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Whatever happened to.....

 

The reintroduction of the old Ulrich GS gons?

Thanks!
Brian Ehni
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Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Rob Adams
 

One thing to keep in mind about nearly all of the steam-era Ann Arbor RR lettering sets (Including the Westerfield offering) is that the "R" is not correct for most of the real world Ann Arbor lettering jobs applied to these cars. 

If you look at photos of AA cars from the 1940's and 50's, you'll observe that nearly all repaints of the single sheathed box cars and open hoppers wearing 14 inch road name lettering have a horizontal bar at the bottom of both legs of the "R" (I call this a "Modified R").  Single and Double sheathed cars painted with 14 inch lettering in earlier years had a curved right leg style R (Also used on all of their Post-1954, 18 inch road name schemes applied only to steel box cars built after 1954 and subsequent repaints of earlier steel cars).  This curved R style, (I refer to it as an "Original R") is what you see reproduced in most decal and transfer sets. 

There were occasional exceptions where the curved R was used on the 14 inch schemes during the 40's and 50's, but reality is that the available HO sets do not reflect the road's "typical" lettering practices. Unfortunately, this characterizes all of the otherwise accurate sets... Westerfield's USRA SS Box set, Mark Vaughan's Wabash/AA hopper set as well as all of the CDS AA hopper sets. 

It is possible to modify the available sets to create the bar at the bottom of the R.  Fastidious modelers will likely wish to do so.

For a wealth of photographs and comprehensive information about the AA composite single and double sheathed box cars, I encourage you to track down a copy of Prototype Railroad Modeling Volume 2.  It features a lengthy article that I wrote about the subject.

If you are studying Ann Arbor freight cars of the steam era, you'll likely note that the AA War Emergency hoppers were delivered with the Curved style R, but contemporary repaints of other hoppers all wear the Modified R.  I've postulated that the Wabash' Decatur shops (where the AA WE hoppers were built) was still using the Original Curved R stencil, while the AA Owosso, Michigan shops was using a Modified R stencil for all repaints by that time.  This seems to be confirmed by the AA's first series of Postwar AAR cars (series 68000-68049) also built by the Decatur Shops.  Builder's photos show the Original R and 14 inch high road name.  Owosso repaints of those cars with 14 inch road name lettering have the Modified R.  By the time they received 18 inch road name lettering after 1954, use of the Original R was universal in the 18 inch scheme.

In O scale, there is an excellent set for the AA single sheathed box cars from Protocraft and thanks to Norm Buckhart's willingness to add the "Modified R" style lettering after its initial release, the set now includes both styles.

As an aside: Accurail did get the AA Road Name lettering right (Modified R) on their single sheathed box car model, though shape of the numerals in the reporting marks leaves a bit to be desired and the center sill and ends are incorrect.  That kit can be modified to create a credible replica of the AA 73750-series box cars.

Probably more than you wanted to know about AA freight cars and lettering.

Kind regards and Happy Thanksgiving,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA




On 11/27/13, 12:30 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
 

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?"
 
Geoffrey Barbier replied:
"Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars."
 
Here's a direct link to the ordering page on the Westerfield website (s/n D3319):
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104&page=3
 
 
Ben Hom




Door Marking, was P2K UP A-50-17

Guy Wilber
 

Tim asked:
 
" The stencil on the door (thin horiz white lines with a thicker line & ball in the middle)
     is rendered especially poorly -- What does that stencil mean anyway?"
 
 
Cars so marked were equipped with racks equipped to handle automobile parts.  First adopted in 1946 by the AAR's Mechanical Division's Car Construction Committee to satisfy request from the Car Service Division.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Parking charge during Prototype Rails = NOT

Mikebrock
 

For those traveling to Prototype Rails during Jan 9-12, you might notice a little notice on your room reservation that there is a daily parking charge for your car. This is NOT true, Unfortunately, the Hilton staff is unable to remove this charge from trheir computer system. The charge will be removed from your bill at pay time. If, for any reason, you are charged this fee, let me know pronto. I will be at the hotel on Sunday morning, Jan 12....though hardly awake <G>. Also, there is no charge for internet service.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss...the guy with the big target on his back


Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

 Thanks, I ordered a set from Andrew this afternoon.


