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ARA Standard Box Car of 1932 book by Ted Culotta

Tom Lawler
 

I have a copy of this book for sale.  It is in great condition, like new.  $75 gets it shipped to you via media mail.

 

Please contact me (not the list).

 

Thanks,

 

Tom Lawler


Re: branchline blueprint reefers

Bill Welch
 

I am going to use one of my undecorated Branchline AC&F kits to model the FGE group of cars purchased from the New Haven. I only have a photo of one of NYNH&H cars in express service-published at some point in their HS magazine-but have every reason to believe the freight reefers were pretty much the same as they were built at the same time. Although I do not have any photos in FGE service, I do plan to put the Accurail Hutchins reefer roof on it. I don't remember what other changes will be needed.


Bill Welch


Re: Mule Hides

Paul Hillman
 

Thanks Tony & Alex,
 
I actually was worried about back in the "old days" all those real Mules being turned into roofs. One never knows.
 
I checked into their site and "Mule Hide" just might work out for a low-pitch porch roof I'm wanting to build. Could pretend I'm sitting in an old caboose.
 
Paul Hillman
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mule Hides

 

Paul Hillman wrote:
I have an official dwg. of a C&EI caboose-type built in 1913 and rebuilt in 1940. The drawing-notes state: "Roof - Mule Hide"
 
Was that "real" Mule Hide or some term for some other type of material?

      It's a trade name. You can see it advertised in Railway Age and in some Cycs.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Hides

Tim O'Connor
 


Down the road from Reindeerville.


Where is Elkland?
Norm Larkin
----- Original Message -----
From: mguill1224@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Hides

Most, if not all, of the boxcars owned by the Wellsville Addison & Galeton carried hides.  Pics of those cars at tanneries on the WAG do exist, especially the big one at Elkland, the loss of which doomed the WAG.  Yankee Clipper offered an HO kit for a WAG boxcar.  Most of those cars came from the B&M.  I run one on my layout even though I do not have a tannery.


Re: Mule Hides

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

You can read all about Mule Hide roofing at http://www.mulehide.com/home/about-mule-hide ; they say it’s been around since 1906.

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Paul Hillman
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mule Hides

 




I have an official dwg. of a C&EI caboose-type built in 1913 and rebuilt in 1940. The drawing-notes state: "Roof - Mule Hide"

 

Was that "real" Mule Hide or some term for some other type of material?

 

Paul Hillman

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:57 PM

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Hides

 

 

Elkland, PA

The only "Elkland" Mapquest returned.

Thanks!
--





Re: Mule Hides

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Hillman wrote:
I have an official dwg. of a C&EI caboose-type built in 1913 and rebuilt in 1940. The drawing-notes state: "Roof - Mule Hide"
 
Was that "real" Mule Hide or some term for some other type of material?

      It's a trade name. You can see it advertised in Railway Age and in some Cycs.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Mule Hides

Paul Hillman
 

I have an official dwg. of a C&EI caboose-type built in 1913 and rebuilt in 1940. The drawing-notes state: "Roof - Mule Hide"
 
Was that "real" Mule Hide or some term for some other type of material?
 
Paul Hillman
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Hides

 

Elkland, PA

The only "Elkland" Mapquest returned.

Thanks!
--


Re: Hides

 

Elkland, PA

The only "Elkland" Mapquest returned.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Norm Larkin <lonolarkin1@verizon.net>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:51 PM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Hides






Where is Elkland?
Norm Larkin


----- Original Message -----

From: mguill1224@aol.com

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:59 AM

Subject: RE: [STMFC] Hides




Most, if not all, of the boxcars owned by the Wellsville Addison & Galeton
carried hides. Pics of those cars at tanneries on the WAG do exist,
especially the big one at Elkland, the loss of which doomed the WAG. Yankee
Clipper offered an HO kit for a WAG boxcar. Most of those cars came from the
B&M. I run one on my layout even though I do not have a tannery.


Re: Hides

Norman+Laraine Larkin
 

Where is Elkland?
Norm Larkin

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Hides

Most, if not all, of the boxcars owned by the Wellsville Addison & Galeton carried hides.  Pics of those cars at tanneries on the WAG do exist, especially the big one at Elkland, the loss of which doomed the WAG.  Yankee Clipper offered an HO kit for a WAG boxcar.  Most of those cars came from the B&M.  I run one on my layout even though I do not have a tannery.


