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Speedwitch models

Nathan Obermeyer
 


I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. What HO scale models do/did they produce? Did they produce any MoPac models? Thanks,

Nate

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Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

About 15 years years ago, I began using Barge Cement routinely for one step mounting of running boards- metal, plastic, and wood. A tiny amount does it; the boards almost immediately are tacked-down, the setting time allows manipulation and/or the application of "contact" methods, and…. the boards stay. These are few downsides.  It is right on my mind as I speak inasmuch as I just negotiated with Barge Cement a neat but ornery retrofit of a Kadee running board on a model not designed for it.

For a long time, Barge Cement has for me been one of the most important and useful glues in my model adhesive armamentarium.

Denny

 
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

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Link to Pattern Making PDF ending soon

Bill Welch
 

I wanted to alert folks that I will be removing the "Resin Kit Pattern Making" presentation sometime after December 8th to make room in my Dropbox in case you missed the initial message or have forgotten about it. This was presented recently at the Lisle RPM and last January at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, FL last January. Here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/njb94c1vwy7z1ov/Pattern%20making%20for%20resin%20kits.pdf

Also I added three more photos to the "Virginian BX10 Folder" over on the "Resin Freight Car Builders" Yahoo Group. These show the last small details to go on this side pattern including the door and its associated hardware. This project is intended to replace the sides in the Funaro & Camerlengo kit. There is also a message there where I describe what I did. I hope the above presentation and the photos showing how I built the Virginian car's Single Sheathed side will encourage others to begin to find something they are interested in and pursue it. Remember the several purveyors of resin kits often need our help.

I will add that I do not have any special training or knowledge. I do think that experience building resin freight cars is important, 25-30 at least I would say. I think what is required is a critical eye, patience, a willingness to start over, and steady hands plus a very good inventory of dimensional and sheet Evergreen Styrene and tools that fit the way you work. Once you get started and bump up against a problem, feel free to contact me and I will try to help you.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

It was not uncommon. OTOH, don't assume that painted journal box lids means
that the car has roller bearings. I've seen photos of cars with special types of
journal lubricators for plain bearings, with painted journal box lids.

The GN cars you're thinking of were the 71000 series ACF 1958's. They spelled out
"Timken Roller Bearing" on the car -- I think Champ made decals.

Tim O'Connor

In Vol. 3 of Model Railroader's INDUSTRIES ALONG THE TRACKS there is a photo of a GN covered hopper from the 1950's. The car has trucks with journal box lids, but there is lettering on the car which states that it is equipped with roller bearings. Unlike the UP cars Andy mentioned, it doesn't look like there was anything on the trucks to indicate that they had roller bearings. Unfortunately, I can't locate my copy of the publication, so I can't provide the car number; but how common was the use of journal box lids with roller bearings?

Mike Palmieri - Fort Worth, Texas


books for sale

ray mueller
 

railway prototype   cyclopedias vol. #1 and #7  $40 for the pair  like new contac me directy off list @ smuel10363@... or call 314-989-9650 ask for ray


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Skip Luke <salty4568@...>
 

Stupid Yahoo won't let me change my preferred email on this group to my gmail account. ....  I don't use Yahoo Mail anymore and only check it once in a while. All my other groups go to my Gmail addy. Need to change my email addy.

Skip


Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

Tony Thompson
 

Ed Mines wrote:

 
Anyone else try this (to attach roof walks to plastic models)? I used something like at work 30 years ago.

      Ed, as I have pointed out several times, there is a SUPERIOR adhesive for all kinds of dissimilar materials, and etched metal running boards in particular: canopy cement. I wrote a blog post about it last spring, if you're interested, and it is at this link:


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Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

mrprksr <mrprksr@...>
 

I've had good results using the same adhesive caulk I use to lay flex track.....use a tooth pick to smooth a small amount on each riser and weigh down roof walk till morning....this method gives you a little time to move roof walk around and get it straight and centered....been doing this for about ten years with no problems.....Larry Mennie


From: O Fenton Wells
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

 
PS Ed, while it doesn't smell too bad you don't want to breath many lacquer fumes either!
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Ed, to attach metal roofwalks to resin or plastic car roofs and other metal to resin and plastic points I use a combination of contact cement and lacquer thinner.  It was a tip I saw in a magazine years ago and it works.  I put a dab of contact cement on a piece of wax paper then use an old paint brush dipped in the thinner to thin the contact cement and paint it on the roof walk supports and the bottom of the roof walk.  Then set aside for a while to let both pieces dry.  Once they dry put them together but be careful as they will not move once set.
The only down side I see with this is that sometimes I get a little sloppy on the underside of the roof walk.  I doesn't show too bad after it's painted but I'll probably never win the NMRA best of show award.  I have done about 30 freight cars and diesel grills and in 25 years and 7 moves they are still attached.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 
Anyone else try this (to attach roof walks to plastic models)? I used something like at work 30 years ago.
 
