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Re: box car identity

Eric Lombard
 

Clark, when you have a spare moment could I persuade you to send me full reference for the article you wrote about these cars to which Doug refers? I would be grateful,

Eric



---In stmfc@..., <cepropst@...> wrote:

Photo was taken on the southeast side (looking NW) of the 3rd Ave viaduct in Marshalltown Iowa. The M&StL used to keep their work train in that area. Looks like this 55000 series ‘auto box’ is in work train service before it was rebuilt in 59 with an 8’ door and DF loaders.
What a find Tim!!  XOXOXO
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Superior six panel Superior door

frograbbit602
 

Brian,

 

The door I need is 6ft. wide and 10 Ft. tall to fit the McKean Models PS-1 kit I am working on ( purchased 1986 ) to save the paint and lettering as I do not have decals to redo.   A photo of the door I am looking for is at: www.rrpicturearchivees.net/showPicture.aspx?id=400233.  A door without placard would be best as I want to model it top mounted. I have reviewed the Kadee doors and they are not correct for the car I am doing unless I choose to change the numbers.  I hope this is the clarification needed.  Thank you and others for your time and effort to  respond..

Lester Breuer

 

On Nov 29, 2013, at 6:43 PM, <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

 

Asking for a manufacture that has a six panel Superior door.  I need the doors for a MN&S box car project?  I tried the Google route with no success.  Thank you in advance.

Lester Breuer


Re: box car identity

Eric Lombard
 

Doug and Clark, thank you for that detailed information! These are unusual, and I think, rather attractive cars.


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL



---In stmfc@..., <doug.harding@...> wrote:

Eric, you may be on to something. I have two photos of MSTL Automobile boxcars, one of 55018 in pristine as delivered paint, the doors were black. And one of 55012 showing it after the roof was raised, with one original door and one door missing, but the opening closed in with boards, bearing the Peoria Gateway slogan. The ebay photo certainly looks like the MSTL cars, number possibly 55014, though someone has done a good job of eradicating any MSTL lettering.

 

Clark Propst did a nice modeling article about these cars in both pre 59 and post 59 variations. He states:

These cars were built with wood running boards, Viking roofs, and two 6ft Creco three panel doors per side (12 foot door opening). They rode on Barber S-1 trucks had NY, AB-1012 air brakes and Equipco 3160 hand brakes. The ends were Dreadnaught 4/5 square corner. The cars had an inside length of 40’6” an inside width of 9’2”, inside height was 10’, 9’5” with the Evans auto loaders in the stored position. The autoloaders were defined as type 37+ which means they could load any automobiles built though the model year 1937 and possible beyond.

 

In January, February and March of 1941 these relatively new cars were cycled through the M&StL Marshalltown, Iowa shops to have their roofs raised six inches to an inside height of 10’6” and gain 3” of height to 9’8” when the Auto Loaders were stored against the roof. This change was made to accommodate the increased size of newer model automobiles.

 

In May of 1952 the Auto loaders were removed and the cars class was reclassified from XMR to standard XM general purpose box cars.

Further modifications were done to these cars in 1959. The door opening was narrowed from 12’ to 8’ and centered on the car side. In November of 59 the cars were sent to Evans for the installation of DF loaders with 19 belts and 10 crossmembers. The rebuilt cars were renumbered 2600-2618 even numbers only and painted bright red with white lettering which included a Damage Free banner. The cars were assigned to the Whirlpool Distribution Center in East St. Paul, Minnesota on the C&NW. The cars were retired by the C&NW in 1977 after exactly 40 years of service.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


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Re: Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Good Morning Clark,

 

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

 

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman.  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

 

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

 

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

 

Regards,

Steve Hile

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

 

I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: USAX box car

Bruce Smith
 

Tim,

AFAIK, that car remains in that location today. The car, as well as at least one other, were stored at Mount Union PA in the old East Broad Top yard. See http://www.flickr.com/photos/7726011@N07/2336943015
If you look closely at the ebay photo, you can see that the siding the cars are on is overgrown. The "1950s" date on the auction appears to be just an estimate and I think that the photo was taken more recently, although still probably at least 40 years ago.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [STMFC@yahoogroups.com] on behalf of Tim O'Connor [timboconnor@comcast.net]
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 11:45 PM
To: stmfc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] USAX box car

first photo I've seen of a US Army single sheathed box car in the 1950's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350902924702

Tim O'Connor



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Re: box car identity

Douglas Harding
 

Eric, you may be on to something. I have two photos of MSTL Automobile boxcars, one of 55018 in pristine as delivered paint, the doors were black. And one of 55012 showing it after the roof was raised, with one original door and one door missing, but the opening closed in with boards, bearing the Peoria Gateway slogan. The ebay photo certainly looks like the MSTL cars, number possibly 55014, though someone has done a good job of eradicating any MSTL lettering.

