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Re: Tru-color paint

Craig Zeni
 

3a. Re: Tru-color paint
Posted by: "Don" riverman_vt@yahoo.com riverman_vt
Date: Sat Dec 7, 2013 8:03 pm ((PST))



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <lajrmdlr@...> wrote:

For those not close to a LHS, Tru Color paints can be purchased over the phone or by email:
http://www.trucolorpaint.com/

And as I have noted before, the same paint from the same formulation and the same paint supplier as the former Accu-Paint line. Tru Color, like Accu-Paint simply bottles it from 5 gallon pails. Easily the best thing available for use on styrene.
I have some NYO&W decals that were custom made by Mal Houck back in the early 1980s that have the yellow stripes for the diesels. He told me the color was matched to Accupaint's Light Imitation Gold...and sure enough it matched very very well to the Tru-Color Light Imitation Gold.


Craig Zeni
Sent from my soup can with the string pulled really tight.


Odds & evens was: Re: 2014 SHAKE N TAKE Scope of project and sign up begins

Clark Propst
 

To muddy the waters even more I believe the CNW filled in some of there even numbered series’ PS-1s with odd numbered cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: Shake N Take Aftermarket List

Mark Stamm
 

Greg,

Please add me to the aftermarket list.  Specifically I'm interested in a CNW and a ATSF.

thanks
Mark

Mark P Stamm

Sent from my mobile device

On Dec 8, 2013, at 3:25 AM, tgregmrtn@... wrote:

 

 
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
In a message dated 12/4/2013 9:05:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, TGREGMRTN@... writes:
 

Gize,
Yet another update...
 
This list is a first for SHAKE N TAKE  it is a list that tracks the necessary over run for the SHAKE N TAKE project. It will help those involved behind the scenes that create the parts for the kits informed so they might be able to help supply parts for those interested in kits but couldn't make the show or were not an original recipient of the handout kit. 
 
I have not idea at this pint the cost as I am not sure they will until all is said and done.
 
As you can see below some have been very specific on the parts they want, so I will figure that if you haven't specified you are in for one set of CNW/CMO/RI/FTDDM&S related parts.
 
 
Know that I am working on trying to get the CMO Green and Yellow Decals done as well. NO PROMISES!
 
If you are going to attend Cocoa Beach, please pull together here, and at least for our group, I ask you to please BOOK YOUR ROOM and PRE-REGISTER. We are clansmen we stick together, plus the Boss will sleep easier.
 
Bring your favorite Hawaiian Shirt... we might as well have fun with this... As Mont Says, "there's a Bash at the Beach"...
 
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Aftermarket:
  1. Scott Haycock
  2. Brad Hanner
  3. Rich Christie ( 2 CNW  1 ATSF) 
  4. Richard Townsend
  5. Philip Blancher
  6. Tom Christensen
  7. Rob Kirkham
  8. Per Harwe
  9. Al Gest
  10. Tom Dill
  11. Tim O' Conner
  12. Paul Greenwald
  13. Mont Switzer (4 CNW 1 ATSF)
  14. Jerry Glow ( 1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  15. Al Brown
  16. John Greedy
  17. Larry Sexton (1 CNW 2 ATSF)
  18. Paul Bizier (ATSF)
  19. Joe Binish
  20. John Sutkus (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  21. Joe Pauley
  22. John Cantlay ( 2 CNW 1 ATSF)  
  23. William H. Sharpe
  24. John Sharpe
  25. Stan Hall
  26. Larry Rast
  27. Bruce Smith (ATSF) 
  28. Matt Herson
  29. John Riddell ( 2 CNW )
  30. Brian Carlson (ATSF)
  31. Rich Orr (4 sets)
  32. Bernd Schroeder (1 CNW 1 ATSF Adelsdorf Germany)
  33. Larry Mennie ( 1 CMW 1 ATSF) 
  34. Charles Hostetler (5 CNW)
  35. John Hodson (1 CNW)
  36. Dan Sweeney, Jr (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  37. Dave Sieber (2 CNW  2 ATSF)
  38. Stuart Forsyth
  39. Bill Vaughn (1 CNW 3 ATSF)
  40. Tom Pearson (1 CNW)
  41. Todd Sullivan (1 CNW/RI)
  42. Rob Mclear   (2 ATSF Australia)
  43. Geoffrey Barbier (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  44. Ed Rethwisch (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  45. Alan Monk ( 2 CNW Reading UK)
  46. Vince Altiere ( 1 CNW 1 ATSF).
  47. Steve Orth ( 1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  48. John E. Baker (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  49. David Orr
  50. Robert Massey (RI/FtDDM&S)
  51. Stan Hall (2 ATSF)
  52. Ray Smit
  53. Chet French (1 CNW 1 ATSF) 
 
 


Shake N Take Aftermarket List

Greg Martin
 

 
 
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 

In a message dated 12/4/2013 9:05:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, TGREGMRTN@... writes:
 

Gize,
Yet another update...
 
