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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Richard Townsend
 

The closest you will find for the GN express box cars is Central Valley T-57.  At least that is the closest I have found, and what I use.  They show up from time to time on eBay and at swap meets.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: martincooper
To: STMFC
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Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update
 


Hi:thanks for your response. Since I model GN in 1947 a RB truck for the express box cars is of interest. Marty Cooper
 














 



    

      
      
      
On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Marty, there's very little choice in RB trucks for 1960 and earlier.

Athearn and MDC in the 1960's produced 50 ton RB truck models with Hyatt
(convex caps) roller bearings and National C-1 style sideframes. They are
very crude to say the least.

Athearn made a 70 ton Timken RB truck with, I think, Barber sideframes,
and this was their standard "roller bearing" truck for 40 years more or
less. I think Atlas also makes a Timken RB Barber 70 ton truck.

Kadee and Kato make Timken RB ASF A-3 70 ton trucks The Kato has rotating
RB caps which suck, IMO. (They perform poorly and the caps fall off.)

That's about it, except for some express trucks and 3-axle trucks out there.

No one to my knowledge has made an HO scale Timken 50 ton RB truck with Barber
or ASF sideframes. Photos of such trucks can be found in the 1961 CBC and drawings
for ASF A-3, Barber Stabilized S-2-A-0, National C-1 and Chrysler FR-5E sideframes
for roller bearings can be found on pages 980-981 of the 1953 CBC.

Richard's lack of interest is understandable. Very few freight cars before 1950
were ordered with roller bearings, and they were mostly in restricted service.
Thank you, Tim, both for explaining why there are no RB trucks in my truck document and for listing the very few HO scale RB trucks that represent prototypes in use before 1960.  In the truck clinic that I have presented at several prototype modelers’ meetings (and will present again at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beacvh FL in January) I do mention and show illustrations of a number of early roller bearing trucks, including the ‘20s RB arch bars, but they’re not in my survey of HO scale trucks because at present there really are no set-of-the-art early RB trucks in HO scale.

Richard Hendrickson







    
    

    









Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Guy Wilber
 

Tim wrote:
 
 
"There were certainly FAR MORE cars than FGE/WFE/BRE with roller bearings before 1961,
which is the period of the list (1900-1960)."
 
 
December 12, 1958 tally was; 31,865 railroad owned cars and 6,555 private cars equipped with roller bearings.   The total of 38,420 cars represented less than 2% of all freight cars in 1958.  As of June, 1959, an additional 12,000 plus cars had been ordered equipped with roller bearings.     

 
"Some cars you would not expect to, got roller bearings. For example, the Great Northern
and CGW purchased coal hoppers in 1957 with roller bearing trucks."
 
Hopper cars dominated the railroad owned car types with a total of 13,145.  GN had 797 and CGW had 175 hoppers with roller bearings.  ACL was number one with a total of 3,580 followed by WM with 2,454. 
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:21:37 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update


Hi again: not to be critical , but a lack of interest leads to a lack of manufacturer's response. The GN and a few others used dalman- Andrews trucks, too few for manufacturers interest. So here I sit trying to cut up Andrews trucks and glue little pieces to dalman trucks. Alas! Marty Cooper













 



    

      
      
      

On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Marty, there's very little choice in RB trucks for 1960 and earlier.

Athearn and MDC in the 1960's produced 50 ton RB truck models with Hyatt
(convex caps) roller bearings and National C-1 style sideframes. They are
very crude to say the least.

Athearn made a 70 ton Timken RB truck with, I think, Barber sideframes,
and this was their standard "roller bearing" truck for 40 years more or
less. I think Atlas also makes a Timken RB Barber 70 ton truck.

Kadee and Kato make Timken RB ASF A-3 70 ton trucks The Kato has rotating
RB caps which suck, IMO. (They perform poorly and the caps fall off.)

That's about it, except for some express trucks and 3-axle trucks out there.

