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Re: Intermountain alt std twin hoppers (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
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Guys;

I have just been drooling over this car. It has been executed VERY nicely. I love the interior detailing, and the delicacy of the grabs and end details. Kudos to all that have contributed data and photos for IM to work with!

I have been seeing all the discussion going on, on the B&O list, on the ex-C&O cars that went to the B&O, but I was wondering if any of you know if IM intends on doing other variants, for other roads, that aren't on the current list?

I am especially interested in the later versions of the C&O, Erie, Montour (i.e., "MTR"), Shawmut, and P&WV cars. Did any of you send IM photos for those?

Thanks (and about ready to empty my wallet),

Elden Gatwood

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Re: Placards 2

Tony Thompson
 

michael gross wrote:

Thanks for the clarification about the placards.  Thanks for the link to your blog.

I was curious about these placards, because I also have several I would like to share with the group.  Several of them are steam era tank car placards, which is interesting in light of the new Tangent triple dome model.  Do you, Tony, or others in the group have suggestions as to the best way to disseminate the photos?  I would be happy to set up a folder in the photo section unless there is a better way.

Tony, your blog is so informative, and the graphics so professional, that I would be happy to send them to you if you want to share them with others.
My only desire is to make them available to as many members as care to have them.

    Thanks for the kind words, Michael. I would like to see your placards (or scans of them). As it happens, there was a terrific article in _Mainline Modeler_ in 1993 by John Ryczkowski about tank car placards, and I abstracted that information, and showed prototype placards, in an earlier post. I followed that up with a post about model placards (it contains a link to the post about prototype placards). If you're interested, here is a link to that second post:


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Re: Placards 2

michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Dear Tony,

Thanks for the clarification about the placards.  Thanks for the link to your blog.

I was curious about these placards, because I also have several I would like to share with the group.  Several of them are steam era tank car placards, which is interesting in light of the new Tangent triple dome model.  Do you, Tony, or others in the group have suggestions as to the best way to disseminate the photos?  I would be happy to set up a folder in the photo section unless there is a better way.

Tony, your blog is so informative, and the graphics so professional, that I would be happy to send them to you if you want to share them with others.

My only desire is to make them available to as many members as care to have them.

Cheers!

Michael

Michael Gross
La Cañada, CA


Re: New York Central Milk Car

Craig Bisgeier
 

>
> Hi again folks

> I've been looking hard at photos of the Railworks NYC milk car I found online, and I have a question: It appears that there is a metal plate with two vertical grab irons on it covering up the lower 40% or so of the center doors.  At first I thought these were reinforcements of the doors but on close examination it appears to be a single panel. The detail below it seems to suggest that it could be hinged at the bottom edge to swing down and out of the way, possibly to a 90 degree angle making what might be a platform of sorts?  At any rate, it appears that it would be in the way of moving things in and out of the car if left in position... Am I seeing this correctly?  Any opinions or factual answers greatly appreciated.
>  
> Craig Bisgeier
> Clifton, NJ
>


  Having swung enough full 40 qt. milk cans into a cooler, out of a cooler and/or onto the back of a truck and then unloaded them at a creamery ("country station" in milk parlance) in my life I strongly suspect that all you are seeing is some sheet metal applied to the lower part of the doors to prevent them from being beat up too badly by folks swinging cans into or out of the milk cars. You see the outside of the doors. My money says the inside probably had the same treatment for the same reason. It was sometimes found on the wall beside the small can door at creamereies as well, or there was a piece of angle iron put over the vertical corners of the door frame.

Cordially, Don Valentine - still a farmer at heart.


Thanks Don, I expected that as well - except on close examination there is no apparent gap in the plate where the doors meet at the center, indicating one of two things: Either the plate has to swing down to allow the doors to open (if the open outward) OR there is a rather glaring mistake in the Railworks model....

I'm inclined to think it's a mistake as your explanation seems far more likely.
 


Re: P&N Box Car Sale by GC&L Photo Posted

Douglas Harding
 

Curt, its in the files section.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: P&N Box Car Sale by GC&L Photo Posted

Curt Fortenberry
 

 

Where is it posted?  I don't see it in the photos section.

 

Curt Fortenberry


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Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 

The GN called their version "movable door post" and it moved with the auxiliary door. Would it make it possible to nail grain doors to the double doors with this arrangement?
 
Staffan Ehnbom
 

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The 'centerpiece' has what looks like a door roller on the bottom.
Did it move with a door or not?

Tim O'

>Hi Tom,
>These were Automobile cars which had a removable centerpiece between the doors. See RP Cycl. # 13 and/or Railmodeljournal Dec. 2004
>page 53-58. (downloadable through Trainlife.com)
>Ben de Vries
>


Re: Placards 2

s shaffer
 

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Placards 2


John Allen once showed us a boxcar that he had rigged up to simulate a hot box.He often put it in trains for guest operators.It consisted of a ramp and a metal ball-.A small red light was hidden under the car.If the car was handled too roughly coupling or in a train,the ball would be dislodged and would roll down the ramp completing the circuit .The light would come on indicating a hot box.Armand Premo

I have one. Walthers offered it as a kit some years ago. Around the same time as the peanut car, beer can tank car, Jail Box...

