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Re: Intermountain Gondolas ?

ed_mines
 

 The height of the sides is different -3'6" on the G&F car & 4'8" on the USRA car (& Intermountain model). The diagonals will require a lot of refitting.

 

Detail Associates make a gon end with 2 horizontal ribs for their GS gon and is available separately (you can buy it on e bay). Unfortunately it is for a 4'8" car too.

 

Why not model the car without rivets and just use styrene shapes? Scale rivets on the Intermountain car are barely noticeable.

 

Details West 4/4 Drednaught ends can also be bought on e bay.

 

 

sorry

ed_mines
 

I forgot to sign my previous message.

 

Ed Mines

Apologies

Gary Roe
 

My apologies to the group and Bob Hundman.  The other day, I misspoke about the drawing of the Wabash single sheathed car in the Nov/Dec 1980 issue of Mainline Modeler.  I was going off 30+ year memories and they were wrong.  The drawing wasn't reprinted later "at the correct scale", as I cannot find said "corrected" drawing in later issues of MM.  That said, I guess I was remembering that the drawing was printed in an "odd" scale (at least to me), as it was done in 3/16" = 1'.
 
gary roe
quincy, illinois

HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Richard Hendrickson
 

My online illustrated survey of HO scale plain journal freight car trucks has been updated.  For the latest version, go to:


or for an easier URL, courtesy of the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine:


As always, comments and corrections are welcome.

Richard Hendrickson

Re: Intermountain Gondolas ?

cddx@...
 

I guess this is some new "thing" to do with the groups changes.

The group photo album section will also not allow me to add them to a new album.

So I temporarily put them on my Fotki site, hopefully you will be able to see them here.

 

http://public.fotki.com/CDDX1/railroad/gf-scans/g-f-gondola.html

 

http://public.fotki.com/CDDX1/railroad/gf-scans/scan0052-copy.html 

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dills
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:42 AM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain Gondolas ?

I'm looking at using some Intermountain composite drop bottom gondolas to
model the cars that the G&F acquired circa 1926. From the sides, the cars
seem to be a spot on match. But the ends are not correct. In the attached
builders photo, you can see that the car has what appears to be a flat panel
with two ribs for the end, versus the corrugated type end that's on the
model. I also stumbled across a photo with one of these cars visible in the
background. It's a little easier to see the end of the car in this photo.

Do any of you know if there's a replacement end available? Or do you have
any tips for making a correct end? It appears that a strip of styrene with
two "ribs" attached would be very close if not exact. But I'm not aware of a
source for the "ribs". IT appears that they are similar if not identical to
the diagonal bracing on the sides of the cars.

Also, I have decals for the cars in the as built paint scheme shown in the
builders photo. But obviously these cars were repainted at some point as
evidenced by what's visible in the second photo. Would any of you know of
what the paint/lettering changes were, or have photos?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

-Chris


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Detailing the Southern Car & Foundry Standard Tank Car models

Bill Welch
 

I have all seven of Jon Cagle's kits and have five of them in what I call the "Prep Stage" with the u/f, running board, and tank cleaned up, couplers mounted and underframe drilled and tapped and the bottom of the tank also drilled and tapped so that I can screw the two together with long 2-56 screws. I am now ready to think about detailing the u/f and immediately have two questions and while I have a pretty good collection of tank car photos, I do not have any of these cars and the two prototype photos w/the instructions do not answer my questions, so here goes:

1.) There is a choice of two styles of plates w/cutouts in them that fit into the bolster ends. One has what I will call a "Four Leaf Clover" cutout and the second has a simple "Oval" shape (not strictly correct but close enough). For some reason I think the Oval shape was more common and the Four Leaf Clover design less common. I am wondering if anyone might be able to confirm this with any photos showing the Clover Leaf upon which I could then base one of the models?

