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Re: Hides

Armand Premo
 

On the Rutland one of the 6000 series boxcars had stenciled,"For Hide Service Only".She might have been in captive service for the Rendering Plant in Burlington.Armand Premo

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Yes. Funaro 6002 and 6003. B&M cars with two different roofs and WAG decals.


Dick

On Dec 8, 2013, at 9:54 PM, <lnnrr152@...> wrote:

 

Speaking of hides, is there a source for HO WAG "Sole Leather Line" boxcar


decals? I'm thinking of the single sheath wood cars like 5201.  Pratt truss style,
like the L&N had. Was there an original owner of these hide cars?
Chuck Peck



Re: Tru-color paint

Gene Deimling
 

Tim

You are.  Protocraft published a little flyer that grouped paints based upon similarity of shades.  I believe Ed Hawkins may have consulted with Norm Buckhart on this scheme.  Some of the lettering sets don't have a discrete paint number in the Tru-Color line.   The numbers assigned to groups allow one to pick a paint that is available in the group.  


Gene Deimling

El Dorado Hills, CA


Re: Tru-color paint

Timothy Cannon
 

On the subject of True Color Paint- The Protocraft Decal web site calls for TCP-923 color for a certain decal set. For the life of me I cannot find this number listed anywhere on the TCP color chart. Am I missing something here or what???

Thanks!

Tim

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Don
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tru-color paint

 

 



--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
>
> Don,
> Accupaint bottled up their product from ONE gallon pails, not five. And they stepped on it a bit, supposedly to enhance the covering abilities, but I suspect it was to increase the profit margin. Tim O'Connor could tell us much more, as he knew the principals.
>
> Tru-paint, like Accupaint, is sourced from Southern California.
> -Andy Carlson
> Ojai CA

You are correct on the source but that is all, Andy.
As far as Tim O'Connor is concerned I knew George Bishop, the sole "pricipal" and quite well at that as we used to meet at
noon at least once per week, before anyone over heard of Tim.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: branchline blueprint reefers

David Sieber
 

Randy,


Other references (unfortunately not online), all discussing the prototype in detail and the last also featuring modeling several cars with Branchline reefers, are:


Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol 4, pg 52-70, " NMW 40ft AC&F Reefers," Pat Wider

Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol 5, pg 42-58, "URTCo and WRX 40ft AC&F Reefers," Pat Wider

Railroad Model Craftsman, Apr 06, "Essential Freight Cars: 29, American Car & Foundry's 1920s wood refrigerator cars," Ted Culotta


Hope this helps, Dave Sieber, Reno  NV


Re: branchline blueprint reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

Randy Arnold asked:
"I have several Branchline Blueprint kits, they are wood sided reefers with fishbelly underframes, and I was wondering what prototype these represent."
 
AC&F reefers built between 1927-1931, mostly for URTCo and NWX.  See the linked article by Ed Hawkins in the May 2000 issue of Railmodel Journal for more information.
http://www.trainlife.com/magazines/pages/261/19468/may-2000-page-14
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Constructing Freight Cars In 1900

riverob@...
 

The car end closest to the camera is T&NO 3xx22.  Car to the left is SP (can't read the 5-digit number)

Sharp photo, thanks.


Robert Simpson




---In STMFC@..., <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

Courtesy of the USC Digital Archives, here is a link to an image of a freight car “assembly line” in Los Angeles (possibly Southern Pacific shops?) in 1900.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15799coll65/id/11565/rec/89

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge it.

 

There also is a good end view of an early T&NO box car.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


NYO&W files for abandonment... again...

Bill Schneider
 

Due to the long promised, but as of yet unfulfilled, hope of increased meat
traffic which - it was claimed - would occur as soon as a new group of meat
reefers arrived, and also in no small part to the inability of our railroad
to collect per diem charges on one of our few remaining two-bay hoppers that
were fit for interchange (yes - we're REALLY short on cash. This cars was
last claimed to be seen on the Union Pacific in Bruceford, WY, and we can't
find any mention of this location on any UP system map!), the management of
the New York, Ontario and Western Railway have had to file for immediate
bankruptcy and abandonment of the line effective today.

Further details are available here: http://oldandweary.blogspot.com/

Bill Schneider
http://home.comcast.net/~oandw/
http://oldandweary.blogspot.com/


Re: Tru-color paint

Andy Carlson
 

Don,
This isn't meant to promote a spitting match, and I don't doubt that you knew George Bishop and I am not surprised longer then Tim. Your 5 gallon pails, though is incorrect. I saw the supplies on the pallet as received from California, and there were multiple cardboard cartons containing four ONE gallon pails (128 fluid ounces). I was told he got about double after adding his additives.

George's proprietary thinner was his own creation.