No one to my knowledge has made an HO scale Timken 50 ton RB truck with Barber
or ASF sideframes. Photos of such trucks can be found in the 1961 CBC and drawings
for ASF A-3, Barber Stabilized S-2-A-0, National C-1 and Chrysler FR-5E sideframes
for roller bearings can be found on pages 980-981 of the 1953 CBC.

Richard's lack of interest is understandable. Very few freight cars before 1950
were ordered with roller bearings, and they were mostly in restricted service.

Thank you, Tim, both for explaining why there are no RB trucks in my truck document and for listing the very few HO scale RB trucks that represent prototypes in use before 1960.  In the truck clinic that I have presented at several prototype modelers’ meetings (and will present again at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beacvh FL in January) I do mention and show illustrations of a number of early roller bearing trucks, including the ‘20s RB arch bars, but they’re not in my survey of HO scale trucks because at present there really are no set-of-the-art early RB trucks in HO scale.

Richard Hendrickson








    
    

    









Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 


There were certainly FAR MORE cars than FGE/WFE/BRE with roller bearings before 1961,
which is the period of the list (1900-1960).

Some cars with roller bearings had cast journal boxes and LOOKED like plain bearing cars.

Some cars you would not expect to, got roller bearings. For example, the Great Northern
and CGW purchased coal hoppers in 1957 with roller bearing trucks.

Tim O'Connor

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The only group freight cars in revenue service during the period of this list that I know of were the 1000 plus 50-ft. Mechanical reefers operated by the FGE/WFE/BRE System built from 1953 through 1957.

Bill,
 
From the AAR's Committee on Journal Roller Bearings 1959 Report.  As of December 12, 1958, cars equipped with roller bearings; FGE~1,809, WFE~160 and BRE~100 reefers and 200 box cars.
 
Regards,
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

martincooper@...
 



----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:21:37 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Hi:thanks for your response. Since I model GN in 1947 a RB truck for the express box cars is of interest. Marty Cooper
 














 



    

      
      
      

On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Marty, there's very little choice in RB trucks for 1960 and earlier.

Athearn and MDC in the 1960's produced 50 ton RB truck models with Hyatt
(convex caps) roller bearings and National C-1 style sideframes. They are
very crude to say the least.

Athearn made a 70 ton Timken RB truck with, I think, Barber sideframes,
and this was their standard "roller bearing" truck for 40 years more or
less. I think Atlas also makes a Timken RB Barber 70 ton truck.

Kadee and Kato make Timken RB ASF A-3 70 ton trucks The Kato has rotating
RB caps which suck, IMO. (They perform poorly and the caps fall off.)

That's about it, except for some express trucks and 3-axle trucks out there.

No one to my knowledge has made an HO scale Timken 50 ton RB truck with Barber
or ASF sideframes. Photos of such trucks can be found in the 1961 CBC and drawings
for ASF A-3, Barber Stabilized S-2-A-0, National C-1 and Chrysler FR-5E sideframes
for roller bearings can be found on pages 980-981 of the 1953 CBC.

Richard's lack of interest is understandable. Very few freight cars before 1950
were ordered with roller bearings, and they were mostly in restricted service.

Thank you, Tim, both for explaining why there are no RB trucks in my truck document and for listing the very few HO scale RB trucks that represent prototypes in use before 1960.  In the truck clinic that I have presented at several prototype modelers’ meetings (and will present again at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beacvh FL in January) I do mention and show illustrations of a number of early roller bearing trucks, including the ‘20s RB arch bars, but they’re not in my survey of HO scale trucks because at present there really are no set-of-the-art early RB trucks in HO scale.

Richard Hendrickson








    
    

    









Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Marty, there's very little choice in RB trucks for 1960 and earlier.

Athearn and MDC in the 1960's produced 50 ton RB truck models with Hyatt
(convex caps) roller bearings and National C-1 style sideframes. They are
very crude to say the least.

