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Re: C&BT reefer roof

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

And the ribs are too high as well.

Don Valentine

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And it's too wide. â€" Andy


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Itsits too high off the sides

Rich Orr




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What was the objection to the roof in the first place?
 
Ed Mines


Re: Tru-color paint

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:

For those not close to a LHS, Tru Color paints can be purchased over the phone or by email:
http://www.trucolorpaint.com/

And as I have noted before, the same paint from the same formulation and the same paint supplier as the former Accu-Paint line. Tru Color, like Accu-Paint simply bottles it from 5 gallon pails. Easily the best thing available for use on styrene.


Re: C&BT reefer roof

Tony Thompson
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Tony, he said INVERSE, not REVERSE. You are right, they are two different things. A REVERSE end is just an end that is essentially turned around. An INVERSE end is the one you are describing, which is more like a mirror image of the normal outward stampings. At least, that's what makes sense to me. YMMV. 8-)


         You are entirely right, Tim, he DID say "inverse." But the reason I objected, and continue to object, is that people readily confuse inverse and reverse. In many situations, "inverse" means "turned upside down," top to bottom, which is not what we mean with freight car ends. We can understand "reverse" as rotated 180 degrees, and that is how I would describe an end, whether corrugated or Dreadnaught, which has its major  corrugations inward to the car instead of outward. "Inverse" could be taken to mean the same thing, thus the risk of confusion. 
         My own usage is to call the ends with outward-facing corrugations, but set inward to the plane of the end, "recessed" or "inset." This avoids the confusion between reverse and inverse. I try not to use "inverse" at all for car ends.
         But as Tim wisely says, YMMV.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: 2014 SHAKE N TAKE Scope of project and sign up begins

Norm Buckhart
 

Richard thank you for that.  It makes sense, however I had not previously known that.  Norm Buckhart

On Dec 7, 2013, at 9:20 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

 

On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:04 AM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:


What was the rationale behind even (or odd) only car numbering?

Scott, this keeps coming up on the list and, since no one else has responded to your query, I’ll answer it yet again.

This numbering system was practiced on a number of (mostly midwestern) RRs - e.g., C&NW, M&StL, Soo,CGW - and acted as an error checking device in the days when paperwork was actually on paper and was entered by human (and therefore fallible) car clerks.  Typically, box cars had even numbers, open top cars odd numbers, and if a number didn’t correspond with the car type, it was obviously wrong.

Richard Hendrickson





Re: 2014 SHAKE N TAKE Scope of project and sign up begins

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 5, 2013, at 1:04 AM, Scott H. Haycock <shhaycock@...> wrote:

What was the rationale behind even (or odd) only car numbering?

Scott, this keeps coming up on the list and, since no one else has responded to your query, I’ll answer it yet again.

This numbering system was practiced on a number of (mostly midwestern) RRs - e.g., C&NW, M&StL, Soo,CGW - and acted as an error checking device in the days when paperwork was actually on paper and was entered by human (and therefore fallible) car clerks.  Typically, box cars had even numbers, open top cars odd numbers, and if a number didn’t correspond with the car type, it was obviously wrong.

Richard Hendrickson



New Book for Sale on ebay

reporterllc
 

Some have requested an eCommerce option. And since, I won't get the eCommerce part of my website set up for a while, I'm offering the books on ebay right now. Therefore, you can take advantage of the pre-publication offer of $5.00 off the list price of $39.95 available until December 31, 2013 and not have to send a check or money order.

However, be aware that the books are scheduled to ship to me December 20, 2013 and therefore won't be shipped to you until after that.

Do a search for item no. 181277209914 or the title of the book, Railroading on the Wabash Fourth District, or my full name on ebay.

International customer shipments through ebay will be processed by a third party forwarder here in the U.S. that can provide more options for overseas shipments.

In the event that you'd rather send a check or money order, please go to my website at erstwhilepublications.com for the particulars.

Thanks


Victor Baird
Erstwhile Publications
Fort Wayne, Indiana


CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Please excuse the cross posting.

 

I seem to recall seeing drawings for these mid to late 50’s era insulated boxcars, one of which still exists in sad shape at the Illinois Railway Museum.  I thought that it was in MM, but a search in the MR index comes up empty.

 

Thanks in advance for any assistance

 

Steve Hile


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william darnaby
 

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Re: Posted some photo's

paul.doggett2472@...
 

Some nice models there Rob Thanks for sharing the photos

Paul Doggett UK


Re: Question IM aar alt. hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon

Just be thankful the factory in China didn't bend the trip pin up
into a full semicircle shape like they always seem to do on Athearn
cars...

At 12/6/2013 03:38 PM Friday, you wrote:
While putting in .088 wheelsets in the trucks I noticed a thin
washer on the truck mounting booster and the screws were not tight.
Thought this was to shim up the coupler but with other cars the hopper
seems high. Has anyone else noticed this.

--

Jon Miller


Re: CNW/CMO/RockIsland resin kits

Tim O'Connor
 

Chad

Ok, I just wanted to know.. I found a drawing from the 1919 CBCyc and
as Dennis says, the drawing matches his USRA fishbelly design. Good to
know, in case I run into any Prototype Police. :-)

Tim O'

The rivet heads on the side sills in pictures match up with the Accurail cross members.
Also, the truck centers on the CNW are 31'1" which match the bolsters on the frame.
Chad Boas


Re: C&BT reefer roof

Tim O'Connor
 


Tony, he said INVERSE, not REVERSE. You are right, they are two different
things. A REVERSE end is just an end that is essentially turned around. An
INVERSE end is the one you are describing, which is more like a mirror image
of the normal outward stampings. At least, that's what makes sense to me.
YMMV. 8-)

Tim O'


Although this is not an SFRD car this IS an inverse dreadnaught end. 

