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Re: Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

spsalso
 

Armand,


The prototype for this car is the B&O class W-2 hopper.  They were built in 1926.


432000-432999 by Bethlehem


433000-433999 by Baltimore Car & Foundry 



---In STMFC@..., <armprem2@...> wrote:

    Speaking of hoppers,is there a prototype /near prototype for Athearns' off- set Quad Hoppers? Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

Good Morning Clark ,

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman .  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

Regards,

Steve Hile

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@...
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Tim O'Connor
 


The Intermountain roller bearing wheelsets function by locking the
axle in place and allowing the wheels to roll independently. I think
they were intended for brass passenger cars, which are notoriously
heavy and often had horribly performing trucks. Such cars are not likely
to need to negotiate every switch on your layout so the locked axles are
less likely to cause problems especially since the passenger trucks are
usually sprung and semi-equalized so they are not as rigid as 1-piece
freight car trucks. You need a little up-and-down and side-to-side "play"
in a truck so it can handle our imperfect track.

Tim O'Connor



What are your thoughts on replacing the wheels in bras trucks with Intermountain's roller bearing wheel sets?
Definitely a last resort, Spen, if there were no suitable plastic replacement trucks.  And so far, I haven�t needed to do this, so I can�t comment on how such a conversion would work out.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

Bruce Smith
 

Armand,

A quick search of the archives reveals that the Athearn offset quad is perfect for a
number of pre-WWII hoppers, especially the B&M, B&O, C&O, DL&W, Erie,
MEC, M-K-T, MP.  This comes from a conversation we had about an "iron modeler" contest a few years back and in fact, Ted has given me the go ahead to use this project to restart the Virtual Modelers group.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of Armand Premo2 [armprem2@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 11:30 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )



    Speaking of hoppers,is there a prototype /near prototype for Athearns' off- set Quad Hoppers? Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

Good Morning Clark,

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman.  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

Regards,

Steve Hile

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: box car identity

Tim O'Connor
 


I have several builder photos of these M&StL cars but I'd love to see any
photos of a -lettered- raised-roof car and especially I'd like to see the
single-door version of the raised-roof cars. That's something I might like
to model! :-)

Tim O'Connor


At the request of some off line messages, I have been attempting to upload
the photos of M&StL auto boxcars I referenced this morning. However Yahoo is
not allowing me to upload photos. I keep getting an error message.
 
The photos have been posted to the MSTL yahoo list. And the article by Clark
on modeling the cars can be found at http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm scroll
down to Vol 1 Issue 1. His article includes the builder�s photo.
 
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org
Pullman Panel door (was)Superior six panel Superior door

Andy Carlson
 

Somewhere I have an RTV mold for a Pullman proprietory 6' wide door for a 10'6" IH boxcar. Bill Welch got a few of these doors over 12 years ago from me. I had then thought that Pullman doors were of a circa 1957 release, but Bill found a "Ya'all" user in 1953.

The pattern was made by Wayne Madison, who took the industries' then (and still is in my opinion) best proportioned Pullman door, the Kurtz Craft 7' wide Pullman door to make the narrower version. Wayne also made an 8' version, as well.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Superior six panel Superior door

 

Lester, that car is a PS-1 alright, but the door is NOT a Superior door.
It is a Pullman Standard proprietary door and each panel is stamped with
a slight outward bulge. MNS 1202-1302 were built in 1957 and the only
correct models are made by Intermountain and Kadee. The McKean models
has anachronistic details -- a pre-1950 roof is the most obvious. The
AAR underframe is another.

Tim O'Connor


The door I need is 6ft. wide and 10 Ft. tall to fit the McKean Models PS-1 kit I am working on ( purchased 1986 ) to save the paint and lettering as I do not have decals to redo.   A photo of the door I am looking for is at: www.rrpicturearchivees.net/showPicture.aspx?id=400233.  A door without placard would be best as I want to model it top mounted. I have reviewed the Kadee doors and they are not correct for the car I am doing unless I choose to change the numbers.  I hope this is the clarification needed.  Thank you and others for your time and effort to  respond..

Lester Breuer
Re: USAX box car

Tim O'Connor
 

wow, thanks Bruce. weird.

I don't believe anything that seller says... he had a bunch of photos of the
B&M East Deerfield yard in the 1940's identified as some remote branchline in
New Hampshire... The car has a reweigh stencil that looks like 4-57 or some
other 4-5x so that's why I said 1950's.

