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Re: Gulf Refining tank cars in 1929

Ian Cranstone
 

You may well be right about the dome Richard -- I note that some other cars in the class show 327 gallon domes (a generous 2%), and my theory is that some of these cars got enlarged domes along the way.  Somewhere around here I have a 1936 issue of Tank Car Capacities, which might be more helpful in this case.

On 2013-11-15, at 2:06 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

 

On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:



On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:21 PM, madchemep2@... wrote:


Hi All: Doesn't look like Pittsburgh had a very strict building code based on the appearance of the building on the hill overlooking the tank cars. The dome on the tank car seems so oversize although I know they were big, this one seems to be huge.  Al Campbell

Standard size (2%) dome for a 10,ooo gal. car, Al, which is what these were.  the running boards at each end of the domes, as well as along the sides, may make the domes seem bigger than they were.

I hate to disagree with Richard, but…

The one car I can read the number clearly on was somewhat larger -- the 1970 Tank Car Capacities volume identifies GATX 30503 as being a 12484 gallon car, with a rather large dome of 535 gallon capacity.

Nice catch, Ian.  I should have looked it up!   I’ll still say, however, that the domes look proportiononal to the tanks.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: Gulf Refining tank cars in 1929

Richard Brennan <brennan8@...>
 

At 11:06 AM 11/15/2013, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ian Cranstone
<<mailto:lamontc@...>lamontc@...> wrote:
On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:21 PM,
<mailto:madchemep2@...>madchemep2@... wrote:
The dome on the tank car seems so oversize
although I know they were big, this one seems to be huge. Al Campbell
Standard size (2%) dome for a 10,ooo gal. car,
Al, which is what these were. the running
boards at each end of the domes, as well as
along the sides, may make the domes seem bigger than they were.
I hate to disagree with Richard, but…

The one car I can read the number clearly on was somewhat larger -- the 1970 Tank Car
Capacities volume identifies GATX 30503 as
being a 12484 gallon car, with a rather large dome of 535 gallon capacity.
Nice catch, Ian. I should have looked it
up! I’ll still say, however, that the domes look proportiononal to the tanks.
I'm not familiar with the "1970 Tank Car
Capacities" volume; Would this information refer
to the 1920s-built (1922?) tank car? ...or a later car with the same number?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
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Re: Gulf Refining tank cars in 1929

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 15, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Ian Cranstone <lamontc@...> wrote:


On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:21 PM, madchemep2@... wrote:


Hi All: Doesn't look like Pittsburgh had a very strict building code based on the appearance of the building on the hill overlooking the tank cars. The dome on the tank car seems so oversize although I know they were big, this one seems to be huge.  Al Campbell

Standard size (2%) dome for a 10,ooo gal. car, Al, which is what these were.  the running boards at each end of the domes, as well as along the sides, may make the domes seem bigger than they were.

I hate to disagree with Richard, but…

The one car I can read the number clearly on was somewhat larger -- the 1970 Tank Car Capacities volume identifies GATX 30503 as being a 12484 gallon car, with a rather large dome of 535 gallon capacity.

Nice catch, Ian.  I should have looked it up!   I’ll still say, however, that the domes look proportiononal to the tanks.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: Archer rivets prep

Tony Thompson
 

Clark Propst wrote:

 
I can’t remember if I’m to put gloss or primer on before applying Archer rivets. Any tips are welcome.

       Gloss. And in my opinion, there is no need to do prep on clean styrene. I have worked on both freight cars and a scratchbuilt girder bridge, and applying the Archer rivets directly to styrene is fine. But DO overspray them with something at your earliest convenience. Then they will stay where you put them.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Archer rivets prep

Bruce Smith
 

And I routinely put them on plain styrene and they work just fine.  However, since you cannot grit blast AFTER you put them on, I do all of my paint prep prior to applying.  Given that this includes grit blasting that may have a very real effect on the adherence of the decal to naked plastic. Once on, I treat them like any other decal and use setting solution to snug them down and then apply body paint over them.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Valdivia, Chile (at least for another week or so)

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Archer rivets prep



Clark,
All I know is that I was told they wouldn't adhere to plain styrene so I painted the styrene with a flat finish first, this seems to have worked.
Good luck,
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
 
 
In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:15:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cepropst@q.com writes:

 

I can’t remember if I’m to put gloss or primer on before applying Archer rivets. Any tips are welcome.
 
