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Re: Warning! Barge cement has apparently changed. Re: Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I had initiated several post concerning the change in the formula for Barge cement
a little over a year ago. It might had been on the Proto 87 group as this was the recommended cement for track work. Upon learning about the change I was able
to locatge a large can (lifetime supply) on e-bay. You might give this vneue a try.
The difference in packaging is blue for the new and red and yellow for the old.

Bill Pardie

On Nov 26, 2013, at 7:49 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

Denny Anspach writes:

"For a long time, Barge Cement has for me been one of the most important and
useful glues in my model adhesive armamentarium."

I guess many if not all good things must come to an end eventually [
although the resurrection of Big Boy 4014 gives hope that the REALLY good
things CAN return ]. Anyhow, read the following reviews of Barge Cement
found from a Google Search.

"The old formula (yellow package) actually worked. This new "toluene free"
formula is not the same. It loses adhesion to what ever you stick it to, but
stays sticky on the side that is exposed. I used to use the old stuff in
place of shoe goo to fix snowboard boots. My attempt with the same use of
this new formula had my boots sticking to everything 3 months after
application. Everything except the boots where the glue has already peeled
off. The old formula was the absoulute best thing to fix old plastic
windsurf boards. This stuff will not work very well in a marine enviorment.
a.. Primary use:
b.. Personal
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend

AND: I used BARGE for many years. It was used in Fisher Body for auto doors
and arm rests, and it worked - it was the only one that did. If I had known
the formula was going to change I would have stocked up on the original one,
now I can't find it. The new formula don't work, it just made BARGE another
glue like all the other mediocre brands out there. Elmers works better at
less cost.

a.. Primary use:
b.. Business
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend"

Sorry guys. A Google search on Barge Cement turned up the change in Barge
Cement. Apparently the yellow package works, the blue may not.

Mike Brock



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Re: Warning! Barge cement has apparently changed. Re: Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 11/26/2013 9:49 AM, Mike Brock wrote:
This new "toluene free" 
formula is not the same.
    You can thank CA and probably some other states for this.  Companies don't like different formulas for different places.  I was able to pick up some various types of spray paints the other day (Graigslist) and by looking at the cans found out why they were getting rid of them cheap, they all contained toluene.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Barge cement has apparently changed.

Andy Carlson
 

Regarding new formula Barge cement:

The VOC contents needed to be reduced for air quality reasons. I have added MEK to the new formula Barge Cement in the blue tube, and it worked well for my purpose. I, however, have stockpiled several yellow tube Barge tubes.

Tandy Leather company sells Barge Cement as a private label cement. They have two formulas, one which if you read the ingredients, is the old-formula Barges. They are packed in small cans and after awhile of repeated openings, the product will start to "String". This is cured by dumping in some Tolunol or MEK. I frequently thin Barges Cement just to have a thinner and more workable consistency for applying metal running boards to box car roofs.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: Mike Brock
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:49 AM
Subject: Warning! Barge cement has apparently changed. Re: [STMFC] Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

Denny Anspach writes:

"For a long time, Barge Cement has for me been one of the most important and
useful glues in my model adhesive armamentarium."

I guess many if not all good things must come to an end eventually [
although the resurrection of Big Boy 4014 gives hope that the REALLY good
things CAN return ]. Anyhow, read the following reviews of Barge Cement
found from a Google Search.

"The old formula (yellow package) actually worked. This new "toluene free"
formula is not the same. It loses adhesion to what ever you stick it to, but
stays sticky on the side that is exposed. I used to use the old stuff in
place of shoe goo to fix snowboard boots. My attempt with the same use of
this new formula had my boots sticking to everything 3 months after
application. Everything except the boots where the glue has already peeled
off. The old formula was the absoulute best thing to fix old plastic
windsurf boards. This stuff will not work very well in a marine enviorment.
  a.. Primary use:
  b.. Personal
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend

AND: I used BARGE for many years. It was used in Fisher Body for auto doors
and arm rests, and it worked - it was the only one that did. If I had known
the formula was going to change I would have stocked up on the original one,
now I can't find it. The new formula don't work, it just made BARGE another
glue like all the other mediocre brands out there. Elmers works better at
less cost.

  a.. Primary use:
  b.. Business
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend"

Sorry guys. A Google search on Barge Cement turned up the change in Barge
Cement. Apparently the yellow package works, the blue may not.

