is pretty near end of life. I don't see any fans in the photo so they were probably removed when the car was reassigned.

Roger Hinman


On Oct 29, 2013, at 10:15 AM, <dlsweeney@...> <dlsweeney@...> wrote:


Tim, hopefully Roger Hinman will weigh in on this subject, but the MLKX reefer in the eBay shot sure looks like a standard MDT steel-framed, wood-sheathed car built in the 1930's and renumbered (and with new reporting marks) in the 1950's.  See pages 188 (photo) and 191 (text) in Roger's fine MDT book.  ORER's show several hundred of these cars still in service after the cut-off date of this list.

Dan Sweeney, Jr.

Alexandria, VA



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I have never seen one of these before... interesting. Is it like any other
class of MDT reefer or is it unique to MLKX?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331030066762

Tim O'



Re: Tangent three-dome takn car

 

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Re: Tangent three-dome takn car

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

    Well I have been posting and receiving group emails but when I decided to do a search I find I don't belong to anything, and get error messages saying that doesn't work.  Other than that everything works as normal.  

       Apparently Yahoo now only lists your groups for which you read the list on the web. It's annoying to try and edit group memberships now.

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Re: double sheathed & single sheathed - most common in the early 195os

npin53
 

There is a picture of an ACL rebuild in Ted's Box and Auto Car Reference manual.  I don't have it here in front of me, but I know there is at least one picture in there.


Aaron Gjermundson



---In stmfc@..., <abrown@...> wrote:

There's definitely at least one published photo of an ACL rebuild. I'll look it up tonight when I get home, if someone else doesn't do so first.

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. 


Re: double sheathed & single sheathed - most common in the early 195os

Eric Lombard
 

Here are a couple of photo references for you:

Goolsby, L. 2000. "Atlanta, Birmingham & Coast" p 220. ACL 26007, credit ACL, ACL & SAL Hist. Soc. Coll.

Goolsby, L. 1989. ACL USRA boxcars, copies and rebuilds. In Lines South, Vol.07, No. 02: 1, p12, credit ACL, Goolsby, L. Coll.

Eric

 



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

There's definitely at least one published photo of an ACL rebuild. I'll look it up tonight when I get home, if someone else doesn't do so first.

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. 


Re: double sheathed & single sheathed - most common in the early 195os

al_brown03
 

There's definitely at least one published photo of an ACL rebuild. I'll look it up tonight when I get home, if someone else doesn't do so first.

 

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. 


Re: metal tank cars

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 10/28/2013 10:31 AM, john.allyn@... wrote:
Jon, I think your tanker was a Sunset PRR tank car.  I had one and sold it.

    Actually, after a review of Ed's other AC&F book, it appear to more closely resemble the NATX 6201 on page 82.  The sheet design (three sheets) as opposed to the SHPX (2 sheets?) design.  Where Sunset got the 2 extra row of rivets, for the dividers, I don't know.
    I believe someone had good decals for NATX but have forgotten who.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Tangent three-dome takn car

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

    Well I have been posting and receiving group emails but when I decided to do a search I find I don't belong to anything, and get error messages saying that doesn't work.  Other than that everything works as normal.  So being unable to search what was happening in regards to Black Cat decals and the Tangent tank car?  I don't see any SHPX decals listed on his form just UTLX and GATX. 

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: MLKX reefer

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Tim, hopefully Roger Hinman will weigh in on this subject, but the MLKX reefer in the eBay shot sure looks like a standard MDT steel-framed, wood-sheathed car built in the 1930's and renumbered (and with new reporting marks) in the 1950's.  See pages 188 (photo) and 191 (text) in Roger's fine MDT book.  ORER's show several hundred of these cars still in service after the cut-off date of this list.

Dan Sweeney, Jr.

Alexandria, VA



---In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

I have never seen one of these before... interesting. Is it like any other
class of MDT reefer or is it unique to MLKX?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331030066762

Tim O'


Re: Lead shot in flat cars

 

I worked with lead powder for 30, years, adding it to polyester castings for my kits.  I worked on a disposable surface in front of a negative air vent.  I’ve had no health problems.  Wait.  What was I saying?   Something about lead?
 
I tested the castings for lead occasionally and found no response. As a result I only cautioned modelers to use a dust mask when filing the casting and wash their hands afterward.   On models many years old some lead oxide did come to the surface.
 
I considered depleted uranium but the powder was to hard to come by. - Al Westerfield 
 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] Lead shot in flat cars
 
 

"Depleted" uranium is some nasty s**t!  The term "depleted" is used to indicate that some of the radiation has been removed by processing or milling.  During the Gulf War so many Iraqi tanks were destroyed by anti-tank rounds made of "depleted" uranium that our solders were ordered to not enter any destroyed Iraqi vehicles due to high radiation exposure. 

 

Lead can be dangerous to our health but limited exposure  surgical gloves, breather masks and good habits with plenty of hand-washing can help.  Working with lead should only be done on a disposable surface.  Most important NEVER MELT LEAD!

 

I have a couple of fellow modelers that have used powered tungsten in locomotives and it really helps but the powder is really messy and is hard to clean up.

 

Just my 2 cents!

 

Ben in Denver



---In STMFC@..., wrote:

On 10/28/2013 6:40 AM, Andy Carlson wrote:

depleted U you will notice it is nearly the same as elemental tungsten

    Checked the site and the cheapest tungsten is $3.25 an ounce ($52 a pound).  Great for N scale and good for HO if you need more space for other items, like sound decoders.  Or if there is a loco pulling contest someplace and you just have to win! :-D

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
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Member SFRH&MS


Re: double sheathed & single sheathed - most common in the early 195os

Larry Kline
 

There is an article by Harvey George about the Atlanta Birmingham & Coast USRA single sheathed cars that went to the ACL in the September 2008 issue of the Seaboard-Coast Line Modeler. It says that:
- 190 of these cars were still in service when the ACL acquired the AB&C in 1946.
- They were retired rapidly by the ACL. My 7-1947 ORER shows only 56 still in service.
   My 4-1951 ORER shows only 22 still in service.
- 22 were rebuilt as all steel cars that were "thoroughly modern" in appearance. 
   My 1-1953 ORER shows an IH of 10 ft 4 in for the 22 rebuilt "all steel" cars.