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa




Re: Archer rivets prep

O Fenton Wells
 

Clark, I've done it both ways and I believe the gloss is better as an undercoat for the rivets just as the lettering decals.  Then make sure you spray a cover coat before you handel them to any extent.  Once they are oversprayed they are pretty resilient.
Fenton Wells


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:15 AM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
 

I can’t remember if I’m to put gloss or primer on before applying Archer rivets. Any tips are welcome.
 
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa




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Re: caboose identification

Frank Greene
 

You can take Southern off the table.  Drawings in the SRHA collection show Southern Railway's 8-wheel wood cabooses were all double-sheathed designs.  All sorts of designs - centered and offset cupola, side door, war emergency boxcar conversions - but none with external steel framing.  And, known photos don't contradict the drawings.
Frank Greene
Canton, GA

On 11/15/2013 10:35 AM, eric@... wrote:

Here's a page from an old Red Ball catalog. I think the caboose you describe is at the top.

http://www.hoseeker.net/redball/redballcatalog09pg08.jpg


This looks similar to prototypes used on the NC&StL, Southern, and FEC. 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



Re: caboose identification

Tom Vanwormer
 

The second caboose in this photo is the standard caboose from the St. Charles Car Co. in the mid 1880s being used by the Wabash, ATSF, CM and other roads who decided those "Way Cars" were good.

Tom VanWormer
Monument CO

eric@... wrote:

 

Here's a page from an old Red Ball catalog. I think the caboose you describe is at the top.

http://www.hoseeker.net/redball/redballcatalog09pg08.jpg


This looks similar to prototypes used on the NC&StL, Southern, and FEC. 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



---In STMFC@..., wrote:

I am reviewing inventory, and I have come across a very nicely-finished Red Ball caboose (K-21) whose prototype I cannot identify: 

38 feet long,

Outside braced (cast metal), 

Center cupola, 

Stirrup steps

Four windows in two pairs.

Silver Streak trucks with leaf springs.

Dummy couplers

The model was finished in about 1955-8 by the late Fred Cribbins in Menlo Park, CA.  He was very prototype-minded, so it is mysterious that it should be neatly lettered S.P. 6954 (I am unaware of center cupola outside  SP cabooses, but there is a lot about the SP that I do not know....).

Can anyone shed light on the prototype for this model (no prototype is mentioned in the Red Ball catalogs).

Thank you

Denny 


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento, CA 

Please note my new eMail address.






Re: caboose identification

Chuck Higdon
 

Hello Eric,

 

You mention that the Red Ball #21 model is similar to FEC prototypes.  Do you know where I could see photos of that?  It would have to be earlier than the new cabooses they purchased in the early 20’s.  As 701-760 and 863-899 all had offset cupolas and side doors.  But I do not think I have seen any photos of the earlier cabooses and sure would like to.

 

Thanks and take care,

 

Chuck Higdon - check out my FEC layout at

https://picasaweb.google.com/102920461774912857361

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of eric@...
Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:35 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] RE: caboose identification

 

 

Here's a page from an old Red Ball catalog. I think the caboose you describe is at the top.

http://www.hoseeker.net/redball/redballcatalog09pg08.jpg

 

This looks similar to prototypes used on the NC&StL, Southern, and FEC. 

 

Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



---In STMFC@..., wrote:

I am reviewing inventory, and I have come across a very nicely-finished Red Ball caboose (K-21) whose prototype I cannot identify: 

 

38 feet long,

 

Outside braced (cast metal), 

 

Center cupola, 

 

Stirrup steps

 

Four windows in two pairs.

 

Silver Streak trucks with leaf springs.

 

Dummy couplers

 

The model was finished in about 1955-8 by the late Fred Cribbins in Menlo Park, CA.  He was very prototype-minded, so it is mysterious that it should be neatly lettered S.P. 6954 (I am unaware of center cupola outside  SP cabooses, but there is a lot about the SP that I do not know....).

 

Can anyone shed light on the prototype for this model (no prototype is mentioned in the Red Ball catalogs).

 

Thank you

 

Denny 

 

 

Denny S. Anspach MD

Sacramento, CA 

 

Please note my new eMail address.

