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Re: Jerry Glow, AGAIN

Dave Boss
 

Allen

          I too have become prey of the decal scam. I sent an order in Oct.2013 Jerry cashed the check Oct.23rd. I have yet to receive the decals. I sent numerous E-mails,and have had no reply. I asked for a refund or the decals in last E-mail over the week end no answer.  Dave


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Scott H. Haycock
 

Dave, 

Plans for these cars appear in the Aug. 1998 Mainline Modeler.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent


 

Based on Eric's reply, some of these C of G cars might have made it to places like Minneapolis & St Paul.  If that is the case I could model one for a CB&Q train on the C&I branch (Aurora. IL to Twin Cities) of the "Q".  Now if I could only get some good plans I might just be able to scratch build on of these in O-Scale Proto 48!  Oh, yes, where to find decals for these PS-2 two bay covered hoppers in O-Scale?
 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Dave Sarther
 

Based on Eric's reply, some of these C of G cars might have made it to places like Minneapolis & St Paul.  If that is the case I could model one for a CB&Q train on the C&I branch (Aurora. IL to Twin Cities) of the "Q".  Now if I could only get some good plans I might just be able to scratch build on of these in O-Scale Proto 48!  Oh, yes, where to find decals for these PS-2 two bay covered hoppers in O-Scale?
 
Later,  Dave Sarther

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Gendernalik
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Also, out of Spruce Pine, NC on the Clinchfield.

Frank Gendernalik  Northville, MI


On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:06 PM, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:
 
Good point Eric, just because you're not a C of G modeler doesn't mean you can't justify one or more of these cars on your layout.
 
Todd Horton

From: Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 

Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther




Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Frank Gendernalik
 

Also, out of Spruce Pine, NC on the Clinchfield.

Frank Gendernalik  Northville, MI


On Monday, December 16, 2013 3:06 PM, Todd Horton wrote:
 
Good point Eric, just because you're not a C of G modeler doesn't mean you can't justify one or more of these cars on your layout.
 
Todd Horton

From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 

Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther




Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Todd Horton
 

Good point Eric, just because you're not a C of G modeler doesn't mean you can't justify one or more of these cars on your layout.
 
Todd Horton

From: Eric Neubauer
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 

Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent
I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


Actually, much of the kaolin for coating paper was used in New Engand and the northern Midwest. The central Georgia region was the primary source.
 
Eric
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 

Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.

 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Scott H. Haycock
 

Dave,

In the Southeast, a lot of kaolin was used in papermaking. My understanding is that kaolin is what gives paper that smooth finish, as opposed to newsprint, etc.

Scott Haycock
Modeling Tarheel country in the Land of Enchantm
ent

I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.

 
Later,  Dave Sarther


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Dave Sarther
 

I am not a C of G modeler but have found this thread most informative.  Since I didn't know what kaolin was, nor what it could be used for, I had to resort to Google as my friend.  http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/science-medicine/kaolin   So now I know it is most commonly found in the US in Georgia and is used most often in the production of white china.
 
Later,  Dave Sarther

-----Original Message-----
From: Justin May
To: STMFC
Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

 
What were these covered hoppers used for?

Feed, Kaolin, Cement, and Clay mostly, although the standard "any dry powdered commodity" could be hauled in much the same manner. Sugar was reserved for a group of 4180 cuft Airslides delivered in the post-1960 era.

Justin May


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Tim O'Connor
 


Fertilizer, and kaolin, too.


In the early days mostly cement.  Later they were used for grain and other commodities.  On the SR drawings they are referred to as cement hoppers
Fenton Wells

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:43 AM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote

What were these covered hoppers used for?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

David Sieber
 

Q:  What were these covered hoppers used for?
 
Feed, Kaolin, Cement, and Clay mostly, although the standard "any dry powdered commodity" could be hauled in much the same manner. Sugar was reserved for a group of 4180 cuft Airslides delivered in the post-1960 era.
Justin May
 
Also fertilizer, at least in the years immediately following the span of this list.  There was a recent discussion on the MFCL about a photo of PS-2 CG 997 on a Penn Central team track at Medford NJ in 3-68.  Pink spillage in several spots on the ground near the portable unloader's spout suggested that the cargo probably had been fertilizer.
Dave Sieber, Reno NV  


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Todd Horton
 

Kaolin, was, and is still, a major traffic commodity in the Sandersville Ga area. Being that the Sandersville connected with the C of G I would assume they hauled a lot of this product in the Central cars
 
Todd Horton

From: Justin May
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 
What were these covered hoppers used for?

Feed, Kaolin, Cement, and Clay mostly, although the standard "any dry powdered commodity" could be hauled in much the same manner. Sugar was reserved for a group of 4180 cuft Airslides delivered in the post-1960 era.

Justin May


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Justin May <jmay59@...>
 

What were these covered hoppers used for?

Feed, Kaolin, Cement, and Clay mostly, although the standard "any dry powdered commodity" could be hauled in much the same manner. Sugar was reserved for a group of 4180 cuft Airslides delivered in the post-1960 era.

Justin May


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

O Fenton Wells
 

In the early days mostly cement.  Later they were used for grain and other commodities.  On the SR drawings they are referred to as cement hoppers
Fenton Wells


On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:43 AM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
 

What were these covered hoppers used for?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa




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Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
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Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Clark Propst
 

What were these covered hoppers used for?
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Justin May <jmay59@...>
 

This is beyond the scope of this groups era, but how about the
green lettered scheme started in the 60's, after Southern absorbed it?

