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Mail Order (Was Jerry Glow, AGAIN)

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

I've never dealt with Jerry Glow, but I'm puzzled why anyone deals online with a business unless it has a phone number
and/or mailing address to which questions can be posed. Train shows are another matter where "what you see is what you
get". Are his wares that unique?

Alex Schneider

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Baker
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:05 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN


________________________________________


Group,

I have done business with Jerry many times. Sometimes the turnaround is rapid; at other times the wait is protracted.
Jerry creates the artwork for a given decal, but he does not print the decal. That is left to a person who apparently
has done work for him many times before. In addition, his jobber has had printing equipment break down, and that
extends the wait.

One order took about a year, but Jerry came through. I do not believe he intends to defraud anyone. Multiple orders,
some larger than others, can create a backlog. My advice is hang in there and be patient. He will come through.

Tom Baker

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Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

 

He is active on the MoPac list, and I have replied to one of his messages
there about this discontent. I do not know why he seems to be ignoring it.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From: Thomas Baker <bakert@andrews.edu>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:05 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN







________________________________________

Group,

I have done business with Jerry many times. Sometimes the turnaround is
rapid; at other times the wait is protracted. Jerry creates the artwork for
a given decal, but he does not print the decal. That is left to a person
who apparently has done work for him many times before. In addition, his
jobber has had printing equipment break down, and that extends the wait.

One order took about a year, but Jerry came through. I do not believe he
intends to defraud anyone. Multiple orders, some larger than others, can
create a backlog. My advice is hang in there and be patient. He will come
through.

Tom Baker








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Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Charles Peck
 

Tom, you have been luckier than some. After waiting six months or so, I inquired about my order.
Jerry replied that he showed it as having been sent months ago.  So I'm out my money
and no decals.  It won't happen again to me.
Chuck Peck


On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Baker <bakert@...> wrote:
 


________________________________________

Group,

I have done business with Jerry many times. Sometimes the turnaround is rapid; at other times the wait is protracted. Jerry creates the artwork for a given decal, but he does not print the decal. That is left to a person who apparently has done work for him many times before. In addition, his jobber has had printing equipment break down, and that extends the wait.

One order took about a year, but Jerry came through. I do not believe he intends to defraud anyone. Multiple orders, some larger than others, can create a backlog. My advice is hang in there and be patient. He will come through.

Tom Baker



Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Thomas Baker
 

________________________________________


Group,

I have done business with Jerry many times. Sometimes the turnaround is rapid; at other times the wait is protracted. Jerry creates the artwork for a given decal, but he does not print the decal. That is left to a person who apparently has done work for him many times before. In addition, his jobber has had printing equipment break down, and that extends the wait.

One order took about a year, but Jerry came through. I do not believe he intends to defraud anyone. Multiple orders, some larger than others, can create a backlog. My advice is hang in there and be patient. He will come through.

Tom Baker


M&B #1988

Earl Tuson
 

On another list, someone inquired about the history of the STMFC in this photo:

http://photos.nerail.org/s/?p=172371

Can anyone assist? TIA,

Earl Tuson
572 days without decals


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers

Scott H. Haycock
 


Tim,

I'm not positive about this, but I believe that the slurried shipment of kaolin in tank cars postdates the timeframe of this list. I did a little research on the use of kaolin in the paper industry several years ago as a possible industry for my model railroad, but concluded that a paper mill, properly modeled, was too large for my space.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 


Kaolin is shipped as either a powder in covered hoppers, or as a (liquid) slurry in tank cars, and is
used to produce slick paper for magazines, coatings for corrugated paper boxes, etc, and coatings
for consumer packaging. It's cheap, bright white, and non-toxic -- it's an ideal product. The main
competition is various limestone products, also shipped as dry powders or slurries.


Tim O'Connor





Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


Kaolin is shipped as either a powder in covered hoppers, or as a (liquid) slurry in tank cars, and is
used to produce slick paper for magazines, coatings for corrugated paper boxes, etc, and coatings
for consumer packaging. It's cheap, bright white, and non-toxic -- it's an ideal product. The main
competition is various limestone products, also shipped as dry powders or slurries.

Tim O'Connor




I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin    So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Tim O'Connor
 

I don't think Jerry has every decal in stock all the time. Jerry
has the decals printed by someone else, so there may be a delay. I've
said before I think it's a bad business practice to cash the check
if the product is not in stock, but delays are normal in the hobby biz.
Gene's 5-week turnaround is pretty good compared to Sunshine's old
26-week delays...

Tim O'


I'll add to this from my recent experience. I placed a $140 order on 11-3 and received it on 12-14.
Jerry acknowledged the order & followed up with a note on its status in late November. I wonder why
there are some that seem to fall through the cracks.
Gene Semon


Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Mikebrock
 

Dave Boss writes about Jerry Glow and his decal operation.

" I too have become prey of the decal scam. I sent an order in Oct.2013 Jerry cashed the check Oct.23rd. I have yet to receive the decals. I sent numerous E-mails,and have had no reply. I asked for a refund or the decals in last E-mail over the week end no answer."