Steve Shaffer


Re: Placards 2

s shaffer
 

Subject: [STMFC] Re: Placards 2



An explosives placard is included in the set of placards Richard Hendrickson
designed for Microscale. I used that placard on a box car that was to be used
on the club layout for delivery to mining and quarry operations.

Tim O'
I need one of those explosives placards. In the late Fred Dabney's collection is a Lionel exploding boxcar that he had repainted and modified such that it would "blow up" under rough train handling conditions. Caught more than a few members at the club.

Steve Shaffer


Re: New CNWHS Modeler-- Questions on the M&StL USRA Double Sheathed

Clark Propst
 

Gary,
The short answer is someone must have screwed up. To be honest I never paid much attention to that article, in print.
I did a series of four M&StL freight car articles I thought would run consecutively, they didn’t. By the time (years) that DS article first rev arrived I’d learn more and had redone several of the models. I started sending new photos to them (CNWHS team), but was focused on something else at the time and never sent them all or much in the way of updated text before they published it. I usually receive several revs before publication this time they were on the ball and put the issue out in record time.
It appears that the black ends and roofs were a 1939 thing. No photos before then or after show a difference in colors...We’re talking b/w photos. To explain a bit more, the railroad was buying a lot of used cars in the late 30s-early 40s and only those received and upgraded during 39 seemed to get the black ends and roofs.
If you have any specific questions I will be happy to answer if I can and send photos.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


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Tim O'Connor
 

The 'centerpiece' has what looks like a door roller on the bottom.
Did it move with a door or not?

Tim O'

Hi Tom,
These were Automobile cars which had a removable centerpiece between the doors. See RP Cycl. # 13 and/or Railmodeljournal Dec. 2004
page 53-58. (downloadable through Trainlife.com)
Ben de Vries


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de Vries <bjdevries01@...>
 

Hi Tom,
These were Automobile cars which had a removable centerpiece between the doors.  See RP Cycl. # 13 and/or Railmodeljournal Dec. 2004
page 53-58. (downloadable through Trainlife.com)
Ben de Vries
 
 

Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:47 PM
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Tim,

Thank you for your response.  Looking at the photo more closely now, I can imagine that is the case.  It certainly looks a bit odd but would make an interesting model.

Tom Baker

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Tom

It's part of the left hand door. I don't know why they were built
that way -- perhaps they couldn't buy a factory made door of the width
they needed so they welded an extension onto it?

Tim O'


In perusing an old Newton K. Gregg Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17, on page 136, I examined a photo of a Milwaukee Road double-door ribbed box car.  The arrangement of the double doors puzzles me: The ends that would normally be up tight against each other do not touch. But instead of a visible opening into the car, there seems to be a segment of the carside visible.

Can anyone explain how such an arrangement, unless my eyes deceive me, functioned?  The car is displayed in Figure 2.153 and has the road number 6582.
Thanks in advance for any assistance someone might be able to offer.

Tom Baker



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Thomas Baker
 

Tim,

Thank you for your response.  Looking at the photo more closely now, I can imagine that is the case.  It certainly looks a bit odd but would make an interesting model.

Tom Baker


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Tom

It's part of the left hand door. I don't know why they were built
that way -- perhaps they couldn't buy a factory made door of the width
they needed so they welded an extension onto it?

Tim O'


In perusing an old Newton K. Gregg Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17, on page 136, I examined a photo of a Milwaukee Road double-door ribbed box car.  The arrangement of the double doors puzzles me: The ends that would normally be up tight against each other do not touch. But instead of a visible opening into the car, there seems to be a segment of the carside visible.

Can anyone explain how such an arrangement, unless my eyes deceive me, functioned?  The car is displayed in Figure 2.153 and has the road number 6582.
Thanks in advance for any assistance someone might be able to offer.

Tom Baker



Re: New York Central Milk Car

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Craig Bisgeier <cbisgeier@...> wrote:

Hi again folks

I've been looking hard at photos of the Railworks NYC milk car I found online, and I have a question: It appears that there is a metal plate with two vertical grab irons on it covering up the lower 40% or so of the center doors.  At first I thought these were reinforcements of the doors but on close examination it appears to be a single panel. The detail below it seems to suggest that it could be hinged at the bottom edge to swing down and out of the way, possibly to a 90 degree angle making what might be a platform of sorts?  At any rate, it appears that it would be in the way of moving things in and out of the car if left in position... Am I seeing this correctly?  Any opinions or factual answers greatly appreciated.
 