This list is a first for SHAKE N TAKE  it is a list that tracks the necessary over run for the SHAKE N TAKE project. It will help those involved behind the scenes that create the parts for the kits informed so they might be able to help supply parts for those interested in kits but couldn't make the show or were not an original recipient of the handout kit. 
 
I have not idea at this pint the cost as I am not sure they will until all is said and done.
 
As you can see below some have been very specific on the parts they want, so I will figure that if you haven't specified you are in for one set of CNW/CMO/RI/FTDDM&S related parts.
 
 
Know that I am working on trying to get the CMO Green and Yellow Decals done as well. NO PROMISES!
 
If you are going to attend Cocoa Beach, please pull together here, and at least for our group, I ask you to please BOOK YOUR ROOM and PRE-REGISTER. We are clansmen we stick together, plus the Boss will sleep easier.
 
Bring your favorite Hawaiian Shirt... we might as well have fun with this... As Mont Says, "there's a Bash at the Beach"...
 
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
 
Aftermarket:
  1. Scott Haycock
  2. Brad Hanner
  3. Rich Christie ( 2 CNW  1 ATSF) 
  4. Richard Townsend
  5. Philip Blancher
  6. Tom Christensen
  7. Rob Kirkham
  8. Per Harwe
  9. Al Gest
  10. Tom Dill
  11. Tim O' Conner
  12. Paul Greenwald
  13. Mont Switzer (4 CNW 1 ATSF)
  14. Jerry Glow ( 1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  15. Al Brown
  16. John Greedy
  17. Larry Sexton (1 CNW 2 ATSF)
  18. Paul Bizier (ATSF)
  19. Joe Binish
  20. John Sutkus (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  21. Joe Pauley
  22. John Cantlay ( 2 CNW 1 ATSF)  
  23. William H. Sharpe
  24. John Sharpe
  25. Stan Hall
  26. Larry Rast
  27. Bruce Smith (ATSF) 
  28. Matt Herson
  29. John Riddell ( 2 CNW )
  30. Brian Carlson (ATSF)
  31. Rich Orr (4 sets)
  32. Bernd Schroeder (1 CNW 1 ATSF Adelsdorf Germany)
  33. Larry Mennie ( 1 CMW 1 ATSF) 
  34. Charles Hostetler (5 CNW)
  35. John Hodson (1 CNW)
  36. Dan Sweeney, Jr (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  37. Dave Sieber (2 CNW  2 ATSF)
  38. Stuart Forsyth
  39. Bill Vaughn (1 CNW 3 ATSF)
  40. Tom Pearson (1 CNW)
  41. Todd Sullivan (1 CNW/RI)
  42. Rob Mclear   (2 ATSF Australia)
  43. Geoffrey Barbier (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  44. Ed Rethwisch (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  45. Alan Monk ( 2 CNW Reading UK)
  46. Vince Altiere ( 1 CNW 1 ATSF).
  47. Steve Orth ( 1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  48. John E. Baker (1 CNW 1 ATSF)
  49. David Orr
  50. Robert Massey (RI/FtDDM&S)
  51. Stan Hall (2 ATSF)
  52. Ray Smit
  53. Chet French (1 CNW 1 ATSF) 
 
 


Re: Tru-color paint

Andy Carlson
 

Don,
Accupaint bottled up their product from ONE gallon pails, not five. And they stepped on it a bit, supposedly to enhance the covering abilities, but I suspect it was to increase the profit margin. Tim O'Connor could tell us much more, as he knew the principals.

Tru-paint, like Accupaint, is sourced from Southern California.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


From: Don
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tru-color paint

 


--- In STMFC@..., wrote:
>
> For those not close to a LHS, Tru Color paints can be purchased over the phone or by email:
> http://www.trucolorpaint.com/
>

And as I have noted before, the same paint from the same formulation and the same paint supplier as the former Accu-Paint line. Tru Color, like Accu-Paint simply bottles it from 5 gallon pails. Easily the best thing available for use on styrene.