 

 

 

 

 


Re: caboose identification

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Except for the steps, which appear to be the same ones used on the four-wheeled caboose at the bottom of the page, the car generally resembles the cars built by the Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis for pusher service. Wooden kits were once sold by Northeastern as part of their "1 of 5000" series.
 
John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

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From: eric
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Nov 15, 2013 10:35 am
Subject: [STMFC] RE: caboose identification

 
Here's a page from an old Red Ball catalog. I think the caboose you describe is at the top.

This looks similar to prototypes used on the NC&StL, Southern, and FEC. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


---In STMFC@...,
I am reviewing inventory, and I have come across a very nicely-finished Red Ball caboose (K-21) whose prototype I cannot identify: 

38 feet long,

Outside braced (cast metal), 

Center cupola, 

Stirrup steps

Four windows in two pairs.

Silver Streak trucks with leaf springs.

Dummy couplers

The model was finished in about 1955-8 by the late Fred Cribbins in Menlo Park, CA.  He was very prototype-minded, so it is mysterious that it should be neatly lettered S.P. 6954 (I am unaware of center cupola outside  SP cabooses, but there is a lot about the SP that I do not know....).

Can anyone shed light on the prototype for this model (no prototype is mentioned in the Red Ball catalogs).

Thank you

Denny 


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento, CA 

Please note my new eMail address.






Intermountain 33" semi-scale wheelsets

Andy Carlson
 

After a rather long wait, Intermountain HO Code 88 semi-scale wheelsets (#40052) are available again.
Perhaps it was inevitable, the wheelsets have had a price increase (MSRP$12).

I am offering these wheels in a factory blister-pack of 12 axles (enough for 3 freight cars) for $9.00/package. Shipping of $2.85 and up will be applied. Buy 18 packages and I will add free shipping by USPS Priority mail.

Note: I also have some bulk Branchline 36" passenger semi-scale wheelsets for $0.60/axle.

Contact me off-list at for particulars. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: caboose identification

Steve H <nwicfan@...>
 

The top model is a NC&StL NE-1 class caboose. Series numbers 1 to 20. I believe that they were built in the NC&StL's shops but I won't know for certain until I get home and check my NC&StL equipment diagram sheets. The prices for the models look really great.
 
- Steve Hedlund


On Friday, November 15, 2013 7:35 AM, "eric@..." wrote:
 
Here's a page from an old Red Ball catalog. I think the caboose you describe is at the top.

This looks similar to prototypes used on the NC&StL, Southern, and FEC. 

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


---In STMFC@..., wrote:

I am reviewing inventory, and I have come across a very nicely-finished Red Ball caboose (K-21) whose prototype I cannot identify: 

38 feet long,

Outside braced (cast metal), 

Center cupola, 

Stirrup steps

Four windows in two pairs.

Silver Streak trucks with leaf springs.

Dummy couplers

The model was finished in about 1955-8 by the late Fred Cribbins in Menlo Park, CA.  He was very prototype-minded, so it is mysterious that it should be neatly lettered S.P. 6954 (I am unaware of center cupola outside  SP cabooses, but there is a lot about the SP that I do not know....).

Can anyone shed light on the prototype for this model (no prototype is mentioned in the Red Ball catalogs).

Thank you

Denny 


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento, CA 

Please note my new eMail address.








Re: GM&O 7500-7524 10'3" IH Mathers boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 15, 2013, at 4:22 AM, benjaminscanlon@... wrote:

Hullo Richard, Bill 

Thank you for your suggestions.  Here is a shot of an AC&Y 'Tall Mather' with a steel door and end.  

http://www.acyhs.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=72

Albeit this is an AC&Y car and in the thread, they say 3150-3174 were bought new,  there is other info on their site which says these cars were Mather lease and ex-GM&O.

The cars in question wee built by the Mather Stock Car Co. in 1941 and leased to the AC&Y and GM&O.  The photo certainly shows a car with steel doors and ends.  However, North American Car Co. (Mather’s successor) did not apply these improvements until after the period covered b y this list.  Now, if you want to model the ‘60s….


Richard Hendrickson



Re: Gulf Refining tank cars in 1929

Ian Cranstone
 

On Nov 14, 2013, at 7:21 PM, madchemep2@... wrote:


Hi All: Doesn't look like Pittsburgh had a very strict building code based on the appearance of the building on the hill overlooking the tank cars. The dome on the tank car seems so oversize although I know they were big, this one seems to be huge.  Al Campbell

Standard size (2%) dome for a 10,ooo gal. car, Al, which is what these were.  the running boards at each end of the domes, as well as along the sides, may make the domes seem bigger than they were.

