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IM ACF Sherwin Williams Covered Hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

I’m trying to get some modeling down while off on the holidays. I have an IM Sherwin Williams 1958 CF Covered Hopper.  I’ve made the required updates  but I am at a lose to how I should weather the car. What did these carry? RPC 27 isn’t much help since most photos are builders photos.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 


Re: UPHS Stock Car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Brian:

The article was one of Richard's excellent offerings. It was in the Fall 2009 issue
(Volume 23 NO. 4) of the streamliner.

The car is an S-40-6. I believe that I left that off of my original post.

Bill Pardie

On Dec 25, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

Bill Pardie rites:

"Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck
Harriman stock car."

I'll have mine at Prototype Rails.

Mike Brock



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UP Kitbash 40' Double Door SERVICE Help

JoelDee
 

UP Challenger Merchandise Service

UP Two-tone Grey Express Service

UP Armour Yellow Express Service

On the Athearn site all these boxcars were offered in 2005-8 and are here: Athearn page covering the UP express boxcars released between 2005 and 2008and here: http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=40%27+Box+RTR+Double&CatID=THRF&RN=UP. All shown are double door 40' boxcars

I also read that the 40' double door boxcars Athearn used were a hold over from their purchase of Model Die Casting and it looks as if similar boxcars, under numerous Flags were produced by Roundhouse and may be during the same time period and from the same production mold as well.

Although the paint schemes may (or may not?) be correct for all the boxcars Athearn used to create double door sales, I need some direction to clarify how the UP Service boxcars were specifically painted and how the exterior structure should be created in an accurate model.

I would appreciate all input and direction, especially from individuals who have modeled these particular boxcars, or modeled the 40s-50s double door boxcar on which it looks to be based.

I hope you can help,

Joeldee/Berlin


historical maps

Tim O'Connor
 

Slightly off topic but there I know many railroad fans are also avid map
readers and there are some fascinating US maps here including railroads,
land grants, mail routes, and many other things from the 19th and 20th
centuries.

http://dsl.richmond.edu/historicalatlas/

Tim O'Connor


Re: Kit bash help

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ben, I'll do some digging and see what I can find on the numbering.  The photo is really neat, what an unusual car and the roof extension.  That may make a good project.  
Fenton Wells
So many projects....so little time.


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"I do have a shot of NYC S-55999 which is in the family of cars I'm looking at.  It is in the Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 3 which covers the 1931 CBC.  I'll have to find what number that would have been in the early 1950's."
 
Good luck.  From Terry Link's website, Lot 610-B, NYC 55000-55999, "Various cars renumbered NYC 199000-199999 starting in 1941. Renumbered NYC 214000-214999 starting in 1952. Renumbered NYC 223000-223999 starting in 1959."
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-199384.jpg
 
 
Ben Hom




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Re: Kit bash help

Benjamin Hom
 

Fenton Wells wrote:
"I do have a shot of NYC S-55999 which is in the family of cars I'm looking at.  It is in the Train Shed Cyclopedia No. 3 which covers the 1931 CBC.  I'll have to find what number that would have been in the early 1950's."
 
Good luck.  From Terry Link's website, Lot 610-B, NYC 55000-55999, "Various cars renumbered NYC 199000-199999 starting in 1941. Renumbered NYC 214000-214999 starting in 1952. Renumbered NYC 223000-223999 starting in 1959."
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/NYC-MODELS-FREIGHT2.htm
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-199384.jpg
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: Rutland RR Box Car red

robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Hi Phillip,

Thanks for your reply. I do have that issue of the Newsliner. It was one of the 66 back issues of the Newsliner that I obtained very recently, but with that quantity I haven't been able to through them all yet in detail. When I got it out and read the article, itf was very helpful regarding prototype info, but didn't cover the model paints. Since it mentioned in the article it was part one, I did a search and found part two in the Summer 1997(Vol 9, No 2) issue. Since these articles were published in 1996/1997, a lot has changed in the model paints available.

I read in these articles (and elsewhere) that the Rutland used to source its paint supply contracts through the NYC up until around 1950. So, I think the best choice is the follow the Rutland practice and use the shade of box car red as used on the NYC in this period. By chance, after I sent my question, I saw that Tru-Color Paint is now offering a shade of box car red they describe as NYC 1945-50's Freight Car Red (stock # 221). I've sent them an email requesting a pdf copy of their colour chart, so it'll be interesting to see how this compares to colour photos of the Rutland's box cars. I have ordered quite a few of the Westerfield Rutland 8000 & 9000 series box car kits, so if the Tru-Color paint looks good, it will save having to mix other paints to get a suitable match to paint these models.

If Bill has his power point presentation from the convention, I would certainly like to see it. It would be interesting to see what he has learned since his article in the 1990's.

