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Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim Dick wrote
> The NP had quite a few. The 6000 and 8000 series readily come
> to mind and I am sure there were more on the NP.

Regarding the Northern Pacific:

You have to be careful with "end doors" because what we usually call
"lumber doors" are listed in the Equipment Register as "end doors".

In 1953 8000-8099 are listed with 1'6" x 1'0" lumber doors.

There is no 6000 series in the 1940, 1950 or 1953 ORER's. This series
was populated in the late 1950's with modern 50' double door cars.
None of the new cars had end doors.

In 1953 there is one series, 4700-4998, 50' steel underframe box cars
(single sheathed) with full size end doors. I'd forgotten about those.

Tim O'Connor


Re: COSX 975

Ed Hawkins
 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, richtownsend@... wrote:

The Fort Collins (Colorado) Public Library has a nice 1930-era photo
of COSX 975, a three-dome tank car.  I don;'t have an ORER from that
far back.  Can anyone give me information about the car?  Builder
(AC&F?)? Built date? Capacity? Any help is appreciated.
Richard,
COSX 975 was one of 2 cars built 10-23 by ACF (lot 9643), series
975-976, 50 tons, 3 compartment, 10,000 gallons, ARA Spec. III. I
believe the cars later went to SDRX.

This photo was published in the ACF 100th year anniversary book by Ed
Kaminski.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

If you look in the Official Railway Equipment Register there is
an appendix of "Serial Numbers & Description of Automobile Cars
Equipped With Auto Racks" -- Now, this is not a complete list of
all end-door equipped box cars, but there is a column for "Width
of End Doors" and scanning down that column you can tell which
railroad box car number series (with auto racks) had end doors.

In 1953 the list is ATSF, CP, CB&Q, CRI&P, ERIE, LV, NYC, SLSF,
and SOU. I know this is definitely not a complete list, because
C&O, CN, IC, MKT, MP, NKP, SP, UP, WABASH and WP had end-door
box cars too.

Tim O'Connor


COSX 975

Richard Townsend
 

The Fort Collins (Colorado) Public Library has a nice 1930-era photo of COSX 975, a three-dome tank car.  I don;'t have an ORER from that far back.  Can anyone give me information about the car?  Builder (AC&F?)? Built date? Capacity? Any help is appreciated.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

np328
 

   The NP had quite a few. The 6000 and 8000 series readily come to mind and I am sure there were more on the NP.

 

 I had dug up some data at the MNHS from AAR WWII reports and these end door cars were very much in demand at that time for moving small trucks and other military vehicles and such.

 

There are other reports that I have seen that note that the ends doors affected the dimensional stability of the car, (I know there are some of you with engineering degrees, and if you can think of a better terminology, I will not take offense), and this caused some of the end doors on the NP cars to later be made solid.                                                              Jim Dick - St. Paul


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Dave Sarther
 

Brad,
 
The CB&Q had auto cars with end doors.  If you have Volume 12 of the RPCYC a few photos of these cars can be referenced in an article co-authored by Bat Masterson, Hol Wagner and Al Hoffman of the BRHS along with a photo of their unique extended height "Bomber Box Cars".
 
Later,  Dave Sarther    Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Andonian
To: STMFC
Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 8:45 am
Subject: [STMFC] Opening End Door Boxcars

 
Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Eric Lombard
 

Brad,

I just did a quick filter on my box car data and came up with 495 series with auto end doors. It is indeed "a long list." This dump includes new cars built with the doors as well as renumbered cars and includes cars with doors functional and doors fixed in place. It includes all such cars built between 1910 and 1944 and those rebuilt during that time and after. No distinction was made for construction and so wood, composite and all-steel cars are included. If there are some particular parameters that interest you I can narrow the output but am glad to send you the whole dump off-list if you want it. 