In my role as Moderator/Owner of the STMFC I do have a role in which I might inquire about any problems that a manufacturer might be having. I have done that with respect to Jerry Glow's decal production. Furthermore, I received a reply from Jerry:

Jerry noted that he had gotten
his computer back and would be contacting those involved.

To be sure, I have no first hand information about any response times regarding any decal production by Jerry. In addition, I have no information regarding any payments to Jerry for decals and no postal data regarding failure to deliver. I have no information of any kind indicating failure to deliver. I do not enforce laws regarding mail delivery or payment for items not delivered. Hence, the STMFC is NOT the place for such discussions. I have inquired if Jerry might have a problem and he responded that he did have a computer problem. On November 17 I noted that the thread about Jerry Glow's delivery of decals is TERMINATED. I will say again that it remains terminated. Now, given that the STMFC is NOT the place...by definition...to complain about a manufacturer's business practices, I will again make it clear that complaints about Jerry Glow's operation is out of scope on the STMFC. This time the termination decree will be enforced.

I will note, BTW, that Jerry will be attending Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach during Jan 9-11.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Tony Thompson
 

      Um, how many times does Mike Brock have to terminate this topic???

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Gene Semon <mopac1@...>
 

Gentlemen,

 

I’ll add to this from my recent experience.  I placed a $140 order on 11-3 and received it on 12-14.  Jerry acknowledged the order & followed up with a note  on its status in late November.  I wonder why there are some that seem to fall through the cracks.

 

Gene Semon

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Brad Andonian
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:52 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

 




Fellas,

 

I am sorry to see this; I have had good relations and dealings with Mr. Glow.    Orders have arrived in excellent condition.    A few have been slow, but most very satisfactory.

 

I hope this helps some.

BRad Andonian

 

On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:00 PM, "daveboss10@..." <daveboss10@...> wrote:

 

Allen

          I too have become prey of the decal scam. I sent an order in Oct.2013 Jerry cashed the check Oct.23rd. I have yet to receive the decals. I sent numerous E-mails,and have had no reply. I asked for a refund or the decals in last E-mail over the week end no answer.  Dave

 




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Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Brad Andonian
 

Fellas,

I am sorry to see this; I have had good relations and dealings with Mr. Glow.    Orders have arrived in excellent condition.    A few have been slow, but most very satisfactory.

I hope this helps some.
BRad Andonian


On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:00 PM, "daveboss10@..." wrote:
 
Allen
          I too have become prey of the decal scam. I sent an order in Oct.2013 Jerry cashed the check Oct.23rd. I have yet to receive the decals. I sent numerous E-mails,and have had no reply. I asked for a refund or the decals in last E-mail over the week end no answer.  Dave



Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Dave Boss
 

Allen

          I too have become prey of the decal scam. I sent an order in Oct.2013 Jerry cashed the check Oct.23rd. I have yet to receive the decals. I sent numerous E-mails,and have had no reply. I asked for a refund or the decals in last E-mail over the week end no answer.  Dave


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Scott H. Haycock
 

Dave, 

Plans for these cars appear in the Aug. 1998 Mainline Modeler.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 

Based on Eric's reply, some of these C of G cars might have made it to places like Minneapolis & St Paul.  If that is the case I could model one for a CB&Q train on the C&I branch (Aurora. IL to Twin Cities) of the "Q".  Now if I could only get some good plans I might just be able to scratch build on of these in O-Scale Proto 48!  Oh, yes, where to find decals for these PS-2 two bay covered hoppers in O-Scale?
 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Dave Sarther
 

Based on Eric's reply, some of these C of G cars might have made it to places like Minneapolis & St Paul.  If that is the case I could model one for a CB&Q train on the C&I branch (Aurora. IL to Twin Cities) of the "Q".  Now if I could only get some good plans I might just be able to scratch build on of these in O-Scale Proto 48!  Oh, yes, where to find decals for these PS-2 two bay covered hoppers in O-Scale?
 
Later,  Dave Sarther

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Gendernalik
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Also, out of Spruce Pine, NC on the Clinchfield.

Frank Gendernalik  Northville, MI


On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:06 PM, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:
 
Good point Eric, just because you're not a C of G modeler doesn't mean you can't justify one or more of these cars on your layout.
 
Todd Horton

From: Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 

Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther




Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Frank Gendernalik
 

Also, out of Spruce Pine, NC on the Clinchfield.

Frank Gendernalik  Northville, MI


On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:06 PM, Todd Horton wrote:
 
Good point Eric, just because you're not a C of G modeler doesn't mean you can't justify one or more of these cars on your layout.
 
Todd Horton

From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 

Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther




Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Todd Horton
 

Good point Eric, just because you're not a C of G modeler doesn't mean you can't justify one or more of these cars on your layout.
 
Todd Horton

From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 

Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 

Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.

 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Scott H. Haycock
 

Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.

 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Dave Sarther
 

I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin May
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
What were these covered hoppers used for?

Feed, Kaolin, Cement, and Clay mostly, although the standard "any dry powdered commodity" could be hauled in much the same manner. Sugar was reserved for a group of 4180 cuft Airslides delivered in the post-1960 era.

Justin May

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