2.) One of the models is a 6050 gallon capacity car and is shorter than the other models. The instructions say that I should secure the Tank Band Anchors just outside each bolster and just inside the two running board supports that are perpendicular to the length of the car. If I do this on the 6K car, it will result in the two inside tank bands being very close to the dome running just inside the radial line of rivets on each end of the middle section of the tank and just outside the riveted band around the dome. My intuition tells me this is wrong and that on this shorter car the Tank Band Anchors should go just outside the perpendicular running board supports thereby having the Tank Bands come over what I will call the 2nd and 4th sections of the tank. Again I am bereft of photos to either confirm or smash my intuition. Can anyone help me out authoritatively with this?

I have no hesitancy to purchase photos, I just don't know where to inquire. Any information on where to find photos and what to look for will be appreciated.

Thank you!

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930


Re: Intermountain Gondolas ?

Robert kirkham
 

Chris - unfortunately your photos didn't stay attached to your e-mail. Do you have an on-line link or reference to see what end you are referring to?

Rob Kirkham

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dills
Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:42 AM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Intermountain Gondolas ?

I'm looking at using some Intermountain composite drop bottom gondolas to model the cars that the G&F acquired circa 1926. From the sides, the cars seem to be a spot on match. But the ends are not correct. In the attached builders photo, you can see that the car has what appears to be a flat panel with two ribs for the end, versus the corrugated type end that's on the model. I also stumbled across a photo with one of these cars visible in the background. It's a little easier to see the end of the car in this photo.

Do any of you know if there's a replacement end available? Or do you have any tips for making a correct end? It appears that a strip of styrene with two "ribs" attached would be very close if not exact. But I'm not aware of a source for the "ribs". IT appears that they are similar if not identical to the diagonal bracing on the sides of the cars.

Also, I have decals for the cars in the as built paint scheme shown in the builders photo. But obviously these cars were repainted at some point as evidenced by what's visible in the second photo. Would any of you know of what the paint/lettering changes were, or have photos?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

-Chris






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Intermountain Gondolas ?

Chris Dills <cddx@...>
 

I'm looking at using some Intermountain composite drop bottom gondolas to model the cars that the G&F acquired circa 1926. From the sides, the cars seem to be a spot on match. But the ends are not correct. In the attached builders photo, you can see that the car has what appears to be a flat panel with two ribs for the end, versus the corrugated type end that's on the model. I also stumbled across a photo with one of these cars visible in the background. It's a little easier to see the end of the car in this photo.

Do any of you know if there's a replacement end available? Or do you have any tips for making a correct end? It appears that a strip of styrene with two "ribs" attached would be very close if not exact. But I'm not aware of a source for the "ribs". IT appears that they are similar if not identical to the diagonal bracing on the sides of the cars.

Also, I have decals for the cars in the as built paint scheme shown in the builders photo. But obviously these cars were repainted at some point as evidenced by what's visible in the second photo. Would any of you know of what the paint/lettering changes were, or have photos?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

-Chris

Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

caboose9792@...
 

Brad,
I don't know where in the world you are at but IRM (www.irm.org) has both a end door Rock island boxcar 264070
 
with no floor tubes and only extra interior fittings was some anchor points near the roof of the car. Yes, the end door does work. All that bickering about loading devices was unnecessary as some cars had them some did not. Also at the museum is an end door baggage car which allowed for automobiles or other long objects like stage show sets and backgrounds to be shipped express.
 
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 11/19/2013 9:45:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, cereshill@... writes:
Fellas,

I am curious what roads (other than SP) had auto boxcars with opening end doors.   I was searching on google and while I saw model images, I was not able to source any prototypical information or articles.   Any and all relevant info would be appreciated.    I also noticed lionel did various road names; curious if they are actually a scale model as their ps cars are...

With thanks,
Brad Andonian

Re: Question CP Scheme on New Accurail Release

Tim O'Connor
 


?? The link you provided shows a car with a 1962 stencil date.

But in any case the forklift floor loading stencils appeared sometime
between 1970 and 1980.