Does anyone have photos of the rebuilt ACL cars? The number series is 26007-26180.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:12 pm (PDT) . Posted by:



In terms of USRA boxcars in the south, the ACL was the only owner of the 40-ton Double Sheathed cars that were all rebuilt with steel sides. The Georgia, Clinchfield and RF&P owned the SS 50-ton cars and those owned by the Clinchfield and RF&P survived pretty much intact except for AB Brakes being applied into the 1950's. The Georgia car had steel applied but retained the vertical and diagonal bracing.

Bill Welch 


Re: Red Devil Coal Loader

asychis@...
 

Overland did indeed import a Red Devil coal loader, but it is only one of many different types.  I had to scratch build mine for Bush, Illinois, since it seems to be one of a kind.
 
Jerry Michels


Re: Red Devil Coal Loader

np328
 

 


Re: Red Devil Coal Loader

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Richard,

A simple Google search with "red devil coal loader" generates a number of photos of these loaders, including a partial diagram as well as some conversations on other forums. That in turn indicates that "no two were the same" a phenomenon I have also observed with Fairbanks Morse and other similar coal loaders. It would therefore be useful for you to specify in more detail exactly what you are looking for.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 7:59 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Red Devil Coal Loader



Red Devil Coal Loaders sometimes were used to load steam era freight cars, as well as to load steam era locomotive tenders with coal hauled in steam era freight cars. I am looking for steam era diagrams of Red Devil Coal Loaders or steam era advertising or other promotional materials plainly showing what a Red Devil Coal Loader looked like. Any suggestions? Google comes up with nothing.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

Not so sure about "no two were the same", Bruce. I have two of the Overland Models R.D. coal loaders because they look almost exactly like that used by the Boston & Maine (you know, that railroad that Mike Brock never heard of until he saw a photo of a B&M car on Sherman Hill) at their small Woodsville, NH roundhouse and two track
shop. It is just the thing for smaller terminals and could well be used as Rich Townsend is suggesting. From what has been seen I suspect the Woodsville Red Devil Loader was a "standard" design but
that many may have been "customized" to some extent.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Red Devil Coal Loader

Roland Levin
 

Hi Richard

Red Devil coal loaders were used in both Alamosa and Antonito to load steam engines. They did not have the same construction. You can see some differences between the two if you compare photos. I have not seen any drawings for any of the two but there is lots of photos available through Internet.

 

This is a link to one of the photos:

http://narrowgaugememories.com/index.php/Rio-Grande-in-the-60s/alamosatochama/DRGWalareddevil950

 

Regards

 

Roland Levin

Stockholm, Sweden

http://hem.bredband.net/drgw/

http://www.usms.se

 

 

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Red Devil Coal Loaders sometimes were used to load steam era freight cars, as well as to load steam era locomotive tenders with coal hauled in steam era freight cars. I am looking for steam era diagrams of Red Devil Coal Loaders or steam era advertising or other promotional materials plainly showing what a Red Devil Coal Loader looked like.  Any suggestions?  Google comes up with nothing.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


[pnw_rpm] Photos of RBTB 2013

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
Keith Thompson has posted his photos of this past weekend's RPM event in Monroe, WA ~ RAILS BY THE BAY.
 
There is some very fine modeling in these photos. I had a great time meeting some folks I have only seen and conversed with online and putting a hand out to be greeted or introducing myself was the best part. I suggest scrolling through them all as many eras and roads are represented here, good stuff.   Hope to see more of you next year.
 
Thanks Keith for sharing. Again the modeling was first class by all those participating.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 


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Hi Everyone, 


I've posted my photos of the 2013 edition of Rails by the Bay at http://www.pbase.com/locotrol/rails_by_the_bay_2013 If you find any errors in who did what, please email me at locotrol@.... Thanks! -- Keith Thompson


Re: Cities Service Tank cars: actual color?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 28, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Brad Andonian <cereshill@...> wrote:

Fellas,
 
So many models are in a Kelly green; were the prototypes this color?     I would appreciate input on this.

Some were, and model manufacturers love it because the train set bozos love it.  But Brad, as some of us say repeatedly on this list, you really have to specify a date or range of dates for your modeling before you can get any useful information.  All the photos I have of Cities Service cars in the ‘30s and ‘40s, and most photos from the ‘50s, show black cars with white stenciling.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Lead shot in flat cars

Greg Martin
 

Andy,
 
Weight was why I jokingly mentioned it. So Tungsten might just be the answer and one hell of a lot safer.
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 10/28/2013 8:44:03 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, midcentury@... writes:

Hello Greg-

If you look up specific gravity (relative densities of elements) for depleted U you will notice it is nearly the same as elemental tungsten, and not much more dense than tungsten carbide (which is easily found as machine shop waste). I have purchased tungsten weights from the pinewood derby supplier . M-V sells tungsten in many geometric shapes, and also in powder, shot and a matrix of tungsten in epoxy. M-V offers supplies to ultra-competitive fathers' wishing to have their Boy Scout kid demolish the fatherless Scouts.

M-V has online sales several times a year. Even on sale, this stuff isn't cheap, but with locomotives needing some ballast help you would have to go to Platinum or Osmium to get denser material without a half-life.

-Andy Carlson

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