Any repainted CofG freight car after June 17, 1963 was subject to be repainted into the Southern style block "Central of Georgia" scheme. The application to boxcars was generally in white, whereas the application of black and green Central of Georgia lettering was applied to various covered hoppers. Typically the black and green schemes were applied by Southern Railway shop forces. Cabs (caboose) were subject to this scheme as well and as such were lettered in white. Most photographs I've seen show the earliest white "CENTRAL OF GEORGIA" scheme applied in 1964 to a group of 86' auto parts boxcars.

STMFC content - The Southern style block scheme was applied nearly 10 years after the last 4-8-4 Big Apple was retired.

Justin May


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Todd Horton
 

The cabooses and some of the diesel switchers had a script version of "The Right Way" applied during the 40's, some lasting into at least the mid 50's.
 
 
Todd Horton

From: O Fenton Wells
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 
Todd and Justin thanks for clearing that up and now I'm bummed as I really like the slogan.  Oh well we must be prepared for the prototype police.  So no slogan on the layout.
fenton wells
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:
 
The "Right Way" wasn't added to freight cars till after Sept 1954, The 50' PS-1's were the first freight cars to carry this lettering.
 
Todd Horton

From: Justin May <jmay59@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 
By the way, did these first versions come with "The Right Way" slogan or was that added later?

Fenton,
The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were delivered with a monogram only.

1300-1314, built 1940, Pullman Standard
1315-1339, built 1941, GATC
1340-1349, built 1944, ACF
1350-1374, built 1952, ACF
1375-1424, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1425-1474, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1475-1499, built 1956, Pullman Standard

The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were delivered with a monogram and lettered "THE RIGHT WAY".

960-999, built 1960, Pullman Standard
1000-1199, built 1957, Pullman Standard

Justin May



-- Fenton Wells5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374910-420-1144srrfan1401@...


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Todd Horton
 

Larry, It varies depending on what cars you are looking at. The end reporting marks are different. Some had C.of Ga and some used CG. I have never come across a photo of C. of Ga. used on the sides of a car and I have studied the freight cars extensively.
 
Todd Horton

From: "granpa92@..."
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 
I find it interesting in Justin's photos that the reporting marks on
the side of the cars are C. G. and on the ends they are C. of Ga. Were
all the freight cars of the road lettered that way? Do the Microscale
decals reflect this lettering?

Larry Platt

The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were
delivered with a monogram only.

1300-1314, built 1940, Pullman Standard
1315-1339, built 1941, GATC
1340-1349, built 1944, ACF
1350-1374, built 1952, ACF
1375-1424, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1425-1474, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1475-1499, built 1956, Pullman Standard

The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were
delivered with a monogram and lettered "THE RIGHT WAY".

960-999, built 1960, Pullman Standard
1000-1199, built 1957, Pullman Standard

Justin May


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

O Fenton Wells
 

Todd and Justin thanks for clearing that up and now I'm bummed as I really like the slogan.  Oh well we must be prepared for the prototype police.  So no slogan on the layout.
fenton wells


On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:
 

The "Right Way" wasn't added to freight cars till after Sept 1954, The 50' PS-1's were the first freight cars to carry this lettering.
 
Todd Horton

From: Justin May <jmay59@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 
By the way, did these first versions come with "The Right Way" slogan or was that added later?

Fenton,
The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were delivered with a monogram only.

1300-1314, built 1940, Pullman Standard
1315-1339, built 1941, GATC
1340-1349, built 1944, ACF
1350-1374, built 1952, ACF
1375-1424, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1425-1474, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1475-1499, built 1956, Pullman Standard

The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were delivered with a monogram and lettered "THE RIGHT WAY".

960-999, built 1960, Pullman Standard
1000-1199, built 1957, Pullman Standard

Justin May





--
Fenton Wells
5 Newberry Lane
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-1144
srrfan1401@...


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

granpa92@...
 

I find it interesting in Justin's photos that the reporting marks on
the side of the cars are C. G. and on the ends they are C. of Ga. Were
all the freight cars of the road lettered that way? Do the Microscale
decals reflect this lettering?

Larry Platt



The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were
delivered with a monogram only.


1300-1314, built 1940, Pullman Standard
1315-1339, built 1941, GATC
1340-1349, built 1944, ACF
1350-1374, built 1952, ACF
1375-1424, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1425-1474, built 1953, Pullman Standard
1475-1499, built 1956, Pullman Standard


The following series of Central of Georgia two bay covered hoppers were
delivered with a monogram and lettered "THE RIGHT WAY".


960-999, built 1960, Pullman Standard
1000-1199, built 1957, Pullman Standard


Justin May


Re: CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)

Todd Horton
 

Correct, for covered hoppers, box cars are another story
 
Todd Horton

From: O Fenton Wells
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] CofG PS-2 2-Bay Covered Hoppers (Revisited)
 
I understand.  So for my layout which is set in Nov of 1952, it would be just the monograms no slogan.
Thanks
On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Justin May <jmay59@...> wrote:
 
Thanks Justin, so the slogan "The Right Way" wasn't added to the stencil diagrams until 1960?

The Right Way was added to the first covered hopper series in 1956 when series 1475-1499 were delivered from Pullman Standard. I erred initially when posting the series information as these should be included in the group of painted with monogram and The Right Way slogan.


Justin May


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