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Re: Door Marking, was P2K UP A-50-17

Guy Wilber
 

Tim asked:
 
 
"Is there a similar document for the stencils that you have described?"
 
Yes, the Plates within Section L of the AAR Manual of Standard and Recommended Practice.
 
 
"I often see this bar-ball stencil with or without lines above and below, and another common door stencil is a circle with a vertical line.  Also a bar-ball with vertical lines on each side. (Which I always thought meant the car was equipped with movable bulkheads.)"
 
 
Plate 42-A was adopted in August of 1946.  The figure was a 5" diameter ball centered over a 10" long x 3" high solid bar.  Applied, the figure signified cars equipped to handle auto parts.
 
In 1959 the Car Construction Committee was requested to develop figures which would signify cars equipped with Evans DF, Spartan Tri-Belt and Transco S-L load restraining devices. 
 
The figure developed to signify cars equipped with bar type restraining systems (as above) was the same as 42-A with the addition of two 7-1/2" long x 1-1/2" high bars placed horizontally above and below the key slot.
 
The figure developed to signify cars equipped with movable bulkheads was the same as 42-A with the addition of two  7-1/2" x 1-1/2" vertical bars bracketing the key slot. 
 
At that same time Plate 42-A was incorporated into the same grouping with the caption, "Method of marking cars equipped for handling  containers."
 
The figures (presented as Plate 42-B) were approved and became effective on March 1, 1960.
 
The circle with the vertical bar was Plate 42-D adopted in 1953.  The figure was a 6" inch in diameter x 1" thick circle with a 1" thick vertical bar.  The figure was stenciled on cars equipped with permanent lading strap anchors.   
 
Regards,
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada
 
 
 
 


Look for and Announcement and details for SHAKE N TAKE 2014 this weekend.

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
As is tradition, this weekend, generally on Saturday evening, I will announce the details and start taking and posting names for the 2014 SHAKE N TAKE at Prototype Rails.
 
This year we are limited to thirty (30) spots twenty two (22) of which will be taken over the Internet as pre-registration and eight (8) reserved for walk-in registrants at the event. We will take about another six as stand-by for those that are no shows. YOUR MUST BE THERE TO RECEIVE THE KIT.
 
I will have about 80 copies of the handout and we are a one time presentation. So you are welcome to sit in and again after the event the data will go on the SHAKE N TAKE Yahoo Group website owned and moderated by Schuyler Larabee. ~ notice I didn't say immediately following~  It will be a composite kit as it has been in the past few years. More details on the exact subject Saturday evening.
 
Please DO NOT email Mike Brock directly to ask to be added ~ email me DIRECTLY or via the group.
 
I will keep a tab of whom has made the list as developed, and post it on one the list you are viewing this message on. First come first served. The idea of this is to have the kits built and returned the following year, not sold via the net later. If you don't want to model it, sit and let someone take your turn.
 
as in the great words of Tom Hanks , "There's no crying in Baseball..."  Please stay tuned hold your messages regarding the subject until Saturday... no sneak previews...
 
Greg Martin
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Re: Whatever happened to.....

Tony Thompson
 

Brian Ehni wrote:
 

The reintroduction of the old Ulrich GS gons?

     The owner of the Ulrich material and dies has said repeatedly to me that he WANTS to do the Ulrich gons as injected plastic, in the old Zamac-molding dies. But he has found the line of highway trucks more interesting and entirely profitable, so whenever we might see these 1920s Enterprise-design gons revived, I really have no idea and no longer much hope. I would sure be interested. 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Barge cement has apparently changed.

Denny Anspach <danspachmd@...>
 

I use the new blue Barge cement all the time in my modelling,  and I have noted no difference in my work from the old yellow variety  whatsoever- nada, zip, nothing (I do have both).  It sticks, it is flexible, it is easy to use, it is commonly available at most hardware stores, and it does not "string", unless  application process is slow enough that the exposed cement starts to set up. I have to date found no necessity to thin it with solvent. Barge Cement is not Goo.

I apply Barge through a 0.60" hole drilled in the crown of the tube cap.  I plug it with a specimen pin. 

I do not glue-sniff now, and never have felt that I have in the past. 

I too use Canopy Cement, and it is a very useful modeling cement- as amply noted.  For me, however, the "tacking"  flexible features of Barge, and easy one -motion, one-hand application have made it far more useful in my own day-in/day-out modeling.

Denny
 
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento, CA 

Please note my new eMail address.






Re: Whatever happened to.....

 

That's what I was afraid of. 

Thanks!
Brian Ehni 
(Sent from my iPhone)

On Nov 27, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 


Vaporware. Unfortunately. I would love to see them in plastic.