     Small nit on nomenclature: the end is not, in my view, "reversed." It is simply inset. The ribs and edge darts stick up from the background on the end. A reverse end, and such did exist even on house cars, have this relationship reversed. It was common on gondolas with dreadnaught ends, to face the outward ribs INTO the car (it's the stiffer side), and then what you seen on the OUTSIDE of the end is indeed a reverse end. That is not what is shown in the photo on Tom's link.

Tony Thompson


Posted some photo's

rob.mclear3@...
 

Hi to all


I am in awe of most of the modelling on this list and thought I would put up some of my more recent humble efforts at resin car building and building with brass sides and resin roofs and floors.   After many postings and then realising that Mike has to approve photo's first, I stopped putting them in.   Sorry Mike you must have had to delete a few.  Lucky not to end up in jail I guess.

The cars were weathered but for some reason it did not come out to well in the pictures they look appropriately weathered in real life.   I don't like to weather heavily in any case as most of these cars are fairly new with the paint schemes, between  1 and 4 years old.   I know they probably should have a bit more roof grime on them and maybe some more on the sides of the eastern cars but they seem to look OK to me.   Comments are appreciated if you can see some ways to improve.   I have put them on a couple of other lists as well so if you get double ups I apologise in advance.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Re: C&BT reefer roof

Tony Thompson
 

Tom Hayden wrote:

 
Although this is not an SFRD car this IS an inverse dreadnaught end.  

     Small nit on nomenclature: the end is not, in my view, "reversed." It is simply inset. The ribs and edge darts stick up from the background on the end. A reverse end, and such did exist even on house cars, have this relationship reversed. It was common on gondolas with dreadnaught ends, to face the outward ribs INTO the car (it's the stiffer side), and then what you seen on the OUTSIDE of the end is indeed a reverse end. That is not what is shown in the photo on Tom's link.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: C&BT reefer roof

hayden_tom@...
 

I first became aware of these SFRD models from C&BT about 5 years ago and bought 5 or 6 old, decorated, "Style A" kits on e-bay. I also bought an IM kit for comparison.. And I obtained copies of several magazine articles including Richard Hendrickson's extensive article in Nov 94 RMJ. That's the article that included the body putty mod to the ends. I had a difficult time understanding the error that the mod was correcting. Then a few months ago Keith Jordan expressed satisfaction that IM had,indeed,, corrected the error.on the ends.


After looking closely at the  C&BT end, the IM end, and finally finding a good photo that shows the end or edge detail on the ends, I conclude that the Richard Hendrickson putty mod probably best represents the correct shape. Here's a link to a picture that shows how the ends of the reverse Dreadnaught shapes blend into the edges of the ends.:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf21790akg.jpg

Although this is not an SFRD car this IS an inverse dreadnaught end.  You can clearly see that all surfaces: large and small raised surfaces, as well as the sunken surfaces do smoothly blend into the vertical edge of the end, which is the aim of Richard's body putty mod.  In the C&BT end, the sunken surfaces end abruptly at that vertical edge. On the IM model, the ending of the sunken surface is indeed brought smoothly to the surface of the edge. But, in my opinion, the IM version is faulty in that it makes all the surface details of all the end edge segments flat, well before meeting the vertical with a very prominent repeating "W" pattern that is highly visible. Looking at this photo, it seems to me that none of the end segments are actually flat prior to the point where they actually blend to the vertical. I'm not convinced that the IM version of the end is an overall improvement over the C&BT version. 


Tom Hayden

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Re: C&BT reefer roof

Bill Welch
 

I remember well the article Keith Jordan had in RMJ in the 1990's about what he felt were the fixes needed for these kits and in the article he said he planned to offer a set of resin parts to make the fixes easier. The InterMountain kit obviated the need the parts, although they might have been nice to have since C&BT's kits went beyond the IM offering in terms body styles, which in turn gave Sunshine through the pattern work of Charley Slater the opportunity to flesh the rest of the SFRD rebuilt fleet, and then some.


If I remember correctly, Keith even resorted to body putty to re-sculpt the ends, pretty daunting in my opinion.


I bought 3 kits when they first came out but after Keith's article and IM issuing their kit, I gave them away.


Bill Welch




Re: C&BT reefer roof

Andy Sperandeo
 

And it's too wide. – Andy


From: "SUVCWORR@..."
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It sits too high off the sides

Rich Orr



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From: ed_mines
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Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 4:22 pm
Subject: [STMFC] C&BT reefer roof



What was the objection to the roof in the first place?
 
Ed Mines





Re: C&BT reefer roof

SUVCWORR@...
 

It sits too high off the sides

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: ed_mines
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Subject: [STMFC] C&BT reefer roof



What was the objection to the roof in the first place?
 
Ed Mines



C&BT reefer roof

ed_mines
 

What was the objection to the roof in the first place?

 

Ed Mines


Red Caboose kits

ed_mines
 

Anyone have some of the that they'd like to get rid of?

 

Would also buy Q'Craft/Ambroid caboose kits at a good price.

 

Please contact me off list.

 

Ed Mines

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