Re: Overland Models #3131: ACF Double Dome Tank Car 8,000 gal.

Tim O'Connor
 

Stuart

http://www.brasstrains.com/classic/Product/Detail/053076/HO-Brass-Model-Train-OMI-3131-ACF-Double-Dome-8-000-Gallon-Tank-Car

Elden Gatwood posted that it matches a certain SHPX car, but I've
never seen a photo of the prototype and Elden did not identify the
car number.

Nor has Richard Hendrickson; he has posted previously on the subject
that this car was invented by Tom Marsh of Overland Models.

Nevertheless it's a handsome model and who's going to know? :-) Certainly
only one or maybe two people at my train club would even have a clue.

Now OMI #3230, a GATC 10,000 double dome insulated tank car, actually
does have a prototype that was shown in an Overland flyer -- NIPX #8.

Tim O'Connor

Does anyone know the prototype for this model, which shippers/railroads owned it, whether any decals are available for it or even the era it ran?

Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.

Best wishes,

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@usa.net


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Douglas Harding
 

Tim, good question and one I cannot answer. Steve was asking about insulated boxcars, I can not imagine where Accurail got the idea it was a reefer.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Overland Models #3131: ACF Double Dome Tank Car 8,000 gal.

Stuart <trainmail@...>
 

Does anyone know the prototype for this model, which shippers/railroads owned it, whether any decals are available for it or even the era it ran?

I have searched the Yahoo!/Neo archives to no avail.

Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.

Best wishes,

Stuart A. Forsyth
forsyth@usa.net


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Tim O'Connor
 


exactly. you see any ice hatches on that?

Accurail makes a 40 foot plug door insulated box car.

Whatever inspired them to model a box car with an ice reefer?





Tim, this may have been what Accurail had in mind.
http://www.pbase.com/rocksosalla/image/132223810/original
 
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Douglas Harding
 

Tim, this may have been what Accurail had in mind.

http://www.pbase.com/rocksosalla/image/132223810/original

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Good grief. That's an ice refrigerator car!! Did Accurail even look
at a prototype photo?

Tim O'Connor



Accurail did a Rock Island car with CRIX Dri Protecto lettering, car #2257.
Item 8514 announced Oct/Nov 2013
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8514.jpg
 
Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

caboose9792@...
 

I think that may have been part of the set I gave Bob K for the IRM website. If not I got identical shots,in higher resalution. The lettering on the other side was just about gone. Anyhow, what was the box under the door in the linked photo?
Mark Rickert
 

In a message dated 12/7/2013 5:20:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, shile@... writes:
 

This is the lettering scheme I was thinking about, but on a rebuilt (in 1960, apparently) car in the 205xx series.  The car at IRM can be seen at

http://www.irm.org/gallery/CRIX20519/aaa

(not a terribly good angle.)

Frankly, I was presuming that this could be an interesting kitbash, with the partial wood sides and a fishbelly underframe.

Thanks,

Steve

P.S. There were some all steel CRIX cars, too, although I am not sure how they match up with the Accurail car.


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:24 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRIX Dri Protecto cars

 

Accurail did a Rock Island car with CRIX Dri Protecto lettering, car #2257. Item 8514 announced Oct/Nov 2013

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8514.jpg

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

This is the lettering scheme I was thinking about, but on a rebuilt (in 1960, apparently) car in the 205xx series.  The car at IRM can be seen at

 

http://www.irm.org/gallery/CRIX20519/aaa

 

(not a terribly good angle.)

 

Frankly, I was presuming that this could be an interesting kitbash, with the partial wood sides and a fishbelly underframe.

 

Thanks,

Steve

 

P.S. There were some all steel CRIX cars, too, although I am not sure how they match up with the Accurail car.

 


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Douglas Harding
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 4:24 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CRIX Dri Protecto cars

 

 

Accurail did a Rock Island car with CRIX Dri Protecto lettering, car #2257. Item 8514 announced Oct/Nov 2013

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8514.jpg

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


4SALE: IntMt ATSF reefer,stock car, gondola kits

Andy Carlson
 

Hi,

I have the following New Intermountain kits for Santa Fe Prototypes. Most are decorated, and are noted in the description.