Tim O'

At 11/27/2013 08:19 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
>The reintroduction of the old Ulrich GS gons?
>
>Thanks!
>Brian Ehni
>(Sent from my iPhone)


Re: Height of CofG 2325

Tim O'Connor
 

yes 10'0" IH

Tim O'

------------------------------------

I am using a large collection of photos taken around 1972 as a basis for making a set of boxcars for microsoft train simulator/open rails. I'm working on CofG 50' boxcar #2325 and wondering if somebody with the right official register can check the height. The car seems to be outside my range of official railway equipment registers which goes up through 1960. The photo is not clear but suggests it might be 10'. I would like to confirm, so as to be accurate.
thank you
Christopher


Re: Whatever happened to.....

Tim O'Connor
 

Vaporware. Unfortunately. I would love to see them in plastic.

Tim O'

At 11/27/2013 08:19 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
The reintroduction of the old Ulrich GS gons?

Thanks!
Brian Ehni
(Sent from my iPhone)


Re: Door Marking, was P2K UP A-50-17

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks Guy.

I went back through some old emails and found a reference to AAR Bulletin #28 which can
be found on p.721 of my 1953 ORER. This describes the stenciling for cars equipped with
automobile racks (but not auto parts racks), including special instructions for FLOOR TUBES.
(Which was a topic of discussion of late.)

Is there a similar document for the stencils that you have described? I often see this bar-ball
stencil with or without lines above and below, and another common door stencil is a circle with
a vertical line.  Also a bar-ball with vertical lines on each side. (Which I always thought meant
the car was equipped with movable bulkheads.)

Tim O'Connor




Tim asked:
 
" The stencil on the door (thin horiz white lines with a thicker line & ball in the middle)
     is rendered especially poorly -- What does that stencil mean anyway?"
 
 
Cars so marked were equipped with racks equipped to handle automobile parts.  First adopted in 1946 by the AAR's Mechanical Division's Car Construction Committee to satisfy request from the Car Service Division.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Ed
 

Richard,


A wonderful piece of research that we all benefit from.  It looks as if you have added examples of currently available trucks.  Is that the only change?  Your document is so comprehensive I have difficulty sorting out the changes except for the pictures.


Ed Robinson



---In STMFC@..., <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

My online illustrated survey of HO scale plain journal freight car trucks has been updated.  For the latest version, go to:


or for an easier URL, courtesy of the online Model Railroad Hobbyist magazine:


As always, comments and corrections are welcome.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: canopy cement

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Hey gang. I thought I’d chime in as I’m using it on my F&C Wabash Gon.

I have been using Aileens craft glue for fabrics for my running boards and similar etched parts. It is also a white glue with flexibility similar to canopy glue. The aircraft modelers turned me on to this years ago and I can attest to it’s strength over the years. Available at craft stores like Hobby Lobby and Michaels it comes in different versions. I have been using the Gold bottle and it is much cheaper than hobbyshop stuff.

 

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you that inspire me to be a more accurate modeler.

 

Sincerely,

Rob Manley

Midwest Mod-U-Trak

"Better modeling through personal embarassment"

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:43 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: canopy cement

 

 

Dave North wrote:



 

The added benefit I have found with Canopy Glue is that it dries flexible and provides a flexible membrane between the styrene and etched metal.

This helps to deal with the different expansion/contraction rates of the two materials when temperature changes occur.  

This is certainly an improvement over the super glue used by the manufacturers, which lacks both the flexibility and sheer strength to deal the different expansion rates.

Your method sounds like it would provide a much stronger bond.

 

     But "stronger" is not what you want. Thermal expansion and contraction forces are REALLY big. You want flexible, which is why canopy cement is better than CA (CA is far sronger but NOT flexible).

 

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...

Publishers of books on railroad history

 

 

 


Height of CofG 50' Boxcar 2325

Chris Parker
 

I am using a large collection of photos taken around 1972 as a basis for making a set of boxcars for microsoft train simulator/open rails.  I'm working on CofG 50' boxcar #2325 and wondering if somebody with the right official register can check the height.  The car seems to be outside my range of official railway equipment registers which goes up through 1960.  The photo is not clear but suggests it might be 10'.  I would like to confirm, so as to be accurate.

thank you
Christopher


Whatever happened to.....

 

The reintroduction of the old Ulrich GS gons?

Thanks!
Brian Ehni
(Sent from my iPhone)


Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Rob Adams
 

One thing to keep in mind about nearly all of the steam-era Ann Arbor RR lettering sets (Including the Westerfield offering) is that the "R" is not correct for most of the real world Ann Arbor lettering jobs applied to these cars. 

If you look at photos of AA cars from the 1940's and 50's, you'll observe that nearly all repaints of the single sheathed box cars and open hoppers wearing 14 inch road name lettering have a horizontal bar at the bottom of both legs of the "R" (I call this a "Modified R").  Single and Double sheathed cars painted with 14 inch lettering in earlier years had a curved right leg style R (Also used on all of their Post-1954, 18 inch road name schemes applied only to steel box cars built after 1954 and subsequent repaints of earlier steel cars).  This curved R style, (I refer to it as an "Original R") is what you see reproduced in most decal and transfer sets. 