Re: Constructing Freight Cars In 1900

David Allen
 

Folks:

According to Thompson, Southern Pacific Freight Cars vol 4 Box Cars
T&N) 3xx22 is likely a CS-31, built by AC&F in c1902 as part of T&NO
series 31150-31499. But the car is pretty well "weathered" (note the
6" board being used as the upper end door) suggesting quite a few years
of service. And the car was likely built with only side grab irons,
with end grabs being added c1911. I suggest the photo was taken in
around 1915 or so.

Be well. Dave A.



Prior Messages-----
Posted by: "Robert Simpson" riverob@...

The car end closest to the camera is T&NO 3xx22.  Car to the left is SP (can't read the 5-digit number)

and ---
Posted by: "Bob Chaparro"
12/ 9/2013

Courtesy of the USC Digital Archives, here is a link to an image of a
freight car “assembly line” in Los Angeles (possibly Southern Pacific
shops?) in 1900.
 http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15799coll65/id/11565/rec/89
 


Re: Constructing Freight Cars In 1900

David Allen
 

Folks:  According to Thompson Freight Cars vol 4 the car, T&NO 3xx22 is likely a 

CS-31 built c1902, series 31150-31499, 300 cars. And note that it has both side 

and end grab irons; it was likely built with solely side grab irons, the end grabs 

being installed about 1911.  And the siding is pretty "weathered," suggesting 

quite a few years of service. (Note the 6" board serving as the upper end door, 

for example).  I suggest the date of the photo is possibly 1915-1920.


Dave A.



---In STMFC@..., <riverob@...> wrote:  The car end closest to the camera is T&NO 3xx22.

      Car to the left is SP (can't read the 5-digit number)


Robert Simpson

---In STMFC@..., <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

<<<snip>>>

http://digitallibrary.usc.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/p15799coll65/id/11565/rec/89

 




Re: Tru-color paint

Bill Welch
 

Norm, I hope you will consider putting your research and findings into a presentation for The Beach, Lisle, etc. and/or doing something in one of the mags, print or electronic.


Bill Welch


Re: Hides

 

The Peter Cooper plant in Gowanda NY received hides in gondola cars.  The hides floated in slime.  In summer there was a noticeable fragrance that permeated the entire area.  Careless switching frequently resulted in hides being sloshed out of the cars.  I had the extreme pleasure of working on a road crew just downwind of the plant back in the summer of 1962.  Needless to say we went for a ride before we ate lunch.


Re: Hides

 

Most, if not all, of the boxcars owned by the Wellsville Addison & Galeton carried hides.  Pics of those cars at tanneries on the WAG do exist, especially the big one at Elkland, the loss of which doomed the WAG.  Yankee Clipper offered an HO kit for a WAG boxcar.  Most of those cars came from the B&M.  I run one on my layout even though I do not have a tannery.


Re: branchline blueprint reefers

Michael Aufderheide
 

Has anyone used Branchline's reefers as a kitbash into another prototype than NWX/URTX?.  I'm thinking along the lines of the Bruce Smith, Greg Martin and Bill Welch conversions of Accurail's cars.  


Regards,


Mike Aufderheide


Re: Tru-color paint

Norm Buckhart
 

TIm - Protocraft's TCP numbers are a propitiatory number assigned by True Color Paints for the Protocraft Paint Package line - where you can order them .  The 8 freight car red/brown colors are matched to actual paint chips given to Ed Hawkins, Pat Wider and Ray Long (publishers of the comprehensive RP CYC series) when they were given access to AC&F's factory archives long before the factory closed and the materials were sent to the St Louis Mercantile Library at the University of Missouri (where they can be seen today.)  Ed's research separating all the many chips taken from drift cards at the back of each Bill of Materials for each Lot number of cars ordered and built at ACF, proved that while there were many paint manufacturers specified by the car purchaser, and each had a name or different number for their product, or both, that dozens of different chips would reveal themselves to be identical.  For Pullman, the Bill of Materials was the reference, but the same paint manufacturers were used.

The net of Ed's research - and I have gone through his collection of grouped colors - is that there really was only 8 different shades of freight car red/brown.  For example, the early shades fell into what we called Group I.  This was a dark brown used in the early years:1930-1940's.  Different paint chips had different paint manufacturers such as Glidden, Pittsburg Paint, Dupont and others, with each having a part number and usually a named color.   The roads that specified the Group I colors were ATSF, B&O, CGW, C&O, ERIE, NK,  PM, KCS, L&A, MP and subsidiarys, NdeM, RI and W&LE.  BUT when the chips were laid out on the table in sunlight - they were all identical in color and shade.