Tim O'


Accurail has released the 3600-series 40' double-door steel box car in the CP script scheme. That 25K marking to the left of the double doors seems too modern for a car with a 1941 shop date, but I'll let someone tell me if that is an erroneous observation on my part. My expectations for Accurail's accuracy are reasonably modest, but that marking really jumped out at me



Best,
Patrick Harris
Canton, Ga.
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http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/3600/3633.jpg
www.accurail.com

Re: PFE Dry Ice Reefer Experiment

Bill Welch
 

I cannot speak about PFE's experiments but Dry Ice cars were part of the FGE/WFE/BRE experiments to develop "unpropelled" (no motor or engine) Mechanical systems for handling frozen food shipments. Nine propelled and unpropelled systems were used in their trials. They judged that the cost of dry ice ruled out the system they tried. The other systems used various chemicals and a lot of plumbing that proved unreliable.


In the end only the Frigidaire (diesel) and Thermo-King (gasoline) propelled systems showed any promise and one of each were built which worked well and ten more of each were built, all 40-footers. The gasoline engine in the Thermo-King system limited their use to the FGE/WFE/BRE contract lines because other lines did not have to accept them because of the fire hazard the gasoline presented and only the eleven T-K cars were ever built while FGE and WFE built more 40-ft. cars and the FGE/WFE/BRE system settled on 50-ft as their standard Mechs.


Bill Welch




---In STMFC@..., <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

The November 1947 issues of TRAINS magazine (Page 66) reported that Pacific Fruit Express was experimenting with “a new type of dry ice refrigerator car”.  The article stated that “the dry ice is packed into metal roof compartments which are designed to direct the refrigeration downward through the load below…”

 

I found no reference to this in the PFE book. The book only mentions dry ice shipments and cars modified for this service.  The book does mention several classes of cars modified with overhead ice bunkers in 1940 but this was seven years before the experiment mention in TRAINS.

 

Does anyone know more about the dry ice car or cars?

 

Bob Chaparro

Moderator

Citrus Industry Modeling Group

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/citrusmodeling/info

Re: Roof for ARLX (Armour) reefer ~1700 series?

Clark Propst
 

Ed has mention the article on ARLX cars in the 1-2000 series.
 
I’ve built several cars and a CGW ice reefer before his article was published. I used ARLX decorated and undec IM reefer kits with doors, ends, and roof from Stan Rydarowicz. The roof isn’t really correct, but better than the one that comes with the kit. Jerry Glow offers decals for several different Armour paint schemes.
 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

Re: [PFE Dry Ice Reefer Experiment

Tony Thompson
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:

 
The November 1947 issues of TRAINS magazine (Page 66) reported that Pacific Fruit Express was experimenting with “a new type of dry ice refrigerator car”.  The article stated that “the dry ice is packed into metal roof compartments which are designed to direct the refrigeration downward through the load below…”
I found no reference to this in the PFE book. The book only mentions dry ice shipments and cars modified for this service.  The book does mention several classes of cars modified with overhead ice bunkers in 1940 but this was seven years before the experiment mention in TRAINS.

       PFE did experiment with dry ice refrigeration, but found it was too difficult to control, and often led to what we might call "freezer burn" on cargoes. As the trials were conducted with temporarily installed equipment and did not lead to any production cars, I did not include the info in the PFE book. In 1965, PFE experimented with a similar approach with super-cold refrigerant, using liquid nitrogen (see PFE book, page 178). Here again, temperature control proved hard to achieve. Those experimental cars were in service for a time, so they ARE in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




Re: Wabash RY: OB, Door + 3/4, Auto Car, Help

Dave Sarther
 

Chet,
 
Thanks for that additional information.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther    Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: cfrench39
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Nov 22, 2013 4:45 pm
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Wabash RY: OB, Door + 3/4, Auto Car, Help

 
Dave,

The wood sheathing was removed and replace with steel sides on the 45400-45999 series cars in
1935. The vertical posts and diagonal braces remained on the outside of the car sides.  Cars 46000
and 46001 also received steel sides.  Your model could be numbered for a car in the 45000 - 45399
group.