Mike Brock



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Warning! Barge cement has apparently changed. Re: Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

Mikebrock
 

Denny Anspach writes:

"For a long time, Barge Cement has for me been one of the most important and useful glues in my model adhesive armamentarium."

I guess many if not all good things must come to an end eventually [ although the resurrection of Big Boy 4014 gives hope that the REALLY good things CAN return ]. Anyhow, read the following reviews of Barge Cement found from a Google Search.

"The old formula (yellow package) actually worked. This new "toluene free" formula is not the same. It loses adhesion to what ever you stick it to, but stays sticky on the side that is exposed. I used to use the old stuff in place of shoe goo to fix snowboard boots. My attempt with the same use of this new formula had my boots sticking to everything 3 months after application. Everything except the boots where the glue has already peeled off. The old formula was the absoulute best thing to fix old plastic windsurf boards. This stuff will not work very well in a marine enviorment.
a.. Primary use:
b.. Personal
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend

AND: I used BARGE for many years. It was used in Fisher Body for auto doors and arm rests, and it worked - it was the only one that did. If I had known the formula was going to change I would have stocked up on the original one, now I can't find it. The new formula don't work, it just made BARGE another glue like all the other mediocre brands out there. Elmers works better at less cost.

a.. Primary use:
b.. Business
Bottom Line No, I would not recommend this to a friend"

Sorry guys. A Google search on Barge Cement turned up the change in Barge Cement. Apparently the yellow package works, the blue may not.

Mike Brock


Re: Speedwitch models

Carl
 

Over the past several years, Ted Culotta, owner of Spedwitch has occasionally offered items (kits, decals, books) on eBay. The descriptions that accompanied these items usually indicated that they were "leftovers" from previous production. In addition, his site was not updated for quite some time. 


If you go to http://www.speedwitchmedia.com you can learn of his plans to relaunch, this time through what appears to be a "subscription" basis.  Best Wishes--Carl


PS--I have no connection to or financial or other interest in Speedwitch.  I do have several of Ted's kits and decals, have read much of the material from his excellent books, found him responsive and reliable in our previous dealings, and found him extremely personable when meeting him several years ago at a Cocoa Beach RPM meet. -cgc-



---In STMFC@..., <obermeyern@...> wrote:


I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. What HO scale models do/did they produce? Did they produce any MoPac models? Thanks,

Nate

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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Brian Carlson
 

Just to chime in, while it may seem odd that coal hoppers received roller bearings, remember that when they were new, they were experimental, and cost  a little more. Tests were often carried out on cars that tended to stay n home rails. There was a better chance of that with hopper and similarly UP’s stock cars.  Why go to the added expense of installing roller bearings on boxcars when they could wander off line for years, and you receive none of the reduced maintenance benefit during that time.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 


Re: Speedwitch models

Brian Carlson
 

Nate depending what line you model and the era you can probably many. During much big the steam era boxcars were generally free runners. Search the archives for Nelson - Gilbert discussions. 

Brian Carlson 


On Nov 26, 2013, at 9:50 AM, <obermeyern@...> wrote:

 

.  I want to contribute to the relaunch of the website if the produce models that I can use on my layout. 

 

Nate 



---In STMFC@..., wrote:

Nathan –

 


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Re: Speedwitch models

Nathan Obermeyer
 

I visited the new Speedwitch website and have sent a couple of emails since the site has started up and have received no reply.  I used the way backback machine link and looked at the previous products.  I wasn't able to find the list of kits on the sunshine website.  There was a link to Speedwitch, but it didn't work.  I want to contribute to the relaunch of the website if the produce models that I can use on my layout. 

 

Nate 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2013 4:14 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Speedwitch models

 

 

Nathan Obermeyer wrote:

 

I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. 

Nor will you. They have never done email and still don't, nor are they on the web. Jim Hayes has an excellent website listing all their models. To view it, go to:

 

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 


Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

william darnaby
 

I will second what the Doctor said and point out that his most valuable tip for using Barge Cement is to drill a .020 hole in the center of the cap.  This facilitates the application of small amounts and the straight pin used to plug the hole also makes a useful applicator.