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL



---In STMFC@..., <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Brad I would say most. PRR Erie CV and LV and ones I have photos of. 
Brian Carlson 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Brad Andonian <cereshill@...> wrote:

 
Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Brian Carlson
 

Brad I would say most. PRR Erie CV and LV and ones I have photos of. 
Brian Carlson 

On Nov 19, 2013, at 10:45 AM, Brad Andonian <cereshill@...> wrote:

 

Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

Steve SANDIFER
 

I would call it a standard practice, so many railroads had auto boxcars with end doors. The list will be long.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 9:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Opening End Door Boxcars

 

Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Opening End Door Boxcars

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian


Re: MKT decals for the yellow boxcars

Bill Hirt <whirt@...>
 

Fenton,

Have you considered Herald King? Their set B-194 does a 40' yellow boxcar with black lettering and their set B-195 does a 40' red boxcar with white lettering. I ordered some a few months ago direct from them and they have them in stock. While most of their sets are mid-late 60's on, they do have a few that fit the time era of this group.

Bill Hirt

On 11/18/2013 10:30 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
Maybe Ted is close enough to being back in business to release the MKT decals in black and white as it sounds like a few sets are needed.
Thanks to all who replied
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:14 AM, William Darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:
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I have assembled the Speedwitch model but have held off painting it because it has the black decals for the yellow car. The yellow scheme is very iffy for my 1955 railroad and I would prefer white decals on freight car red. Maybe we can work out some kind of trade on this group. I was hoping that Microscale made MKT decals for the 50�s but I don�t see them in the catalog so I am hanging on to my black decals until I have some white ones. My fallback position is a very heavily weathered yellow car.

Bill Darnaby



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Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:08 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] MKT decals for the yellow boxcars

Does anyone make MKT decals (black lettering) for the yellow boxcars of the 1040's? I'm not familiar with this road and don't know. Thanks in advance for any help.

Fenton Wells

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Re: DT&I 16000-16199 after rebuilding

Eric Lombard
 

Thanks for alerting me to that reference, Ray. 


Those photos show two of the three configurations for these box cars (as received with 11+ ft inside height with 14-6 door; as rebuilt to 10-3 inside height with 14-6 door). Still looking for a photo as rebuilt 10-3 inside height with 8-9 door opening. Anyone?


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL



---In stmfc@..., <teabow1958@...> wrote:

The book "Wabash/Nickel Plate/DT&I Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" published by Morning Sun written by James Kinkaid has images of four of these cars.16081 is shown in the middle of page 97. 16190-H is shown on the bottom of page 97. 16191-H is shown on the top of page 98. The end doors of 16192-H is shown in the middle of page 98.
Ray Thibaut
teabow1958@...


Re: Rocket Express models

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "gary laakso" <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

My apologies, I did type the wrong reporting marks! My only excuse is decal fumes from decaling 3 Sunshine NP single sheathed boxcars and starting to decal two Rock Island Rocket Express single sheathed boxcars today.

Holy smoke, Gary, were these the two Rocket Express models you began in February 2007 or are you doing some more? On a more serious note, has any one tried to contact Rocket Express of late? On two occasions since seeing their Rock Island box cars a couple of months ago I have emailed the company seeking ordering information on these models. To date there has been no response. Has anyone else had better luck recently? Additionally, does anyone have any comments on the quality and value of the models?

Should anyone be interested I still have a few of the Wright Trak
SAL V-9 and V-10 ventilated box cars available. Anyone interested can contact me off list. Having built one without wishing to go to Bill Welch's extremes with it the results do not seem to vary to any large degree. Will try to post a few photos of it and the next one in progress as time allows. In all respects I find these to be nice kits of a prototype that is both distinctive and interesting.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: MKT 79000 series boxcars

Ken Roth
 

Thanks Richard and Tim.  I was thinking War Emergency too, but I didn't see that MKT had any.  The underframe sounds like a cool variation, which together with the yellow paint job is going to be a must-build for me.



---In STMFC@..., <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Ken, it looks extremely similar to War Emergency box cars. I don't know
what else it could be.