And did you know that it was not George Bishop who "Discovered" Accu-paint? George learned from Fred of Front Range that the lacquer Fred was using on his freight car kits was from the specialty coatings of Southern California. George was smart to recognize an excellent product for hobbyist use. Star Brands and Tru-color may never had heard about that source if George's underpaid help didn't freely offer their source for the lacquer.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: Don
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tru-color paint

 


--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson wrote:
>
> Don,
> Accupaint bottled up their product from ONE gallon pails, not five. And they stepped on it a bit, supposedly to enhance the covering abilities, but I suspect it was to increase the profit margin. Tim O'Connor could tell us much more, as he knew the principals.
>
> Tru-paint, like Accupaint, is sourced from Southern California.
> -Andy Carlson
> Ojai CA

You are correct on the source but that is all, Andy.
As far as Tim O'Connor is concerned I knew George Bishop, the sole "pricipal" and quite well at that as we used to meet at
noon at least once per week, before anyone over heard of Tim.

Cordially, Don Valentine




branchline blueprint reefers

arnoldrandy5115@...
 

I have several Branchline Blueprint kits, they are wood sided reefers with fishbelly underframes, and I was wondering what prototype these represent. They have seperate side panels, which currently are painted and decaled in bill board schemes for various brand name products.
I also would like to ask again how to find the Scalecoat II weathering colors that someone said were available on ebay. I have done several searches on ebay for Scalcoat paint and I have never seen any colors like those mentioned..


Re: Constructing Freight Cars In 1900

 

Bob – The lumber door is typical of Santa Fe practice.  As was rebuilding truss rod cars with steel channel center sills.  Series Bx. W, X and Y were built new this way. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Constructing Freight Cars In 1900
 
 

Courtesy of the USC Digital Archives, here is a link to an image of a freight car “assembly line” in Los Angeles (possibly Southern Pacific shops?) in 1900.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15799coll65/id/11565/rec/89

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge it.

 

There also is a good end view of an early T&NO box car.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: Constructing Freight Cars In 1900

Dennis Storzek
 

It might be an assembly line, but I douvt it is "constructing freight cars." More likely it's a rebuild program, possibly adding steel center sills. Note the cars in the background have varying degrees of damage; one has the end pushed out, likely indicating broken end posts, while the car directly behind the wagon has a sheet iron patch on the corner. The third car back on that track is way up in the air, likely on horses, and is the likely recipient of that steel centersill / bolster assembly.

There was an interesting article in the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society magazine about twenty years ago about rebuilding cars of the same era. The work was jobbed out to Manitowoc Shipbuilding.  That firm had both the wood and metal working skills to do the job, but not much track. They did, however, have lots of acreage serviced by traveling cranes, so as the rolled the cars into the program, they lifted the bodies off the trucks, then flew them out into the yard, setting the bodies in rows on horses. The trucks were gathered up and taken to the blacksmith shop for rebuilding, and later reunited with the finished bodies.

Dennis


Re: Tru-color paint

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

Don,
Accupaint bottled up their product from ONE gallon pails, not five. And they stepped on it a bit, supposedly to enhance the covering abilities, but I suspect it was to increase the profit margin. Tim O'Connor could tell us much more, as he knew the principals.

Tru-paint, like Accupaint, is sourced from Southern California.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

You are correct on the source but that is all, Andy.
As far as Tim O'Connor is concerned I knew George Bishop, the sole "pricipal" and quite well at that as we used to meet at
noon at least once per week, before anyone over heard of Tim.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Constructing Freight Cars In 1900

thecitrusbelt@...
 

Courtesy of the USC Digital Archives, here is a link to an image of a freight car “assembly line” in Los Angeles (possibly Southern Pacific shops?) in 1900.

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15799coll65/id/11565/rec/89

 

Use the slider above the image to enlarge it.

 

There also is a good end view of an early T&NO box car.

 

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

 


Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: hide cars (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Kinda like the PRR's "offal" gons.

Elden Gatwood

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The C&O used old over-sheathed single-sheathed box cars in Shuttle Service around Newport News in the sixties. Once designated, they were ready to be burned as the next stage of their lives.



Al Kresse



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From: "Elden SAW Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil>
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Clark;

PRR did use stenciling on most of the cars they used in dedicated service, but many in nasty services do not appear to have had it. I am not sure why. It's not like those cars were going to go back into general service! Also, the cars I have seen in some kind of dedicated nasty service were almost all not repainted before doing so. A really awful Circle Keystone P&L might be appropriate.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Pennsy hide car



I’m about to decal a X29 that I have documentation on carrying hides.

Did the Pennsy use any special stenciling to indicate car usage?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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Re: Hides

Dave Nelson
 

 

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Speaking of hides

Chuck Peck

 

 

[DHN:]  Ahhh, yes.  Been meaning to ask: anyone know if the C&NW used a particular class of cars for hide service, post WWII?  I’ve seen some photos of MILW cars in hide service that were painted gray… USRA cars I think… and it got me wondering about the C&NW as they had a lot of old, small boxcars that would have been good for carrying around bloody flesh in the summer heat.