 

Bill Darnaby (at a loss for big words like armamentarium)

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anspach Denny
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

 



About 15 years years ago, I began using Barge Cement routinely for one step mounting of running boards- metal, plastic, and wood. A tiny amount does it; the boards almost immediately are tacked-down, the setting time allows manipulation and/or the application of "contact" methods, and…. the boards stay. These are few downsides.  It is right on my mind as I speak inasmuch as I just negotiated with Barge Cement a neat but ornery retrofit of a Kadee running board on a model not designed for it.

 

For a long time, Barge Cement has for me been one of the most important and useful glues in my model adhesive armamentarium.

 

Denny

 

 

Denny S. Anspach MD

Sacramento

 

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Re: Speedwitch models

Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
 

Nate,

 

If memory serves me correctly, they did not produce any MP models.  The company closed several years ago and is in the process of being restarted, but so far no MP cars are in their initial start up.

 

Gene Semon

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Nathan Obermeyer
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 9:45 PM
To: stmfc@...
Subject: [STMFC] Speedwitch models

 





I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. What HO scale models do/did they produce? Did they produce any MoPac models? Thanks,

Nate

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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Guy Wilber
 

Tim asked:
 
"Any chance you could just list the top 20 railroads with roller bearing cars in 1959 or 1960?"
 
The only chart I have is the December/1958 copy.
 
1)  ACL~7057
2)  UP~2974
3)  WM~2552
4)  Southern~2303
5)  B&M~1965
6)  Trailer-Train~1874
7)  FGE~1809
8)  C&O~1653
9)  GN~1477
10)  SP~1440
11)  SF~1370
12)  PFE~1000
13)  NP~978
14)  CP~895
15)  L&N~697
16)  SL-SF~610
17)  CB&Q~558
18)  SAL~500
19)  REA~500
20)  NH~433
 
Guy WIlber
Reno, Nevada 


Viking roof variations

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I see that 'modern' steel vehicles like 1937 AAR boxcars could be fittted with Viking roofs, eg, C&O, Erie and US Navy owned cars.  
 
CNW/CMO USRA DS rebuilds -some of which cascaded to RI and FtDDM&S- also had them. 
 
Both groups of cars seem to have the version of the Viking roof with five thin corrugations running horizontally across the car on each panel between cross members.
 
From my Gold Coast TT models, I see that the roofs for older SS or DS cars have an overhang on the end, which makes their roofs about 8" longer than that on a 1937 AAR boxcar. 
 
I am not sure whether the CMO/CNW Viking roofed DS rebuilds had a rof with an overhang or something more like what you would saw on a 1937 AAR boxcar. 
 
I am doing a Viking roof master for TT cars and I am wondering, did the 1937 AAR boxes fitted with Viking roofs have a different version of the Viking roof to that used on the CNW/CMO DS rebuilds, or indeed earlier SS or DS cars with Viking roofs (I think D&H had SS boxcars with Viking roofs, no doubt there were others.) 
 
Or did they build the Viking roofs for modern cars one corrugation shorter or something, to take account of the difference in length ?
 
Regards
 
Ben Scanlon


Re: Speedwitch models

Clive Riley
 

Nathan –

 

You might want to try www.speedwitchmedia.com given that Ted has only recently (as of early Sept) gotten himself an updated website.

Hopefully he will shortly commence the release of his excellent kits again!!

Rgds/Clive

(In Australia)

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, 26 November 2013 4:14 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Speedwitch models

 

 

Nathan Obermeyer wrote:

 

I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. 

Nor will you. They have never done email and still don't, nor are they on the web. Jim Hayes has an excellent website listing all their models. To view it, go to:

 

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 


Re: Speedwitch models

kruegerp@...
 

I don't know if this is a comprehensive list, but here is a list from their site (pulled from the Internet Archive).


http://web.archive.org/web/20100328091343/http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm


Paul


Paul Krueger

Seattle, WA



---In STMFC@..., <obermeyern@...> wrote:


I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. What HO scale models do/did they produce? Did they produce any MoPac models? Thanks,

Nate

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


Re: Speedwitch models

Tony Thompson
 

Nathan Obermeyer wrote:
 

I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. 