Chet French
Dixon,IL 


---In STMFC@..., wrote:

I am searching for some data and photos about the  Wabash  40',  single shea thed wood, outside braced, door and 3/4  auto cars from WAB  series #45400-45999 built in 1926-27.  The data I have found so far is from ORER's from 1937, 1954 and 1955.  I would like to supplement this information with some photos of cars from the series to complete a model.  I also believe that there was an article about these cars in the Mainline Modeler Nov-Dec 1980 issue, Volume 1 no.5.  If you can help me with either photos or shared information from MM please contact me.
 
Thanks,  Dave Sarther

Re: Roof for ARLX (Armour) reefer ~1700 series?

Jason Kliewer
 

Thanks Ed.  I have a few of the RP CYCs but don't have that one.  Was able to locate one and it's on the way.



Thanks again,



Jason 



---In STMFC@..., <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Nov 22, 2013, at 12:44 PM, <wcfn100@...> <wcfn100@...> wrote:

Does anyone have or know of information about the style or name of the roof on this series of cars.  I can't find a picture to link to, but it's panels' have two reinforcements running next to each other (as opposed to the large single Murphy type panel).

The CGW got some of the these for ice service and I'd like to try and model one.

Sorry for the vagueness, but I can't find any good pictures.

Jason

Jason,
I published an article about the ARLX 1-2000 series refrigerator cars in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 21. It included overhead photos and ACF drawings that depict the "depressed twin-panel roof" used on these cars. A roof using the same panel design was also on some ACF box cars published in RP CYC Volume 26. 

You're correct about the roof sheets having parallel corrugations. They were somewhat similar to, but different than, some box cars built by Depatch Shops and also on some Milwaukee Road rib-side box cars. The main difference is the area between the twin corrugations in which there is a tapered middle section that's difficult to describe. At a point near the edge of the roof, the middle section is slightly higher than the adjacent raised corrugations, and from there the middle section gradually tapers to its lowest point at the car center line under the running board.

RP CYC Volume 21 is sold out at the publisher but may be available from a dealer. Volume 26 is currently available. 

Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Re: Wabash RY: OB, Door + 3/4, Auto Car, Help

Chet
 

Dave,


The wood sheathing was removed and replace with steel sides on the 45400-45999 series cars in

1935. The vertical posts and diagonal braces remained on the outside of the car sides.  Cars 46000

and 46001 also received steel sides.  Your model could be numbered for a car in the 45000 - 45399

group.


Chet French

Dixon,IL 



---In STMFC@..., <sartherdj@...> wrote:

I am searching for some data and photos about the  Wabash  40',  single sheathed wood, outside braced, door and 3/4  auto cars from WAB  series #45400-45999 built in 1926-27.  The data I have found so far is from ORER's from 1937, 1954 and 1955.  I would like to supplement this information with some photos of cars from the series to complete a model.  I also believe that there was an article about these cars in the Mainline Modeler Nov-Dec 1980 issue, Volume 1 no.5.  If you can help me with either photos or shared information from MM please contact me.

 

Thanks,  Dave Sarther

sartherdj@...

Re: Opening End Door Boxcars

spsalso
 

Alex,


If you're modeling in HO, you may not be aware of the P2K end-door 50 double door boxes.  I believe they came in road names:  Q, GTW, ERIE, LV, SOU, UP.  I've got a couple around here somewhere, and wish I had a few more.




Ed


Edward Sutorik 



---In STMFC@..., <aschneiderjr@...> wrote:

Thanks to all who responded. As I model NYC in Michigan, it is a detail I need to add to appropriate cars.

 

I was looking at the NMRA Reprint of the January 1953 ORER.

 

Alex Schneider

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of guycwilber@...
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 7:26 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Opening End Door Boxcars

 




 

 

In a message dated 11/21/2013 4:12:25 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, doug.harding@... writes:

The AAR Pamphlet #28 you cite must be a much later version. The one I have is for “Methods for Loading, Bracing and Blocking Carload Shipments of Cast Iron Radiators in Closed Cars” issued Oct 1936, Revised Jan 1942.