Athearn made a 70 ton Timken RB truck with, I think, Barber sideframes,
and this was their standard "roller bearing" truck for 40 years more or
less. I think Atlas also makes a Timken RB Barber 70 ton truck.

Kadee and Kato make Timken RB ASF A-3 70 ton trucks The Kato has rotating
RB caps which suck, IMO. (They perform poorly and the caps fall off.)

That's about it, except for some express trucks and 3-axle trucks out there.

No one to my knowledge has made an HO scale Timken 50 ton RB truck with Barber
or ASF sideframes. Photos of such trucks can be found in the 1961 CBC and drawings
for ASF A-3, Barber Stabilized S-2-A-0, National C-1 and Chrysler FR-5E sideframes
for roller bearings can be found on pages 980-981 of the 1953 CBC.

Richard's lack of interest is understandable. Very few freight cars before 1950
were ordered with roller bearings, and they were mostly in restricted service.

Thank you, Tim, both for explaining why there are no RB trucks in my truck document and for listing the very few HO scale RB trucks that represent prototypes in use before 1960.  In the truck clinic that I have presented at several prototype modelers’ meetings (and will present again at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beacvh FL in January) I do mention and show illustrations of a number of early roller bearing trucks, including the ‘20s RB arch bars, but they’re not in my survey of HO scale trucks because at present there really are no set-of-the-art early RB trucks in HO scale.

Richard Hendrickson



Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Guy Wilber
 

Bill wrote:
The only group freight cars in revenue service during the period of this list that I know of were the 1000 plus 50-ft. Mechanical reefers operated by the FGE/WFE/BRE System built from 1953 through 1957.
Bill,
 
From the AAR's Committee on Journal Roller Bearings 1959 Report.  As of December 12, 1958, cars equipped with roller bearings; FGE~1,809, WFE~160 and BRE~100 reefers and 200 box cars.
 
Regards,
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Bill Welch
 

The only group freight cars in revenue service during the period of this list that I know of were the 1000 plus 50-ft. Mechanical reefers operated by the FGE/WFE/BRE System built from 1953 through 1957.


Bill Welch



---In STMFC@..., <burgerbits20@...> wrote:

Hi:I wish to thank mr. Hendrickson for his work on freight car trucks. I am puzzled by his lack of interest in roller bearing trucks. While most roller bearings were used in high speed passenger , locomotives (including steam engines) and tenders, increasing use for freight service could be seen. The 1925 car builders cyc. Has a photo of an arch bar truck with roller bearings. GN express box cars in the mid 40s used roller bearings. I don't know which model trucks with roller bearings would be suitable for our time period, but it would be useful to find out. Marty Cooper


From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>;
To: STMFC@... <STMFC@...>;
Subject: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update
Sent: Sat, Nov 23, 2013 7:34:36 PM

 

My online illustrated survey of HO scale plain journal freight car trucks has been updated.  For the latest version, go to:



or for an easier URL, courtesy of the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine:


As always, comments and corrections are welcome.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 

Marty, there's very little choice in RB trucks for 1960 and earlier.

Athearn and MDC in the 1960's produced 50 ton RB truck models with Hyatt
(convex caps) roller bearings and National C-1 style sideframes. They are
very crude to say the least.

Athearn made a 70 ton Timken RB truck with, I think, Barber sideframes,
and this was their standard "roller bearing" truck for 40 years more or
less. I think Atlas also makes a Timken RB Barber 70 ton truck.

Kadee and Kato make Timken RB ASF A-3 70 ton trucks The Kato has rotating
RB caps which suck, IMO. (They perform poorly and the caps fall off.)

That's about it, except for some express trucks and 3-axle trucks out there.