Nor will you. They have never done email and still don't, nor are they on the web. Jim Hayes has an excellent website listing all their models. To view it, go to:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

rob.mclear3@...
 

Thanks to Tony for this.   I have recently been convinced by his many praises of this glue to give it a try.   I will not go back to anything else for roofwalk  attachment.   For metal roofwalks this stuff is amazing.   Looks like white glue when you get it out of the bottle but sticks like nothing else.   I use a toothpick to put small amounts on the roofwalk supports and then just lay the roofwalk on.  Sticks relatively fast, certainly faster than white glue, and dries clear.   Can't beat this stuff.  Thanks Tony for the heads up, and to other members give it a try I am sure you won't be disappointed I wasn't.


Rob McLear

Australia.



---In STMFC@..., <tony@...> wrote:

Ed Mines wrote:

 
Anyone else try this (to attach roof walks to plastic models)? I used something like at work 30 years ago.

      Ed, as I have pointed out several times, there is a SUPERIOR adhesive for all kinds of dissimilar materials, and etched metal running boards in particular: canopy cement. I wrote a blog post about it last spring, if you're interested, and it is at this link:


Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Speedwitch models

Nathan Obermeyer
 


I emailed Speedwitch models, but got no reply. What HO scale models do/did they produce? Did they produce any MoPac models? Thanks,

Nate

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android


Re: 3M contact adhesive between 2 release layers 467MP

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

About 15 years years ago, I began using Barge Cement routinely for one step mounting of running boards- metal, plastic, and wood. A tiny amount does it; the boards almost immediately are tacked-down, the setting time allows manipulation and/or the application of "contact" methods, and…. the boards stay. These are few downsides.  It is right on my mind as I speak inasmuch as I just negotiated with Barge Cement a neat but ornery retrofit of a Kadee running board on a model not designed for it.

For a long time, Barge Cement has for me been one of the most important and useful glues in my model adhesive armamentarium.

Denny

 
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento

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Link to Pattern Making PDF ending soon

Bill Welch
 

I wanted to alert folks that I will be removing the "Resin Kit Pattern Making" presentation sometime after December 8th to make room in my Dropbox in case you missed the initial message or have forgotten about it. This was presented recently at the Lisle RPM and last January at Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach, FL last January. Here is the link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/njb94c1vwy7z1ov/Pattern%20making%20for%20resin%20kits.pdf

Also I added three more photos to the "Virginian BX10 Folder" over on the "Resin Freight Car Builders" Yahoo Group. These show the last small details to go on this side pattern including the door and its associated hardware. This project is intended to replace the sides in the Funaro & Camerlengo kit. There is also a message there where I describe what I did. I hope the above presentation and the photos showing how I built the Virginian car's Single Sheathed side will encourage others to begin to find something they are interested in and pursue it. Remember the several purveyors of resin kits often need our help.

I will add that I do not have any special training or knowledge. I do think that experience building resin freight cars is important, 25-30 at least I would say. I think what is required is a critical eye, patience, a willingness to start over, and steady hands plus a very good inventory of dimensional and sheet Evergreen Styrene and tools that fit the way you work. Once you get started and bump up against a problem, feel free to contact me and I will try to help you.

Bill Welch
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727.470.9930
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Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

It was not uncommon. OTOH, don't assume that painted journal box lids means
that the car has roller bearings. I've seen photos of cars with special types of
journal lubricators for plain bearings, with painted journal box lids.

The GN cars you're thinking of were the 71000 series ACF 1958's. They spelled out
"Timken Roller Bearing" on the car -- I think Champ made decals.

Tim O'Connor

In Vol. 3 of Model Railroader's INDUSTRIES ALONG THE TRACKS there is a photo of a GN covered hopper from the 1950's. The car has trucks with journal box lids, but there is lettering on the car which states that it is equipped with roller bearings. Unlike the UP cars Andy mentioned, it doesn't look like there was anything on the trucks to indicate that they had roller bearings. Unfortunately, I can't locate my copy of the publication, so I can't provide the car number; but how common was the use of journal box lids with roller bearings?

Mike Palmieri - Fort Worth, Texas

73481 - 73500 of 193480