It has a real acrid odor and may be causing me to itch; I wonder if it ever goes away.
 
Ed Mines



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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Michael Palmieri
 

In Vol. 3 of Model Railroader's INDUSTRIES ALONG THE TRACKS there is a photo of a GN covered hopper from the 1950's.  The car has trucks with journal box lids, but there is lettering on the car which states that it is equipped with roller bearings.  Unlike the UP cars Andy mentioned, it doesn't look like there was anything on the trucks to indicate that they had roller bearings.  Unfortunately, I can't locate my copy of the publication, so I can't provide the car number; but how common was the use of journal box lids with roller bearings?

 

 

Mike Palmieri - Fort Worth, Texas


Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

O Fenton Wells
 

PS Ed, while it doesn't smell too bad you don't want to breath many lacquer fumes either!
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:56 PM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Ed, to attach metal roofwalks to resin or plastic car roofs and other metal to resin and plastic points I use a combination of contact cement and lacquer thinner.  It was a tip I saw in a magazine years ago and it works.  I put a dab of contact cement on a piece of wax paper then use an old paint brush dipped in the thinner to thin the contact cement and paint it on the roof walk supports and the bottom of the roof walk.  Then set aside for a while to let both pieces dry.  Once they dry put them together but be careful as they will not move once set.
The only down side I see with this is that sometimes I get a little sloppy on the underside of the roof walk.  I doesn't show too bad after it's painted but I'll probably never win the NMRA best of show award.  I have done about 30 freight cars and diesel grills and in 25 years and 7 moves they are still attached.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 

Anyone else try this (to attach roof walks to plastic models)? I used something like at work 30 years ago.

 

It has a real acrid odor and may be causing me to itch; I wonder if it ever goes away.

 

Ed Mines




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5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

O Fenton Wells
 


Ed, to attach metal roofwalks to resin or plastic car roofs and other metal to resin and plastic points I use a combination of contact cement and lacquer thinner.  It was a tip I saw in a magazine years ago and it works.  I put a dab of contact cement on a piece of wax paper then use an old paint brush dipped in the thinner to thin the contact cement and paint it on the roof walk supports and the bottom of the roof walk.  Then set aside for a while to let both pieces dry.  Once they dry put them together but be careful as they will not move once set.
The only down side I see with this is that sometimes I get a little sloppy on the underside of the roof walk.  I doesn't show too bad after it's painted but I'll probably never win the NMRA best of show award.  I have done about 30 freight cars and diesel grills and in 25 years and 7 moves they are still attached.
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 3:46 PM, <ed_mines@...> wrote:
 

Anyone else try this (to attach roof walks to plastic models)? I used something like at work 30 years ago.

 

It has a real acrid odor and may be causing me to itch; I wonder if it ever goes away.

 

Ed Mines




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

ed_mines
 

Anyone else try this (to attach roof walks to plastic models)? I used something like at work 30 years ago.

 

It has a real acrid odor and may be causing me to itch; I wonder if it ever goes away.

 

Ed Mines


AB brake sets

ed_mines
 

I too like AB brake sets less complicated than the Tichy set. I like the old Cal Scale best but would be happy to buy the brake sprues from many of the Bowser kits.

 

The air reservoir and brake cylinders are hard to work with in the Tichy set and the reservoir is smaller than in other sets.

 

Ed Mines


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Curt Fortenberry
 

The C&O had a pioneering set of 1000 3-bay offset side hoppers delivered in 1949 with Timken roller bearings; 79000 series.  Bob Chapman had an article on modeling one in the April 1994 Mainline Modeler, plus  Al Kresse's article in a 2008 issue of the C&O HS magazine and his book on C&O hoppers.  I had to create my version of the truck by modifying a Kadee truck with Custom Finishing Timken caps.  Crude but it gets the point across.
 
Curt Fortenberry


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Richard Townsend
 

I agree that they aren't ASF Ride Control, but except for the spring seat area their spotting features are close to what the GN used.  I am referring especially to the Timken-style capped roller bearings and the jaws that hold the journals.  They are far from perfect for this application but they are far better than anything else I have found.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 10:34 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

 
Richard

The T-57 closely resembles the National C-1 with capped roller bearings shown on
page 981 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyc -- except that I think it represents the 50 ton
version (5 ft 6 in wheelbase) while the drawing shows a 70 ton truck (5 ft 8 in wheelbase)

Tim O'Connor


The closest you will find for the GN express box cars is Central Valley T-57.  At least that is the closest I have found, and what I use.
They show up from time to time on eBay and at swap meets.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


who is the maker of the dark brown AB sets that Sunshine used in their kits?

gary laakso
 

I found a pack in my stash of parts and the maker is Details-West, their BS-101 Brake Set W/Brakewheel Early Era 1940-1975. 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
 

Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:49 PM
Subject: [STMFC] who is the maker of the dark brown AB sets that Sunshine used in their kits?
 