No one to my knowledge has made an HO scale Timken 50 ton RB truck with Barber
or ASF sideframes. Photos of such trucks can be found in the 1961 CBC and drawings
for ASF A-3, Barber Stabilized S-2-A-0, National C-1 and Chrysler FR-5E sideframes
for roller bearings can be found on pages 980-981 of the 1953 CBC.

Richard's lack of interest is understandable. Very few freight cars before 1950
were ordered with roller bearings, and they were mostly in restricted service.

Tim O'Connor

Hi:I wish to thank mr. Hendrickson for his work on freight car trucks. I am puzzled by his lack of interest in roller bearing trucks. While most roller bearings were used in high speed passenger , locomotives (including steam engines) and tenders, increasing use for freight service could be seen. The 1925 car builders cyc. Has a photo of an arch bar truck with roller bearings. GN express box cars in the mid 40s used roller bearings. I don't know which model trucks with roller bearings would be suitable for our time period, but it would be useful to find out. Marty Cooper


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Maxine Cooper <burgerbits20@...>
 

Hi:I wish to thank mr. Hendrickson for his work on freight car trucks. I am puzzled by his lack of interest in roller bearing trucks. While most roller bearings were used in high speed passenger , locomotives (including steam engines) and tenders, increasing use for freight service could be seen. The 1925 car builders cyc. Has a photo of an arch bar truck with roller bearings. GN express box cars in the mid 40s used roller bearings. I don't know which model trucks with roller bearings would be suitable for our time period, but it would be useful to find out. Marty Cooper


From: Richard Hendrickson ;
To: STMFC@... <STMFC@...>;
Subject: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update
Sent: Sat, Nov 23, 2013 7:34:36 PM

 

My online illustrated survey of HO scale plain journal freight car trucks has been updated.  For the latest version, go to:



or for an easier URL, courtesy of the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine:


As always, comments and corrections are welcome.

Richard Hendrickson


H30 with PRSL return to

Bill Lane
 

I am hoping to find a photo of a H30 preferably in PRR FCR with a PRSL related “return to” data – if it exists. Please send me the photo, point me to the photo, or at least send the car number and how the “return to” data was worded.

 

Thank You,
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Re: Grace Tank car Line 657

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 23, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Brian Carlson <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Does anyone have the full size version of the photo of Grace tank car 657 shown in the Sunshine Mini Kit? I’m trying to determine if the cut lever is top or bottom operated and can’t from the instructions.
I have it, Brian, and I’ll send a scan off-list.  As you’ll see, the uncoupling lever is bottom operated.

Richard Hendrickson


Grace Tank car Line 657

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have the full size version of the photo of Grace tank car 657 shown in the Sunshine Mini Kit? I’m trying to determine if the cut lever is top or bottom operated and can’t from the instructions.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 


Re: Intermountain Gondolas ?

cddx@...
 

Ok, Had a "Duh" moment, never thought to look there.

 

THANKS! 

---In STMFC@..., <cddx@...> wrote:

Ed, Thanks for the info.

 

I'm  Just curious, Where did you get your information on the G&F cars? 


Re: Detailing the Southern Car & Foundry Standard Tank Car models

Bill Welch
 

thanks Andy, I will take that into consideration but one correction the model in question is a single compartment radial course car.


Bill Welch 



---In STMFC@..., <ajc5150@...> wrote:

Bill wrote:

 

2.) One of the models is a 6050 gallon capacity car and is shorter than the other models. The instructions say that I should secure the Tank Band Anchors just outside each bolster and just inside the two running board supports that are perpendicular to the length of the car. If I do this on the 6K car, it will result in the two inside tank bands being very close to the dome running just inside the radial line of rivets on each end of the middle section of the tank and just outside the riveted band around the dome. My intuition tells me this is wrong and that on this shorter car the Tank Band Anchors should go just outside the perpendicular running board supports thereby having the Tank Bands come over what I will call the 2nd and 4th sections of the tank. Again I am bereft of photos to either confirm or smash my intuition. Can anyone help me out authoritatively with this?