Tim O'

Tim,

AFAIK, that car remains in that location today. The car, as well as at least one other,
were stored at Mount Union PA in the old East Broad Top yard. See

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7726011@N07/2336943015

If you look closely at the ebay photo, you can see that the siding the cars are on is overgrown.
The "1950s" date on the auction appears to be just an estimate and I think that the photo was
taken more recently, although still probably at least 40 years ago.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
Re: Shake N Take for 2014

Greg Martin
 

Fenton,
 
Yes and that is why I am asking those who are interested to let me know in a separate email marked "AFTER MARKRT" so we can get some kind of an idea of how many are looking to do the project on the SAHKE N TAKE Yahoo Group. I have no idea what the composite parts and decal will cost at this point.
 
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 11/30/2013 5:09:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, srrfan1401@... writes:
Greg, has any thought been given to allowing those of us who may not make the list to purchase the parts and also build.  I know I have done this in the past when I wasn't attending the Cocoa shows to catch up on old S 'n T projects.  But it wasn't easy to track down parts and decals, after the fact.   I would be glad to pay for the items if they were available.
Fenton Wells
Re: Superior six panel Superior door

Tim O'Connor
 


Lester, that car is a PS-1 alright, but the door is NOT a Superior door.
It is a Pullman Standard proprietary door and each panel is stamped with
a slight outward bulge. MNS 1202-1302 were built in 1957 and the only
correct models are made by Intermountain and Kadee. The McKean models
has anachronistic details -- a pre-1950 roof is the most obvious. The
AAR underframe is another.

Tim O'Connor


The door I need is 6ft. wide and 10 Ft. tall to fit the McKean Models PS-1 kit I am working on ( purchased 1986 ) to save the paint and lettering as I do not have decals to redo.   A photo of the door I am looking for is at: www.rrpicturearchivees.net/showPicture.aspx?id=400233.  A door without placard would be best as I want to model it top mounted. I have reviewed the Kadee doors and they are not correct for the car I am doing unless I choose to change the numbers.  I hope this is the clarification needed.  Thank you and others for your time and effort to  respond..

Lester Breuer
Re: Superior six panel Superior door

ed_mines
 

You can scratch build the doors out of styrene strips. I use 2X3 HO scale strips and keep the raised portions parallel with a card board cut with a paper cutter or a NWSL duplicutter. It takes me a few tries but

the results are good.

 

Ed Mines

---In STMFC@..., <prrk41361@...> wrote:

Lester you need to be more specific, height, width and narrow or wide panels. They varied over time. 
Brian Carlson


On Nov 29, 2013, at 6:43 PM, <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

 

Asking for a manufacture that has a six panel Superior door.  I need the doors for a MN&S box car project?  I tried the Google route with no success.  Thank you in advance.

Lester Breuer
Re: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Document Update

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Nov 28, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Spen Kellogg <spninetynine@...> wrote:

What are your thoughts on replacing the wheels in bras trucks with Intermountain's roller bearing wheel sets?
Definitely a last resort, Spen, if there were no suitable plastic replacement trucks.  And so far, I haven’t needed to do this, so I can’t comment on how such a conversion would work out.

Richard Hendrickson
Re: box car identity

Guy Wilber
 

Doug, quoting Clark's article wrote:
 
 
"The autoloaders were defined as type 37+ which means they could load any automobiles built though the model year 1937 and possible beyond."
 
 
The "37" did indeed indicate that the auto loaders were suitable for 1937 models.  The "+" was applied to cars which had additional facilities added for loading the 1937 Lincoln Zephyr.  This series of cars, as built, was fitted with Evans Type "C+" loaders. 
 
The "C+" loader was supplied to M&St.L and six other roads only;  AT&SF (250), CRI&P (350), GM&N (25), N&S (25), L&A (25) , MK&T (100), and Frisco (10).   
 
After March 29, 1939 the door stencils would have been changed to the simplified auto car lettering standards as specified within Bulletin 28.     
 
When the cars were shopped (and had the inside height extended) they were refitted with Evans Type "E" loaders.  The Type "E" loaders remained within this series of ten cars until removed in May of 1952. 
 
 
Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada    
Re: ScaleCoat II flat weathering colors

John Sykes III
 

Or you can go to:


www.motrakmodels.net


on the web.  Jeff is out of town until Wednesday, Dec 11th but you can still place orders via his website or e-bay.