 

I have installed the major components (air reservoir, control valve and brake cylinder) on 4 Great Northern double sheathed boxcars and one of the plywood sided boxcars that followed them and started installing their connecting wires.  The brown brake components include wonderful bases for the placement of these components.  Does any know who the manufacturer is?  I need to order more sets.
 
In between the wire work, I have started installing the side grab irons on the new Yarmouth Model Works Northern Pacific trussrod boxcars.  I am using the Westerfield 20” grab irons for the car sides.    When the attention span wanders, there are the 5 Milwaukee single sheathed bodies to work on, the next phase of which will be to add the roof walks. 
 
Don, the Rocket Express kits are very good and I ordered more so that I have my 4 car set. 
 
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Andy Sperandeo
 

Regarding roller bearing installations within the period of this list, 
the Union Pacific equipped a large group of S-40-10 class rebuilt stock cars with roller bearings in 1947 for fast Day Live Stock (symbol DLS) trains between Salt Lake City and Los Angeles. The rollers were installed in conventional journal boxes, but the box lids were painted yellow to mark the special equipment.

So long,

Andy





Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 

Richard

The T-57 closely resembles the National C-1 with capped roller bearings shown on
page 981 of the 1953 Car Builder's Cyc -- except that I think it represents the 50 ton
version (5 ft 6 in wheelbase) while the drawing shows a 70 ton truck (5 ft 8 in wheelbase)

Tim O'Connor


The closest you will find for the GN express box cars is Central Valley T-57.  At least that is the closest I have found, and what I use.
They show up from time to time on eBay and at swap meets.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Guy -- Any chance you could just list the top 20 railroads with roller bearing cars in 1959 or 1960?

Hopper cars were 29% of the railroad owned fleet in 1960. Your numbers show they were 34% of cars with
roller bearings. So hopper cars were slightly more likely to have them -- with a lot of help from the ACL! :-)

Tim O'Connor


Hopper cars dominated the railroad owned car types with a total of 13,145.  GN had 797 and CGW had 175 hoppers with roller bearings.  ACL was number one with a total of 3,580 followed by WM with 2,454. 
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Richard Townsend
 

The closest you will find for the GN express box cars is Central Valley T-57.  At least that is the closest I have found, and what I use.  They show up from time to time on eBay and at swap meets.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon

-----Original Message-----
From: martincooper
To: STMFC
Cc: STMFC
Sent: Sun, Nov 24, 2013 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update
 


Hi:thanks for your response. Since I model GN in 1947 a RB truck for the express box cars is of interest. Marty Cooper
 














 



    

      
      
      
On Nov 24, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Marty, there's very little choice in RB trucks for 1960 and earlier.

Athearn and MDC in the 1960's produced 50 ton RB truck models with Hyatt
(convex caps) roller bearings and National C-1 style sideframes. They are
very crude to say the least.

Athearn made a 70 ton Timken RB truck with, I think, Barber sideframes,
and this was their standard "roller bearing" truck for 40 years more or
less. I think Atlas also makes a Timken RB Barber 70 ton truck.

Kadee and Kato make Timken RB ASF A-3 70 ton trucks The Kato has rotating
RB caps which suck, IMO. (They perform poorly and the caps fall off.)

That's about it, except for some express trucks and 3-axle trucks out there.

No one to my knowledge has made an HO scale Timken 50 ton RB truck with Barber
or ASF sideframes. Photos of such trucks can be found in the 1961 CBC and drawings
for ASF A-3, Barber Stabilized S-2-A-0, National C-1 and Chrysler FR-5E sideframes
for roller bearings can be found on pages 980-981 of the 1953 CBC.

Richard's lack of interest is understandable. Very few freight cars before 1950
were ordered with roller bearings, and they were mostly in restricted service.
Thank you, Tim, both for explaining why there are no RB trucks in my truck document and for listing the very few HO scale RB trucks that represent prototypes in use before 1960.  In the truck clinic that I have presented at several prototype modelers’ meetings (and will present again at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beacvh FL in January) I do mention and show illustrations of a number of early roller bearing trucks, including the ‘20s RB arch bars, but they’re not in my survey of HO scale trucks because at present there really are no set-of-the-art early RB trucks in HO scale.

Richard Hendrickson







    
    

    








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