There were occasional exceptions where the curved R was used on the 14 inch schemes during the 40's and 50's, but reality is that the available HO sets do not reflect the road's "typical" lettering practices. Unfortunately, this characterizes all of the otherwise accurate sets... Westerfield's USRA SS Box set, Mark Vaughan's Wabash/AA hopper set as well as all of the CDS AA hopper sets. 

It is possible to modify the available sets to create the bar at the bottom of the R.  Fastidious modelers will likely wish to do so.

For a wealth of photographs and comprehensive information about the AA composite single and double sheathed box cars, I encourage you to track down a copy of Prototype Railroad Modeling Volume 2.  It features a lengthy article that I wrote about the subject.

If you are studying Ann Arbor freight cars of the steam era, you'll likely note that the AA War Emergency hoppers were delivered with the Curved style R, but contemporary repaints of other hoppers all wear the Modified R.  I've postulated that the Wabash' Decatur shops (where the AA WE hoppers were built) was still using the Original Curved R stencil, while the AA Owosso, Michigan shops was using a Modified R stencil for all repaints by that time.  This seems to be confirmed by the AA's first series of Postwar AAR cars (series 68000-68049) also built by the Decatur Shops.  Builder's photos show the Original R and 14 inch high road name.  Owosso repaints of those cars with 14 inch road name lettering have the Modified R.  By the time they received 18 inch road name lettering after 1954, use of the Original R was universal in the 18 inch scheme.

In O scale, there is an excellent set for the AA single sheathed box cars from Protocraft and thanks to Norm Buckhart's willingness to add the "Modified R" style lettering after its initial release, the set now includes both styles.

As an aside: Accurail did get the AA Road Name lettering right (Modified R) on their single sheathed box car model, though shape of the numerals in the reporting marks leaves a bit to be desired and the center sill and ends are incorrect.  That kit can be modified to create a credible replica of the AA 73750-series box cars.

Probably more than you wanted to know about AA freight cars and lettering.

Kind regards and Happy Thanksgiving,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA




On 11/27/13, 12:30 PM, Benjamin Hom wrote:
 

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?"
 
Geoffrey Barbier replied:
"Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars."
 
Here's a direct link to the ordering page on the Westerfield website (s/n D3319):
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104&page=3
 
 
Ben Hom




Door Marking, was P2K UP A-50-17

Guy Wilber
 

Tim asked:
 
" The stencil on the door (thin horiz white lines with a thicker line & ball in the middle)
     is rendered especially poorly -- What does that stencil mean anyway?"
 
 
Cars so marked were equipped with racks equipped to handle automobile parts.  First adopted in 1946 by the AAR's Mechanical Division's Car Construction Committee to satisfy request from the Car Service Division.
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada


Parking charge during Prototype Rails = NOT

Mikebrock
 

For those traveling to Prototype Rails during Jan 9-12, you might notice a little notice on your room reservation that there is a daily parking charge for your car. This is NOT true, Unfortunately, the Hilton staff is unable to remove this charge from trheir computer system. The charge will be removed from your bill at pay time. If, for any reason, you are charged this fee, let me know pronto. I will be at the hotel on Sunday morning, Jan 12....though hardly awake <G>. Also, there is no charge for internet service.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss...the guy with the big target on his back


Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

 Thanks, I ordered a set from Andrew this afternoon.


Charlie Duckworth



---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote:

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?"
 
Geoffrey Barbier replied:
"Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars."
 
Here's a direct link to the ordering page on the Westerfield website (s/n D3319):
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104&page=3
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: canopy cement

Tony Thompson
 

Dave North wrote:

 
The added benefit I have found with Canopy Glue is that it dries flexible and provides a flexible membrane between the styrene and etched metal.

This helps to deal with the different expansion/contraction rates of the two materials when temperature changes occur.  

This is certainly an improvement over the super glue used by the manufacturers, which lacks both the flexibility and sheer strength to deal the different expansion rates.

Your method sounds like it would provide a much stronger bond.


     But "stronger" is not what you want. Thermal expansion and contraction forces are REALLY big. You want flexible, which is why canopy cement is better than CA (CA is far sronger but NOT flexible).

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Benjamin Hom
 

Charlie Duckworth asked:
"I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?"
 
Geoffrey Barbier replied:
"Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars."
 
Here's a direct link to the ordering page on the Westerfield website (s/n D3319):
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=104&page=3
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Geoffrey Barbier
 

Westerfield offers decals for the AA USRA SS boxcars.


Geoffrey Barbier

Allentown, PA 



---In STMFC@..., <omahaduck@...> wrote:

I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?

Thanks
Charlie Duckworth


Does anyone make Ann Arbor decals for HO USRA SS boxcar?

Charlie Duckworth
 

I have a Tichy USRA SS boxcar I'd like to finish as an Ann Arbor boxcar.  Been looking around the web but don't see that there are any decals available.  Anyone on the list know of any decals that have been made for the Ann Arbor car?


Thanks
Charlie Duckworth

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