Charlie Duckworth



---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote:

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?"
 
Geoffrey Barbier replied:
"Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars."
 
Here's a direct link to the ordering page on the Westerfield website (s/n D3319):
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104&page=3
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: canopy cement

Tony Thompson
 

Dave North wrote:

 
The added benefit I have found with Canopy Glue is that it dries flexible and provides a flexible membrane between the styrene and etched metal.

This helps to deal with the different expansion/contraction rates of the two materials when temperature changes occur.  

This is certainly an improvement over the super glue used by the manufacturers, which lacks both the flexibility and sheer strength to deal the different expansion rates.

Your method sounds like it would provide a much stronger bond.


     But "stronger" is not what you want. Thermal expansion and contraction forces are REALLY big. You want flexible, which is why canopy cement is better than CA (CA is far sronger but NOT flexible).

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?"
 
Geoffrey Barbier replied:
"Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars."
 
Here's a direct link to the ordering page on the Westerfield website (s/n D3319):
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104&page=3
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Geoffrey Barbier
 

Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars.


Geoffrey Barbier

Allentown, PA 



---In STMFC@..., <omahaduck@...> wrote:

I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?

Thanks
Charlie Duckworth


Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?


Thanks
Charlie Duckworth


Re: P2K UP A-50-17

Bob Sterner
 

Thanks, everyone.  Knowing next to nothing about UP freight cars, I picked up one of these on a whim very cheap at a show, intending it mainly to add to my small collection of mainly post-steam freight cars I run around during Free-mo meets.  For this purpose the prototype bar isn't high but man oh man I didn't expect this many faults. 


Bob Sterner

St. Paul, MN



---In STMFC@..., <cepropst@...> wrote:

I’m with Rich on this ‘sticker shock’ thing. I’m just finishing a Sunshine mini-kit with a P2K single door 50 fter kit as a core. Price on the box is $7. Seems like only yesterday I was at Trainfest in Milwaukee having a soft drink when a friend asked how much I paid for it? I said $3.50. He replied “You could have bought a Life Like kit for that!” This year there were only a very few Branchline kits amongst the hundreds/thousands of RTR boxes. Ah, for the good old days when the market was flooded with kits...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: P2K UP A-50-17

Clark Propst
 

I’m with Rich on this ‘sticker shock’ thing. I’m just finishing a Sunshine mini-kit with a P2K single door 50 fter kit as a core. Price on the box is $7. Seems like only yesterday I was at Trainfest in Milwaukee having a soft drink when a friend asked how much I paid for it? I said $3.50. He replied “You could have bought a Life Like kit for that!” This year there were only a very few Branchline kits amongst the hundreds/thousands of RTR boxes. Ah, for the good old days when the market was flooded with kits...
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: canopy cement

North Model Railroad Supplies <nmrs@...>
 

Hi Steve,

The added benefit I have found with Canopy Glue is that it dries flexible and provides a flexible membrane between the styrene and etched metal.

This helps to deal with the different expansion/contraction rates of the two materials when temperature changes occur.  

This is certainly an improvement over the super glue used by the manufacturers, which lacks both the flexibility and sheer strength to deal the different expansion rates.

Your method sounds like it would provide a much stronger bond.

Cheers

Dave North

 


Re: Viking roof variations

Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
 


Ben,
I will mail separately a roof top view of a GN15000 series car, a former Erie-Lackawanna car.
Staffan Ehnbom
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:22 AM
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Viking roof variations

 

Thank you for valued help, Richard, and my appreciation also for your RMJ series on AAR 1940s boxcars. am noticing also that at least one close up of the C&O roof shows the cross members to be rather different to those on Hutchins roofs . They seem to be rather rounded on top. If anyone has a close up image of the cross member of the version of the Viking roof as applied to the rebuilt DS cars or a 1937 AAR boxcar, I would appreciate seeing it . regards Ben S.


Re: Viking roof variations

Benjamin Scanlon
 

Thank you for valued help, Richard, and my appreciation also for your RMJ series on AAR 1940s boxcars. am noticing also that at least one close up of the C&O roof shows the cross members to be rather different to those on Hutchins roofs . They seem to be rather rounded on top. If anyone has a close up image of the cross member of the version of the Viking roof as applied to the rebuilt DS cars or a 1937 AAR boxcar, I would appreciate seeing it . regards Ben S.