 

Clark Propst did a nice modeling article about these cars in both pre 59 and post 59 variations. He states:

These cars were built with wood running boards, Viking roofs, and two 6ft Creco three panel doors per side (12 foot door opening). They rode on Barber S-1 trucks had NY, AB-1012 air brakes and Equipco 3160 hand brakes. The ends were Dreadnaught 4/5 square corner. The cars had an inside length of 40’6” an inside width of 9’2”, inside height was 10’, 9’5” with the Evans auto loaders in the stored position. The autoloaders were defined as type 37+ which means they could load any automobiles built though the model year 1937 and possible beyond.

 

In January, February and March of 1941 these relatively new cars were cycled through the M&StL Marshalltown, Iowa shops to have their roofs raised six inches to an inside height of 10’6” and gain 3” of height to 9’8” when the Auto Loaders were stored against the roof. This change was made to accommodate the increased size of newer model automobiles.

 

In May of 1952 the Auto loaders were removed and the cars class was reclassified from XMR to standard XM general purpose box cars.

Further modifications were done to these cars in 1959. The door opening was narrowed from 12’ to 8’ and centered on the car side. In November of 59 the cars were sent to Evans for the installation of DF loaders with 19 belts and 10 crossmembers. The rebuilt cars were renumbered 2600-2618 even numbers only and painted bright red with white lettering which included a Damage Free banner. The cars were assigned to the Whirlpool Distribution Center in East St. Paul, Minnesota on the C&NW. The cars were retired by the C&NW in 1977 after exactly 40 years of service.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: box car identity

Clark Propst
 

Photo was taken on the southeast side (looking NW) of the 3rd Ave viaduct in Marshalltown Iowa. The M&StL used to keep their work train in that area. Looks like this 55000 series ‘auto box’ is in work train service before it was rebuilt in 59 with an 8’ door and DF loaders.
What a find Tim!!  XOXOXO
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: USAX box car

John S. Frantz
 

 Tim,


This car is one on the end of the string of them that have been sitting derelict at Mount Union, PA in the EBT yards. Here's a more recent picture of the same car: http://www.spikesys.com/Bin/EBT/22020.jpg

I  believe if you asked nicely and had the cash you could even buy one from Kovalchik Salvage.


I know the origin of these cars have been previously discussed on this group. Long story short, the cars still have interior markings from their Ex-BAR series. 


Regards,

John



---In stmfc@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote:

first photo I've seen of a US Army single sheathed box car in the 1950's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350902924702

Tim O'Connor


Re: box car identity

Eric Lombard
 

The inconsistency of the information available drove me to the ORER. Here is a service history;


1937[3]        10  BLT
1937(7)        10  XAR  IH 10-0.
1938(4)        10
1939(1)        10
19xx              Sometime between these dates RBLT to IH 10-6.
1940(10)        10  XAR IH 10-6.
1942(1)        10 
1943(7)        10 
1945(7)        10
1950(4)        10  XMR.
1953(1)        10  XM.
1956(10)        10
1959[1]        10  RBLT to 8-0 door, belt rails & RENO to 2600-2618.
1960(1)         ...   Not listed in ORER.



---In STMFC@..., <elombard@...> wrote:

Tim, this car appears in all physical respects to be a refugee from M&StL 55000-55018 built by GAT in 3-1937, and after being rebuilt to from IH 10-0 to IH 10-6 in 1959.The serial number on the car fits into this ID in an abbreviated way.


Other information available to me indicates the 1959 rebuilds also received an 8-0 door and were renumbered to 2600-2618. The photo would indicate that not all were rebuilt and renumbered in this way.


Perhaps Gene Greene can square up this loose end?


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL


---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote:

any clues? I am stumped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350917168628

Tim O'Connor


Re: box car identity

Eric Lombard
 

Tim, this car appears in all physical respects to be a refugee from M&StL 55000-55018 built by GAT in 3-1937, and after being rebuilt to from IH 10-0 to IH 10-6 in 1959.The serial number on the car fits into this ID in an abbreviated way.


Other information available to me indicates the 1959 rebuilds also received an 8-0 door and were renumbered to 2600-2618. The photo would indicate that not all were rebuilt and renumbered in this way.


Perhaps Gene Greene can square up this loose end?