41103-30 Grand Canyon Ice bunker steel reefer w C/L map ATSF 347746  $18
41104-28 The Scout ice reefer w/ CL map ATSF 34633                $18
41109-17 SUPER CHIEF Ship $ Travel ATSF 32931                 $18
41109-16 SUPER CHIEF S&T ATSF 32107                            $18
41109-15 SUPER CHIEF S&T ATSF 32107 (Have 2)                 $18/ea
41109-14 SUPER CHIEF S&T ATSF 31854                               $18

42999 ATSF Stock car-undec w/ K brake  .............................$14
42998 ATSF Stock car-undec w/ AB Brake  ...........................$14
42750K ATSF Caswell Drop bottom Gondola Undec  ..............$16

Shipping of $3.00 and up by 1st class air mail. I accept checks and money orders (No PayPal). Contact me off-list at for answers to your questions.

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: odd & even numbers (was 2014 SHAKE N TAKE)

Tim O'Connor
 


Later on, some railroads developed a more robust method of uncovering
errors, and gave freight cars "check digits" -- in which the last digit
of the car number was based on a computation of the first 4 or 5 digits.
This was much more likely to reveal transcribing errors. KCS used this
method although I don't know when they first implemented it.

The GN used even numbers for several orders of F units!

Some computers use 13 bits to represent an "8 bit" chunk called a "byte".
This not only detects all possible errors, but can actually auto-correct
any single bit error. You might want to think about that next time you're
looking to replace your PC... if anyone still has a PC! (I may be the last.)
Many electronic devices sold have "parity" checks which can only detect a
single bit error -- and many have no error detection at all. (Even though
the likelihood of errors has increased exponentially over time!)

Tim O'Connor



What was the rationale behind even (or odd) only car numbering?

Scott, this keeps coming up on the list and, since no one else has responded to your query, I�ll answer it yet again.

This numbering system was practiced on a number of (mostly midwestern) RRs - e.g., C&NW, M&StL, Soo,CGW - and acted as an error checking device in the days when paperwork was actually on paper and was entered by human (and therefore fallible) car clerks.  Typically, box cars had even numbers, open top cars odd numbers, and if a number didn�t correspond with the car type, it was obviously wrong.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: C&BT reefer roof

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Ed,

I made a jig to hold the C&BT roof for a lengthwise cut with a razor saw, then used an NWSL True Sander to sand half the excess width from each roof section. After cementing the roof back together, I used a chisel blade to scrape the ledge under the eaves to a more realistic height. All of this really improved the car's proportions, and the running board hid the seam at the peak of the roof. But after I'd done two or three cars this way, I learned that the InterMountain car was coming and stopped building the C&BT kits. (Anybody want to buy some? I'll make you a good price!)

It occurs to me now that since InterMountain sells parts, you could buy its roofs to put on C&BT carbodies. But I think I'll stick to the IM kits and r-t-r cars.

Merry Christmas,

Andy
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Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Douglas Harding
 

Accurail did a Rock Island car with CRIX Dri Protecto lettering, car #2257. Item 8514 announced Oct/Nov 2013

http://www.accurail.com/accurail/ART/8500/8514.jpg

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

hubert mask
 

Yes I am still thinking about it but what car can we out it on. Hubert Mask. 


On Dec 7, 2013, at 4:04 PM, "Tim O'Connor" <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 


Steve, which ones? The composite double sheathed cars, or the all-steel cars?

I really like these cars and Hubert Mask once said he was thinking about making decals
for them. I can't recall ever seeing a drawing of either car. Perhaps Abacus (the stillborn resin
kit maker) had some information?

Tim O'Connor



Please excuse the cross posting.
 
I seem to recall seeing drawings for these mid to late 50’s era insulated boxcars, one of which still exists in sad shape at the Illinois Railway Museum.  I thought that it was in MM, but a search in the MR index comes up empty.
 
Thanks in advance for any assistance
 
Steve Hile


Re: CRIX Dri Protecto cars

Tim O'Connor
 


Steve, which ones? The composite double sheathed cars, or the all-steel cars?

I really like these cars and Hubert Mask once said he was thinking about making decals
for them. I can't recall ever seeing a drawing of either car. Perhaps Abacus (the stillborn resin
kit maker) had some information?

Tim O'Connor



Please excuse the cross posting.
 
I seem to recall seeing drawings for these mid to late 50�s era insulated boxcars, one of which still exists in sad shape at the Illinois Railway Museum.  I thought that it was in MM, but a search in the MR index comes up empty.
 
Thanks in advance for any assistance
 
Steve Hile


Re: C&BT reefer roof

ed_mines
 

Yes, I recall that now. Any suggestions on how to correct it?

 

Ed Mines

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