-- John 

On Nov 30, 2013, at 6:46 AM, randy arnold <61mkii@...> wrote:

 

How does one get in touch to make an order?

--
Best Regards
Randy
Re: box car identity

bierglaeser@...
 

Here's a quick synopsis of the 55000 series M&StL automobile cars.

1937-Ten cars built by GATC in March

1941-Roof raised 6 inches During Jan, Feb & Mar.

1952-Auto loading devices removed in May

1953-Nailable steel floors replace wood floors

1956- Some if not all repainted in the red & white "Mikan" scheme

1959-Cars rebuilt and doors narrowed from 12 to 8 feet

1959-Evans DF loaders installed & cars asigned to Whirlpool in St. Paul, MN.

1977-Retired by C&NW.

Gene Green

Not that hand brake in photo is Champion 1148.  These cars originally equipped with Equipco 3160 hand brakes.

Gene Green

Over committed and under motivated in New Mexico.



---In STMFC@..., <elombard@...> wrote:

The inconsistency of the information available drove me to the ORER. Here is a service history;


1937[3]        10  BLT
1937(7)        10  XAR  IH 10-0.
1938(4)        10
1939(1)        10
19xx              Sometime between these dates RBLT to IH 10-6.
1940(10)        10  XAR IH 10-6.
1942(1)        10 
1943(7)        10 
1945(7)        10
1950(4)        10  XMR.
1953(1)        10  XM.
1956(10)        10
1959[1]        10  RBLT to 8-0 door, belt rails & RENO to 2600-2618.
1960(1)         ...   Not listed in ORER.



---In STMFC@..., <elombard@...> wrote:

Tim, this car appears in all physical respects to be a refugee from M&StL 55000-55018 built by GAT in 3-1937, and after being rebuilt to from IH 10-0 to IH 10-6 in 1959.The serial number on the car fits into this ID in an abbreviated way.


Other information available to me indicates the 1959 rebuilds also received an 8-0 door and were renumbered to 2600-2618. The photo would indicate that not all were rebuilt and renumbered in this way.


Perhaps Gene Greene can square up this loose end?


Eric Lombard

Homewood, IL


---In STMFC@..., <timboconnor@...> wrote:

any clues? I am stumped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/350917168628

Tim O'Connor
MSTL Auto Boxcar 55000 model

Douglas Harding
 

Appears there is/was a model or proposed model available of the MSTL Auto Boxcar, as built.

http://www.abacusmodelworks.com/MStL.htm

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Re: Prototypes for Athearn Quad off-set hoppers - One possibility; Missouri Pacific

Armand Premo
 

    Thank you Rob,I'll check it out.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Adams
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 12:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Prototypes for Athearn Quad off-set hoppers - One possibility; Missouri Pacific

 

I should have added that the photos of MP 1931 and 1940 are in the "Models" section.  Scroll down to the Hoppers and click on the thumbnails to enlarge.

Rob Adams


On 11/30/13, 11:47 AM, Rob Adams wrote:
Armand:

The Missouri Pacific owned some similar cars and at least a few were converted into covered hoppers. Photos of MP1931 and MP1940 appear at .  If I recall correctly, Joe Collias also has at least one close-up photo of these cars. 

When modeling in HO, I considered building roofs and converting the Athearn model. It would certainly be a neat project.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA



On 11/30/13, 11:30 AM, Armand Premo2 wrote:
 

    Speaking of hoppers,is there a prototype /near prototype for Athearns' off- set Quad Hoppers? Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

Good Morning Clark,

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman.  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

Regards,

Steve Hile

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Superior six panel Superior door

Rich C
 

Lester, Detail Associates makes the 6' 6 panel door. Try eBay or of course Walthers.


Rich Christie


On Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:57 AM, Scott H. Haycock wrote:
 
Lester,

Looking at the photo, it appears that the top of each panel in the door is lighter than the bottom. Are you sure this isn't a PS door?



Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantment

 

Brian,
 
The door I need is 6ft. wide and 10 Ft. tall to fit the McKean Models PS-1 kit I am working on ( purchased 1986 ) to save the paint and lettering as I do not have decals to redo.   A photo of the door I am looking for is at: www.rrpicturearchivees.net/showPicture.aspx?id=400233.  A door without placard would be best as I want to model it top mounted. I have reviewed the Kadee doors and they are not correct for the car I am doing unless I choose to change the numbers.  I hope this is the clarification needed.  Thank you and others for your time and effort to  respond..
Lester Breuer
 


---In STMFC@..., wrote:

Lester you need to be more specific, height, width and narrow or wide panels. They varied over time. 
Brian Carlson


On Nov 29, 2013, at 6:43 PM, <frograbbit602@...> wrote:

 
Asking for a manufacture that has a six panel Superior door.  I need the doors for a MN&S box car project?  I tried the Google route with no success.  Thank you in advance.
Lester Breuer
Re: box car identity

Douglas Harding
 

At the request of some off line messages, I have been attempting to upload the photos of M&StL auto boxcars I referenced this morning. However Yahoo is not allowing me to upload photos. I keep getting an error message.

 

The photos have been posted to the MSTL yahoo list. And the article by Clark on modeling the cars can be found at http://www.cnwhs.org/modeling.htm scroll down to Vol 1 Issue 1. His article includes the builder’s photo.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 
Re: Prototypes for Athearn Quad off-set hoppers - One possibility; Missouri Pacific

Rob Adams
 

I should have added that the photos of MP 1931 and 1940 are in the "Models" section.  Scroll down to the Hoppers and click on the thumbnails to enlarge.

Rob Adams


On 11/30/13, 11:47 AM, Rob Adams wrote:
Armand:

The Missouri Pacific owned some similar cars and at least a few were converted into covered hoppers. Photos of MP1931 and MP1940 appear at .  If I recall correctly, Joe Collias also has at least one close-up photo of these cars. 

When modeling in HO, I considered building roofs and converting the Athearn model. It would certainly be a neat project.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA



On 11/30/13, 11:30 AM, Armand Premo2 wrote:
 

    Speaking of hoppers,is there a prototype /near prototype for Athearns' off- set Quad Hoppers? Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

Good Morning Clark,

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman.  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

Regards,

Steve Hile

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Prototypes for Athearn Quad off-set hoppers - One possibility; Missouri Pacific

Rob Adams
 

Armand:

The Missouri Pacific owned some similar cars and at least a few were converted into covered hoppers. Photos of MP1931 and MP1940 appear at .  If I recall correctly, Joe Collias also has at least one close-up photo of these cars. 

When modeling in HO, I considered building roofs and converting the Athearn model. It would certainly be a neat project.

Kind regards,

Rob Adams
Wellman, IA



On 11/30/13, 11:30 AM, Armand Premo2 wrote:
 

    Speaking of hoppers,is there a prototype /near prototype for Athearns' off- set Quad Hoppers? Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

Good Morning Clark,

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman.  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

Regards,

Steve Hile

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of cepropst@q.com
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2013 12:24 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
Re: Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

Armand Premo
 

    Speaking of hoppers,is there a prototype /near prototype for Athearns' off- set Quad Hoppers? Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2013 10:52 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Question for Steve Hile, or whoever answers : )

 

Good Morning Clark,

What we were trying to say is that the RI mostly used GS gondolas for coal hauling during the steam era, having only wood Seeley type cars that were off the roster in the 30’s scrap drives and two small groups of steel two bay cars built in 1940 and early 1942.

RI 89600 – 897490 (150 cars) were built in 1940 by Pullman.  In RPCyc 25, they are described as part of 900 Pullman lot 5610 hoppers that had some unique features.  Accurail’s new car carries numbers in this series.  The most obvious difference is on the prototype, the two inner posts on the ends should be inward facing channels that terminate at the bottom of the end panel.  The location of the crease in the side panels, which parallels the slope sheet, is slightly different.  There is a very nice builder’s photo and comparisons with the Accurail model in the Remember the Rock magazine, Volume 8 numbers 3&4, which is recently published.

RI 89400 – 89599 (200 cars) were built in 1942 by ACF.  According to RPCyc 25, they are AAR standard 50 ton cars.  They had heap shield ends, as shown in our book.  There is a builder’s photo in RPCyc 9 along with one showing how about 129 of these cars had roofs added around 1950.  So, your choices probably are finding the Athearn car with heap shields, which are not exactly correct as the RI car has no notch in the heap shield.  Sunshine made a mini-kit for the hopper cover.

I hope that this is what you need.  Please let me know if need something more specific.

Regards,

Steve Hile

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I’m considering modeling RI hopper 89456 from series 89400-89599. I’m confused (what else is new) by the caption in the Morning Sun color book. It lists different builders in this series, but but not much else.

So, my question is: Which model do I use for this car?

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa
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