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL


---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote:

any clues? I am stumped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350917168628

Tim O'Connor


Re: Shake N Take for 2014

Rich C
 

Fenton, I too will not be able to attend and would be interested in purchasing the kit and associated details and decals also.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, November 30, 2013 7:09 AM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
 
Greg, has any thought been given to allowing those of us who may not make the list to purchase the parts and also build.  I know I have done this in the past when I wan't attending the Cocoa shows to catch up on old S 'n T projects.  But it wasn't easy to track down parts and decals, after the fact.   I would be glad to pay for the items if they were available.
Fenton Wells


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:20 AM, <tgregmrtn@...> wrote:
 
Hey Yuze Gize,
 
The project promises to be of high interest and knowing ahead that we cannot supply a kit for everyone it will be important to know who is interested in the project cars even though you may not be able to be a recipient of the hand out kit . I would like to let the behind the scenes folks be a bit prepared for the volume of composite parts needed for those of you that will be building the project after the event. They can better calculate the cost of products and let you know what the cost will be for those wishing to purchase the needed parts to complete the car, the more I know the better I can parley that information along and have those parts to you as needed.
 
I will keep the normal list of folks who will receive the kits, allow for those that will sign up at the registration desk, and those who will be on the stand by list and as well as a list of those planning on sitting in.
 
"to be forewarned is to be forearmed..."  
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean



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Re: Shake N Take for 2014

O Fenton Wells
 

Greg, has any thought been given to allowing those of us who may not make the list to purchase the parts and also build.  I know I have done this in the past when I wan't attending the Cocoa shows to catch up on old S 'n T projects.  But it wasn't easy to track down parts and decals, after the fact.   I would be glad to pay for the items if they were available.
Fenton Wells


On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 1:20 AM, <tgregmrtn@...> wrote:
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
The project promises to be of high interest and knowing ahead that we cannot supply a kit for everyone it will be important to know who is interested in the project cars even though you may not be able to be a recipient of the hand out kit . I would like to let the behind the scenes folks be a bit prepared for the volume of composite parts needed for those of you that will be building the project after the event. They can better calculate the cost of products and let you know what the cost will be for those wishing to purchase the needed parts to complete the car, the more I know the better I can parley that information along and have those parts to you as needed.
 
I will keep the normal list of folks who will receive the kits, allow for those that will sign up at the registration desk, and those who will be on the stand by list and as well as a list of those planning on sitting in.
 
"to be forewarned is to be forearmed..."  
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean




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Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: DL&W box car question

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor asked:
"did these cars have Duryea underframes? or just very curious looking
draft gear?"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350867736566

 
Curious looking draft gear, but no Duryea underframe.  This car lacks the deep underframe crossmembers and unique brake component mounting of a Duryea cushion underframe.  The linked spreadsheet does NOT identify this series as being equipped with Duryea underframes:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: ScaleCoat II flat weathering colors

randy arnold
 

How does one get in touch to make an order?

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Re: Shake N Take for 2014

Armand Premo
 

Officially:SIGN ME UP SCOTTY. Armand----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:20 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Shake N Take for 2014

 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
The project promises to be of high interest and knowing ahead that we cannot supply a kit for everyone it will be important to know who is interested in the project cars even though you may not be able to be a recipient of the hand out kit . I would like to let the behind the scenes folks be a bit prepared for the volume of composite parts needed for those of you that will be building the project after the event. They can better calculate the cost of products and let you know what the cost will be for those wishing to purchase the needed parts to complete the car, the more I know the better I can parley that information along and have those parts to you as needed.
 
I will keep the normal list of folks who will receive the kits, allow for those that will sign up at the registration desk, and those who will be on the stand by list and as well as a list of those planning on sitting in.
 
"to be forewarned is to be forearmed..."  
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


Shake N Take for 2014

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize,
 
The project promises to be of high interest and knowing ahead that we cannot supply a kit for everyone it will be important to know who is interested in the project cars even though you may not be able to be a recipient of the hand out kit . I would like to let the behind the scenes folks be a bit prepared for the volume of composite parts needed for those of you that will be building the project after the event. They can better calculate the cost of products and let you know what the cost will be for those wishing to purchase the needed parts to complete the car, the more I know the better I can parley that information along and have those parts to you as needed.
 
I will keep the normal list of folks who will receive the kits, allow for those that will sign up at the registration desk, and those who will be on the stand by list and as well as a list of those planning on sitting in.
 
"to be forewarned is to be forearmed..."  
 
Greg Martin  
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean


DL&W box car question

Tim O'Connor
 

did these cars have Duryea underframes? or just very curious looking
draft gear?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350867736566

Tim O'


USAX box car

Tim O'Connor
 

first photo I've seen of a US Army single sheathed box car in the 1950's
http://www.ebay.com/itm/350902924702

Tim O'Connor


box car identity

Tim O'Connor
 

any clues? I am stumped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350917168628

Tim O'Connor

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