Therefor if painting a model for any of these roads for the period 1930-1940's, TCP-921 would be correct.  However there is a caveat to this - while prototypically correct, this shade is a very dark brown.  Next it is important to understand that this paint faded and oxidized rather quickly, resulting in a much lighter shade.  The shade gets lighter as the paint oxidized over a period of 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc.  So you don't want to use the TCP paint straight out of the bottle, unless you want to model the day the car came out of the paint shop.  The answer is to mix in a small amount of TCP179 Grey (included in the paint package) to achieve the years the car was being exposed to the elements.  This is achieved by first priming a piece of scrap styrene and then experimenting to find the shade you want.  And finally, examine your dried sample under the layout's lights, which will be different than sunlight.

Then too, after 8-10 years the cars were repainted, using a later shade of paint, and probably a new synthetic one, plus new lettering schemes.  The actual paint chips show the same thing in these groups, but now with a more reddish hues and oxidized colors; hence the higher TCP Group numbers, ending in Group VIII.   These were slower to fade, but they did and still need to be blended with TCP-179 to replicate normal aging.

The result is a very accurate color for your period model, from the 1930's right up to the 1960's.

Norm Buckhart
Protocraft

On Dec 9, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Timothy Cannon wrote:

 

On the subject of True Color Paint- The Protocraft Decal web site calls for TCP-923 color for a certain decal set. For the life of me I cannot find this number listed anywhere on the TCP color chart. Am I missing something here or what???

Thanks!

Tim

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Don
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Tru-color paint

 

 



--- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
>
> Don,
> Accupaint bottled up their product from ONE gallon pails, not five. And they stepped on it a bit, supposedly to enhance the covering abilities, but I suspect it was to increase the profit margin. Tim O'Connor could tell us much more, as he knew the principals.
>
> Tru-paint, like Accupaint, is sourced from Southern California.
> -Andy Carlson
> Ojai CA

You are correct on the source but that is all, Andy.
As far as Tim O'Connor is concerned I knew George Bishop, the sole "pricipal" and quite well at that as we used to meet at
noon at least once per week, before anyone over heard of Tim.

Cordially, Don Valentine




Re: Merchandise Service X26c

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Lane wrote:
"I am looking for a Merchandise Service X26c prototype photo to add to my collection. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321270565805 My friend that made this car said they do exist."
 
Your friend overeggs the pudding a bit.  Only two Class X26C boxcars (105136 and 107324) were equipped to handle LCL freight, and there is no evidence to date, either photo or written documentation, that these were ever painted in MS1.  It's highly likely they were as the other classes so equipped received MS1, so if your search turns something up, it would be great.
 
 
Ben Hom


Merchandise Service X26c

Bill Lane
 

I am looking for a Merchandise Service X26c  prototype photo to add to my collection. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321270565805 My friend that made this car said they do exist.

 

Please reply directly if you have a photo. bill@...

 

Thank You,
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Re: Hides

Benjamin Scanlon
 

I wonder if any member is aware of any website that has photos showing boxcars on sidings, team tracks, spurs (?) serving a tannery or any other trackside business that received hides ? 

 

Such a a spur seems a good excuse to have a few boxcars turn up that would not otherwise be likely in the area. 

 

If there's a choice, a siding in a southern location would be ideal. 

 

Ben


Re: Tru-color paint

Tim O'Connor
 

Don

What a silly argument. I didn't meet George until 1988. Obviously I was
not the first person to know George.

But, Andy is correct. The paint came in 1 gallon quantities by 1988, for
certain. And even at that size, George got about 250 bottles out of a gallon.
In fact this "huge" quantity was the reason that George allowed his stock to
dry up completely and he would not re-order a color until he had back orders
to cover his up front cost! All arguments that this was a really bad way to
run a paint business fell on deaf ears, since people could not GET his paints
at all for long periods of time. George was a masterful modeler, but not a
good businessman. Still, I learned a lot from George!

Tim O'

Accupaint bottled up their product from ONE gallon pails, not five.
> You are correct on the source but that is all, Andy.
> Cordially, Don Valentine

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