Tim O'Connor

>In Tom Dill's Southern Pacific in Oregon Pictorial, there is a picture on page 46 of a Katy single-sheathed box with 5/5 dreadnaught ends and Youngstown steel door. It appears to be painted in the Yellow scheme (black and white photo, but lettering is clearly black on light body color). I have the 1950 ORER which says the series is 79000-79157. It's a 10'6" ht, 42 foot length. Does anyone know of drawings or a possible starting point for a kit-bash? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken Roth 

Good call, Tim.  Those 79000 series M-K-T cars had War Emergency single sheathed bodies, but they were rebuilds; the new bodies were installed on 40 ton fish belly center sill underframes salvaged from wood bodied refrigerator cars.  Modeling one would be an interesting - and relatively easy - kitbash using an Intermountain body and the floor and underframe from an Accurail or Tichy box car kit.  I have a photo Ken might find useful and can scan it and send it to him off list.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: MKT 79000 series boxcars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:55 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Ken, it looks extremely similar to War Emergency box cars. I don't know
what else it could be.

Tim O'Connor

>In Tom Dill's Southern Pacific in Oregon Pictorial, there is a picture on page 46 of a Katy single-sheathed box with 5/5 dreadnaught ends and Youngstown steel door. It appears to be painted in the Yellow scheme (black and white photo, but lettering is clearly black on light body color). I have the 1950 ORER which says the series is 79000-79157. It's a 10'6" ht, 42 foot length. Does anyone know of drawings or a possible starting point for a kit-bash? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken Roth 

Good call, Tim.  Those 79000 series M-K-T cars had War Emergency single sheathed bodies, but they were rebuilds; the new bodies were installed on 40 ton fish belly center sill underframes salvaged from wood bodied refrigerator cars.  Modeling one would be an interesting - and relatively easy - kitbash using an Intermountain body and the floor and underframe from an Accurail or Tichy box car kit.  I have a photo Ken might find useful and can scan it and send it to him off list.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: MKT 79000 series boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Ken, it looks extremely similar to War Emergency box cars. I don't know
what else it could be.

Tim O'Connor

In Tom Dill's Southern Pacific in Oregon Pictorial, there is a picture on page 46 of a Katy single-sheathed box with 5/5 dreadnaught ends and Youngstown steel door. It appears to be painted in the Yellow scheme (black and white photo, but lettering is clearly black on light body color). I have the 1950 ORER which says the series is 79000-79157. It's a 10'6" ht, 42 foot length. Does anyone know of drawings or a possible starting point for a kit-bash? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken Roth


MKT 79000 series boxcars

Ken Roth
 

In Tom Dill's Southern Pacific in Oregon Pictorial, there is a picture on page 46 of a Katy single-sheathed box with 5/5 dreadnaught ends and Youngstown steel door.  It appears to be painted in the Yellow scheme (black and white photo, but lettering is clearly black on light body color).  I have the 1950 ORER which says the series is 79000-79157.  It's a 10'6" ht, 42 foot length.  Does anyone know of drawings or a possible starting point for a kit-bash?  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks, Ken Roth


Re: Tidewater Southern PS-1 decals

Tim O'Connor
 

Steven,

I think you are right. I've never seen a WP car in the number series 36026-36050.
The information I have came from a PS-1 spreadsheet, but I don't know where the info
came from originally.

Tim O'Connor

I don't believe that these cars vacated the TS roster. They are still listed in January 1968 as TS cars. In fact I have seen a couple of these cars on the ground as sheds, there's at least one in Portola (at the high school I think) with TS reporting marks, which to me indicates that they were Tidewater cars to the end.

A new and better set of decals... hmmm that means the cars that I built would have to be redone.

Thanks for the thread.
Steven Bechtold


Re: DT&I 16000-16199 after rebuilding

Ray Thibaut
 

The book "Wabash/Nickel Plate/DT&I Color Guide to Freight and Passenger Equipment" published by Morning Sun written by James Kinkaid has images of four of these cars.16081 is shown in the middle of page 97. 16190-H is shown on the bottom of page 97. 16191-H is shown on the top of page 98. The end doors of 16192-H is shown in the middle of page 98.
Ray Thibaut
teabow1958@...


Re: MKT decals for the yellow boxcars

Clark Propst
 

Gerry Glow offers those decals in both colors. 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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