 

Alex is correct, and referring to BULLETIN 28 issued by the Car Service Division of the AAR beginning in January of 1945 which listed all auto cars equipped with Evans Auto~Loaders or NYC Loaders or cars equipped only with floor tubes used in transporting larger motor vehicles, farm machinery, etc.  Printed in all subsequent ORER's as well as issued in pamphlet form from the CSD of the AAR which included additional currently released circulars and service orders regarding the use of auto cars equipped with loaders.  

 

You are referring to a Closed Car Loading Pamphlet which was one of a series of pamphlets issued by the Operating-Transportation Division of the ARA or AAR.    

 

Guy Wilber

Reno, Nevada




Re: Question CP Scheme on New Accurail Release

Benjamin Hom
 

Patrick Harris asked:
"Accurail has released the 3600-series 40' double-door steel box car in the CP script scheme. That 25K marking to the left of the double doors seems too modern for a car with a 1941 shop date, but I'll let someone tell me if that is an erroneous observation on my part."
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/3600/3633.jpg

I replied:
"At any rate, the 1941 reweigh date is anachronistic for a car with the script 'Canadian Pacific' scheme, which was introduced (at the earliest) in 1959."
 
...and upon closer examination, the REWEIGH date on the model is 11-62.  So yes, it's an erroneous observation all around.
 
 
Ben Hom

Re: Wabash RY: OB, Door + 3/4, Auto Car, Help

Dave Sarther
 

 Ben Hom, Gary Roe and Scott Haycock,
 
Gentlemen, thank you for answering my original questions about the 40' Wabash Auto cars.  Your responses have been very helpful and will keep me pointed in the right direction as I undertake this modeling challenge.  I am learning a lot about this particular car model and can see I still have plenty to learn to get it right.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther       Tucson, AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hom To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Nov 22, 2013 11:48 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Wabash RY: OB, Door + 3/4, Auto Car, Help

 
Dave Sarther asked:
"I am searching for some data and photos about the Wabash 40', single sheathed wood, outside braced, door and 3/4 auto cars from WAB series #45400-45999 built in 1926-27. The data I have found so far is from ORER's from 1937, 1954 and 1955. I would like to supplement this information with some photos of cars from the series to complete a model. I also believe that there was an article about these cars in the Mainline Modeler Nov - Dec 1980 issue, Volume 1 No 5.  If you can help me with either photos or shared information from MM please contact me."
 
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/wabssautomain.html
 
There is indeed an article by George Drake in the Nov-Dec 1980 issue of Mainline Modeler plus drawings. Usual warning about working from Hundman drawings applies. See also Bill Darnaby's "Building Resin Kits - a Wabash automobile box car" from the February 1993 issue of Mainline Modeler for a construction article on the HO scale Funaro model.  
 
 
Ben Hom
 
P.S.: "Outside Braced" is not an accurate description of these cars and is not supported by any industry literature.

Re: Question CP Scheme on New Accurail Release

Benjamin Hom
 

Patrick Harris asked:
"Accurail has released the 3600-series 40' double-door steel box car in the CP script scheme. That 25K marking to the left of the double doors seems too modern for a car with a 1941 shop date, but I'll let someone tell me if that is an erroneous observation on my part. My expectations for Accurail's accuracy are reasonably modest, but that marking really jumped out at me."
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/3600/3633.jpg
 
Let's kill one misconception right off the bat - it's not a "Shop Date", IT'S THE DATE THE CAR WAS REWEIGHED.  Freight cars were reweighed periodically, and that date doesn't necessarily indicate that the car underwent repairs or was repainted on that date.  It could, but more often it didn't.
 
At any rate, the 1941 reweigh date is anachronistic for a car with the script "Canadian Pacific" scheme, which was introduced (at the earliest) in 1959.
 
 
Ben Hom