Re: P2K UP A-50-17

Mikebrock
 

The UP A-50-17 class was built during 1941-2. The "New" date should reflect that...as does the photo in the late Terry Metcalfe's book on UP frt cars.

Mike Brock


Re: P2K UP A-50-17

Tim O'Connor
 

Bob

A Proto 2000 double-door end-door is the correct style for a UP A-50-17.

  (Note: The end-door P2K models still have the bad roofs on them. The
   roof was only corrected on the models that had no end doors.)

The "Automated Rail Way" slogan didn't appear until 1961.

The number of errors in the lettering is ridiculous --

  ** Should be U P and not U. P. (no periods)

  ** The car number is oversized

  ** The slogan is undersized

  ** The slogan's placement with respect to the UP shield is incorrect

  ** The words UNION and PACIFIC (over/under) should be closer together

  ** The UP shield is the wrong size

  ** At least two characteristic UP stencils (shop stencil and lube stencil) are missing

  ** The stencil on the door (thin horiz white lines with a thicker line & ball in the middle)
     is rendered especially poorly -- What does that stencil mean anyway?


Did Walthers even LOOK at a photo when they did the artwork for this model??

Tim O'Connor

------------------------------------------------

 What's the verdict on this model:
  http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-41657
 with NEW stencil date 9-56?
 Thanks,
 Bob Sterner
 St. Paul, MN


Re: P2K UP A-50-17

Richard Remiarz
 

Sorry,
 
I accidently hit the send key before finishing editing the email and completing the signature block.
 
Bob,
 
I believe the paint scheme is too new for your era.  The ends and roof are too old for a new date in 1956.  For 1956 there should be a diagonal panel roof and the latest Post-war dreadnaught ends.  I suppose the price is becoming the norm for RTR cars, but I must be getting old, as it seems just yesterday we were paying around $10.00 for these as a kits.
 
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN
 

To: stmfc@...
From: rremiarz@...
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 22:14:15 -0600
Subject: RE: [STMFC] P2K UP A-50-17



The paint scheme appears to be too new for your era.  The ends and roof are too old for a new date in 1956.  For 1956 there should be a diagonal panel roof and the latest Post-war dreadnaught ends.  To top it off, the price is very high for an older Proto 2000 car.
 
Rich
 

To: STMFC@...
From: rwsterner@...
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:43:26 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] P2K UP A-50-17



What's the verdict on this model:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-41657

with NEW stencil date 9-56?

Thanks,
Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN




Re: P2K UP A-50-17

Richard Remiarz
 

The paint scheme appears to be too new for your era.  The ends and roof are too old for a new date in 1956.  For 1956 there should be a diagonal panel roof and the latest Post-war dreadnaught ends.  To top it off, the price is very high for an old Proto 2000 car.
 
Rich
 

To: STMFC@...
From: rwsterner@...
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:43:26 -0800
Subject: [STMFC] P2K UP A-50-17



What's the verdict on this model:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-41657

with NEW stencil date 9-56?

Thanks,
Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN


P2K UP A-50-17

Bob Sterner
 

What's the verdict on this model:

http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-41657

with NEW stencil date 9-56?

Thanks,
Bob Sterner
St. Paul, MN


Re: canopy cement

midrly
 

For attaching running boards to plastic model STMFC rooves, I use solvent.  Place the running board on the roof, applying solvent to the running board brackets with a small brush. I apply more solvent to these after a few minutes.  And more yet, the grid of the running board will hold a fair bit of solvent.


With the running board supports softened a bit by solvent, turn the carbody upside down and push the running board against a flat sheet of glass.  Hold the carbody for a few minutes to allow the solvent-covered styrene supports to push themselves through the running board grid.


Turn the model back over and allow ti to cure for a few days.


Steve Lucas.


  


     



---In STMFC@..., <nmrs@...> wrote:

Pacer are the manufacturers of Canopy Glue.

The stock number is PT-56

And as both Tony and Rob McLear said, it works.

Cheers

Dave North

 

 

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