 

Dave Nelson


Re: hide cars

water.kresse@...
 

The C&O used old over-sheathed single-sheathed box cars in Shuttle Service around Newport News in the sixties.  Once designated, they were ready to be burned as the next stage of their lives.

 

Al Kresse


From: "Elden SAW Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 9:42:14 AM
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Clark;

PRR did use stenciling on most of the cars they used in dedicated service, but many in nasty services do not appear to have had it.  I am not sure why.  It's not like those cars were going to go back into general service!  Also, the cars I have seen in some kind of dedicated nasty service were almost all not repainted before doing so.  A really awful Circle Keystone P&L might be appropriate.

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:58 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Pennsy hide car

  

I’m about to decal a X29 that I have documentation on carrying hides.
 
Did the Pennsy use any special stenciling to indicate car usage?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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Re: [EXTERNAL] Pennsy hide car (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Clark;

PRR did use stenciling on most of the cars they used in dedicated service, but many in nasty services do not appear to have had it. I am not sure why. It's not like those cars were going to go back into general service! Also, the cars I have seen in some kind of dedicated nasty service were almost all not repainted before doing so. A really awful Circle Keystone P&L might be appropriate.

Elden Gatwood

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Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 2:58 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [STMFC] Pennsy hide car



I’m about to decal a X29 that I have documentation on carrying hides.

Did the Pennsy use any special stenciling to indicate car usage?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa



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Re: Hides

Tim O'Connor
 

Chuck

Greg Komar made an excellent WA&G set for the XM-1 box cars.
Greg closed down his business so they will be hard to find, but
you might ask at Des Plaines Hobbies or other shops that stock
them.

Jerry Glow has WAG decals listed on his web page.

Tim O'Connor

Speaking of hides, is there a source for HO WAG "Sole Leather Line" boxcar

decals? I'm thinking of the single sheath wood cars like 5201. Pratt truss style,
like the L&N had. Was there an original owner of these hide cars?
Chuck Peck


Re: SAL B-4 and B-5 Rebuilt boxcars

al_brown03
 

A few published photos:

SAL 14004: Griffin, "SAL", p 203
SAL 14100, 14117, 14754, 14900, 20058, 20102, 20145: Faulk, "SAL Color Guide", pp 37-42
SAL 14117, 14601, 14620, 20168: Golden, Lines South 4th/04 pp 25-29
SAL 14218, Oates (ed.), Lines South 6/84 p 14
SAL 14320: Reid, "N&W and VGN Railways in Color", p 98
SAL 14620: Culotta, "FCRM 1", p 59
SAL 14976, 20023: Cheney and Sweetland, "Southern Railway in Color", pp 64, 62
SAL 20119: Barkan and Nehrich, MM 8/86 p 38

These are all from the B-5 class, and have exterior steel sheathing as Mr Haycock describes. Rebuilt B-5s were re-numbered 14000-14999 and 20000-20199 (Golden).

The only photo I've seen of the older B-3 or B-4 classes in rebuilt form is of a B-3, SAL 12869: Golden, p 24, and Culotta, p 58. It has a diffferent appearance: the steel sheathing is inside the truss, so that the truss is still fully exposed. Culotta states that B-3s and B-4s were rebuilt this way and not re-numbered; since the ORER listings weren't broken out, it's hard to tell how many were done.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Replacing wheels in brass trucks. Was: HO Scale Freight Car Truck Do

Monk Alan <Alan.Monk@...>
 

We sometimes have similar issues here with our freight trucks (bogies), though our aftermarket ones tend to be cast in whitemetal/pewter, rather than brass castings/stampings.

 

The main problems are similar to those you have with brass trucks:

Mismatched sides

Poor/non-existant cones for pin-point bearings/axles

Difficult to build true/square

 

The general solution we use is a simple etched brass fold-up inner, set up for our standard brass ‘top-hat’ pinpoint bearings and wheelsets, onto which the sideframes (usually once the rear surface is filed suitably flat and rough holes drilled for the bearings) are glued or soldered as desired. You end up with a true and very free-running truck.

 

 

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KBtTV9Zreq4/UAW48vsj9FI/AAAAAAAAAtI/txBw5knJSxA/s1600/P1010002-003.JPG shows a simple fold-up set for a passenger truck, but similar etches are available for a number of wheelbase lengths, sideframe types, freight and passenger. http://www.kato-unitrack.co.uk/a1-models-a8314-bogie-frames-28318-0.html

 

Where required, the etch has openings in the fold down sections to match openings in the truck sideframes, retaining the ‘see-through’ look. Some manufacturers have taken that simple fold-up design and added 3-point compensation or even full springing, for those working in our finest standards.

 

Regards,
Alan Monk

Reading, UK

 

 

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