Craig Bisgeier
Clifton, NJ

Having swung enough full 40 qt. milk cans into a cooler, out of a cooler and/or onto the back of a truck and then unloaded them at a creamery ("country station" in milk parlance) in my life I strongly suspect that all you are seeing is some sheet metal applied to the lower part of the doors to prevent them from being beat up too badly by folks swinging cans into or out of the milk cars. You see the outside of the doors. My money says the inside probably had the same treatment for the same reason. It was sometimes found on the wall beside the small can door at creamereies as well, or there was a piece of angle iron put over the vertical corners of the door frame.

Cordially, Don Valentine - still a farmer at heart.


Re: Eastman Heater Car

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@> wrote:


Marty. I am build 2 of them now. Interesting, they are plywood. Strong. Dennis. Resinbuilders4u


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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 6:35 AM PDT Marty McGuirk wrote:


I was looking for some stripwood for a totally non-freight car related project when I ran across this on the Northeastern Scale Models web site:

http://www.northeasternscalelumber.com/shop/kits/eastheat.html
Having stopped using wood for my HO scale freight cars years ago, I make no claims as to the authenticity of the model, nor do I have any idea how detailed or correct  the model is. And I certainly wouldn't put in the "Needed Car" category (well, maybe a close second on that list to the UP HK-50-4). But it does seem to be a unique early-20th car that some may be interested in. I certainly hadn't heard of it.

Marty McGuirk

From what can be seen on the Northeastern website I'd say it is
a very simple model of a car that deserves better. See, for example, page 351 of the 1919 CarBuilders or page 226 of the 1922 edition.
Both the B&M and Maine Central had a number of these cars.

Cordially, Don Valentine

Don't know what is going on with the STMFC of late or if its a problem with Yahoo but this response appeareing this morning, 11/14,
was sent over two weeks ago.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Placards 2

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

I love the eggs, and wet corn placards!

An explosives placard is included in the set of placards Richard Hendrickson
designed for Microscale. I used that placard on a box car that was to be used
on the club layout for delivery to mining and quarry operations.

Tim O'



Rich Townsend was intending to send the placards to me. I've recently written two blog posts about placards for house cars (I supply a link to the second of these below; it also contains a link to the first one), and Rich was adding more.

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2013/11/placards-house-cars-prototype-part-2.html

Tony Thompson 


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Tim O'Connor
 

Tom

It's part of the left hand door. I don't know why they were built
that way -- perhaps they couldn't buy a factory made door of the width
they needed so they welded an extension onto it?

Tim O'


In perusing an old Newton K. Gregg Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17, on page 136, I examined a photo of a Milwaukee Road double-door ribbed box car.  The arrangement of the double doors puzzles me: The ends that would normally be up tight against each other do not touch. But instead of a visible opening into the car, there seems to be a segment of the carside visible.

Can anyone explain how such an arrangement, unless my eyes deceive me, functioned?  The car is displayed in Figure 2.153 and has the road number 6582.
Thanks in advance for any assistance someone might be able to offer.

Tom Baker


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Thomas Baker
 




In perusing an old Newton K. Gregg Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 17, on page 136, I examined a photo of a Milwaukee Road double-door ribbed box car.  The arrangement of the double doors puzzles me: The ends that would normally be up tight against each other do not touch. But instead of a visible opening into the car, there seems to be a segment of the carside visible.

Can anyone explain how such an arrangement, unless my eyes deceive me, functioned?  The car is displayed in Figure 2.153 and has the road number 6582.
Thanks in advance for any assistance someone might be able to offer.

Tom Baker



Re: New CNWHS Modeler-- Questions on the M&StL USRA Double Sheathed Boxcars

gary laakso
 

First of all, thanks for an informative article on these cars and it raised 2 questions:
1- the photo of the modification of the model with the unpainted Details West dreadnaught end shows the stiles that you made and the completed model end shot on the same page does not show them.  What happened?
2- Vol Two of Focus on Freight Cars at page 47 shows M&StL 25028 with a black end and it appears a black roof.  When did M&StL change its paint scheme to all boxcar red and was the underbody black for either paint scheme?
Thanks again,
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 9:07 AM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] New CNWHS Modeler
 
 

Modeler V6 #3 has been uploaded
http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Tichy AB brake assembly help please.

gary laakso
 

Scott, there is an excellent file in the file section for the group on Freight Car Underbody Detail by Gene Green.  The diagrams and pictures are a real value for understanding how the system’s parts align. 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 10:20 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tichy AB brake assembly help please.
 
 

Thank you everybody for the on and off list help.  I am going to make a run down to Caboose tomorrow to get the parts mentioned and take a swing at it tomorrow.

 

Scott McDonald.



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Note that in the Tichy brake set, the chain that goes into the Ajax brake housing is a plastic molding, not actually a metal chain. – Andy
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