I hate to disagree with Richard, but…

The one car I can read the number clearly on was somewhat larger -- the 1970 Tank Car Capacities volume identifies GATX 30503 as being a 12484 gallon car, with a rather large dome of 535 gallon capacity.


Re: Archer rivets prep

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

I just brush coat on some Future for a gloss finish. You only need to apply it to the area that will receive the rivets...

 

Jack Burgess

 

I can’t remember if I’m to put gloss or primer on before applying Archer rivets. Any tips are welcome.

 

Thanks,

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa





Re: hopper terminology

rwitt_2000
 

With a built date of what looks like 1927, I believe this hopper is what I would term the "ARA standard triple hopper" similar to the B&O class W-2 which were the quad versions. Other railroads had examples of these triples built in the late 1920s including, I believe, the ATSF class Ga-21.


Upon examination I agree with the other comments that this hopper had a different method for joining the side sheets between the body bolsters.


Bob Witt



---In stmfc@..., <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:45 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

would this DL&W offset hopper be classified as an "Advisory Mechanical Committee"
design, or something else?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291006783554

Tim,
Based on the shape of the pressed side panels between the bolsters and corner posts, I believe the car would aptly fall into the Enterprise design. This design used "stepped" side sheets to transition from the bolsters to the corner posts. This design is discussed & illustrated in RP CYC Vol. 25 along with the A.A.R. and A.M.C. designs for comparison. 
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Archer rivets prep

Charles Hladik
 

Clark,
All I know is that I was told they wouldn't adhere to plain styrene so I painted the styrene with a flat finish first, this seems to have worked.
Good luck,
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division
 
 
In a message dated 11/15/2013 11:15:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cepropst@q.com writes:

 

I can’t remember if I’m to put gloss or primer on before applying Archer rivets. Any tips are welcome.
 
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Archer rivets prep

Clark Propst
 

I can’t remember if I’m to put gloss or primer on before applying Archer rivets. Any tips are welcome.
 
Thanks,
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: caboose identification

Eric Hansmann
 

Here's a page from an old Red Ball catalog. I think the caboose you describe is at the top.

http://www.hoseeker.net/redball/redballcatalog09pg08.jpg


This looks similar to prototypes used on the NC&StL, Southern, and FEC. 


Eric Hansmann

El Paso, TX



---In STMFC@..., <danspachmd@...> wrote:

I am reviewing inventory, and I have come across a very nicely-finished Red Ball caboose (K-21) whose prototype I cannot identify: 

38 feet long,

Outside braced (cast metal), 

Center cupola, 

Stirrup steps

Four windows in two pairs.

Silver Streak trucks with leaf springs.

Dummy couplers

The model was finished in about 1955-8 by the late Fred Cribbins in Menlo Park, CA.  He was very prototype-minded, so it is mysterious that it should be neatly lettered S.P. 6954 (I am unaware of center cupola outside  SP cabooses, but there is a lot about the SP that I do not know....).

Can anyone shed light on the prototype for this model (no prototype is mentioned in the Red Ball catalogs).

Thank you

Denny 


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento, CA 

Please note my new eMail address.






Fw: New decals

Clark Propst
 

Hubert Mask of Mask Island Decals maskislanddecals.com Is offering a decal set to do M&StL two bay hoppers. Will work nicely on either an Accurail or Bowser model. These cars did get off line so you should have one or two on your rosters. Below is a list of a few cars these decals will work for documented off line.
 
NO. TYPE SOURCE DATE CITY STATE RR
61091 HM Wreck       MoPac
62127 HM Wreck 6/23/45 East St Louis IL PRR
63201 HM Wreck 11/20/48     Ill Terminal
63319 HM Train List 1947     IC
63463 HM Wreck 4/27/48     ERIE
64529 HM Wreck 4/13/46 Madison IL TRRA
64533 HM Wreck 4/27/43 Somerset KY CNO&TP
64565 HM Wreck 10/20/47     KO&G
64573 HM Wreck       NYC&StL
65313 HM Wreck 3/7/45 Decatur IL PRR
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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