 

 

Bill,

 

This past week I was looking at my Sunshine GATC Radial Rivet tank car.  It has the same arrangement that you describe.  The inner bands are right next to dome flange.  Just outside the band are a row of rivets on the tank.  My car has rivets there because it is a radial rivet car and yours has them there because it is a multi-compartment car.  There are several photos of this arrangement in the Sunshine prototype data sheet.  If you have one of these cars, check it out.  It is the 99.X series of kits.  Page 2 of this flyer has a photo.

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun99c.pdf

 

Andy Cich


Re: Detailing the Southern Car & Foundry Standard Tank Car models

Andy Cich
 

Bill wrote:

 

2.) One of the models is a 6050 gallon capacity car and is shorter than the other models. The instructions say that I should secure the Tank Band Anchors just outside each bolster and just inside the two running board supports that are perpendicular to the length of the car. If I do this on the 6K car, it will result in the two inside tank bands being very close to the dome running just inside the radial line of rivets on each end of the middle section of the tank and just outside the riveted band around the dome. My intuition tells me this is wrong and that on this shorter car the Tank Band Anchors should go just outside the perpendicular running board supports thereby having the Tank Bands come over what I will call the 2nd and 4th sections of the tank. Again I am bereft of photos to either confirm or smash my intuition. Can anyone help me out authoritatively with this?

 

 

Bill,

 

This past week I was looking at my Sunshine GATC Radial Rivet tank car.  It has the same arrangement that you describe.  The inner bands are right next to dome flange.  Just outside the band are a row of rivets on the tank.  My car has rivets there because it is a radial rivet car and yours has them there because it is a multi-compartment car.  There are several photos of this arrangement in the Sunshine prototype data sheet.  If you have one of these cars, check it out.  It is the 99.X series of kits.  Page 2 of this flyer has a photo.

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun99c.pdf

 

Andy Cich


Re: Intermountain Gondolas ?

ed_mines
 

NMRA 1943 ORER reprint

 

Ed Mines 

---In STMFC@..., <ed_mines@...> wrote:

 The height of the sides is different -3'6" on the G&F car & 4'8" on the USRA car (& Intermountain model). The diagonals will require a lot of refitting.

 

Detail Associates make a gon end with 2 horizontal ribs for their GS gon and is available separately (you can buy it on e bay). Unfortunately it is for a 4'8" car too.

 

Why not model the car without rivets and just use styrene shapes? Scale rivets on the Intermountain car are barely noticeable.

 

Details West 4/4 Drednaught ends can also be bought on e bay.

 

 


Pre-war 7'-0" Youngstown boxcar Doors

O Fenton Wells
 

I am starting a new bash and need to know who, if anyone makes the 7'-0"prewar Youngstown doors.

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Re: Intermountain Gondolas ?

cddx@...
 

Ed, Thanks for the info.

 

I'm  Just curious, Where did you get your information on the G&F cars? 

---In STMFC@..., <cddx@...> wrote:

I'm looking at using some Intermountain composite drop bottom gondolas to model the cars that the G&F acquired circa 1926. From the sides, the cars seem to be a spot on match. But the ends are not correct. In the attached builders photo, you can see that the car has what appears to be a flat panel with two ribs for the end, versus the corrugated type end that's on the model. I also stumbled across a photo with one of these cars visible in the background. It's a little easier to see the end of the car in this photo.

Do any of you know if there's a replacement end available? Or do you have any tips for making a correct end? It appears that a strip of styrene with two "ribs" attached would be very close if not exact. But I'm not aware of a source for the "ribs". IT appears that they are similar if not identical to the diagonal bracing on the sides of the cars.

Also, I have decals for the cars in the as built paint scheme shown in the builders photo. But obviously these cars were repainted at some point as evidenced by what's visible in the second photo. Would any of you know of what the paint/lettering changes were, or have photos?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. THANKS!

-Chris


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