Regards,

Robert Bogie

On 25/12/2013 12:02 PM, Phillip Blancher wrote:
 

Hi Robert,

Paint varied from batch to batch and depending on when the cars were
painted, weathered differently. RRHS Member Bill Badger wrote a paint
guide in the Winter 1996(Vol 8, No 4) issue of "The Newsliner", the
Rutland Railroad Historical Society magazine. Bill also spoke to this
at length at the 2013 RRHS Annual Convention, which was held in
Burlington Vermont. The back issues is available to purchase from the
RRHS website (http://www.rutlandrr.org) and I can email Bill after
Christmas to see if he can forward a copy of his Powerpoint
presentation from the convention.

Cheers, and Merry Christmas!

Phillip

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On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Robert Bogie wrote:
> Does any one on the list know what paint would best represent the shade
> of box car red used by the Rutland RR in the post WW2 period?
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert Bogie
>
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> Yahoo Groups Links
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Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

Chuck Soule
 

Anyone can visit the NPRHA company store and make purchases.  Members get a discount.  Just google NPRHA, go to the website, and click on "Company Store" then follow the links.  There currently are only two freight cars available, plus the stock car ends.  There are also numerous laser kit buildings and a fabulous set of color drift cards that were carefully researched for accuracy against known paint chips.  There are also other modeler's resources on the site.


Chuck Soule


Re: UPHS Stock Car

Brian Carlson
 

Mike is there a specific UPHS back issue that covers these cars?

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Mike
Brock
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 10:36 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] UPHS Stock Car

Bill Pardie rites:

"Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck
Harriman stock car."

I'll have mine at Prototype Rails.

Mike Brock



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UPHS Stock Car

Mikebrock
 

Bill Pardie rites:

"Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck Harriman stock car."

I'll have mine at Prototype Rails.

Mike Brock


Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

Bill Welch
 

The patterns for the resin NP stock car were done by Aaron Gjermundson I am guessing 7-8 years ago. I purchased mine directly from him, but I do not remember how I learned about, probably the "Resinators Underground Railroad" (tongue planted firmly in cheek). It was my first stock car build and it literally almost put itself together--beautifully mastered, engineered and cast--a gorgeous model.


Bill Welch


Re: Kit bash help

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Ed.  I think I have Vol 21 so I'll take a look.  Thanks for your nice reply.  I do have a shot of NYC S-55999 which is in the family of cars I'm looking at.  It is in the Train Shed Cyclopedia No.3 which covers the 1931 CBC.  I'll have to find what number that would have been in the early 1950's
Fenton Wells


On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:

On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:23 AM, <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I am contemplating a bashing project for auto or furniture cars.  I want to use the Red Caboose 40 ft steel cars and could use some help with photos of candidates.

If anyone has photos of any of the following cars I would appreciate a scan.  These should all be 10'-0" IH cars with 12 foot door openings.  Hopefully I can find the ends and door types from the photos and can get some help regarding trucks, roof walks and brake wheels once I get the candidate list narrowed down to a doable project.
1. GM&O 30000-30025
2. L&N 46200-46399; 46900-47749
3. N&W 49000-49299
4. NYC 48057-48540; 54002-55595; 58000-58999; 67011-67602(end door car); 61058-61686(end door car); 59000-59999(end door car)

Fenton,
The series GM&O 30000-30024 (originally GM&N) was built by ACF in 3-37 and had single-sheathed sides similar to the single door SS box car 20141 shown on p. 37 RP CYC Vol. 23 but with double doors.

Steve Johnson replied on the L&N cars, so I'll skip what I had written except saying there's a photo of steel rebuild 46900 on p. 343 of the 1953 Car Builders' Cyclopedia showing a 3/4 view & the end doors.

N&W 49000-49199 were class BSa, 200 cars rebuilt auto cars in late-1934 to 1935. They were originally built by the railroad in 1927-1930 as class BS auto cars in series 50000-51999. Photos of 49001 (side) and 49189 (3-4B) are on the N&W H.S. web site, and N&W 49048 is shown on the Virginia Tech website. The 49189 shows a Dreadnaught end (early square-corner type, unlike the later 4-5 DN ends of the R.C. model), a radial roof, and vertical-staff hand brake.

N&W 49200-49299 were class B2 round-roof auto cars built 11-36 by Magor. A builder's photo is shown on p. 142 of the 1940 CBC and in-service photos shown on p. 92-93 RP CYC Vol. 23.

Regarding the NYC cars in your list, many of them were USRA steel cars renumbered and/or rebuilt and shown in the roster starting p. 90 RP CYC Volume 21. Any photos that we could find were published in that article. Anyway, I hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins



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Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I got this kit about two years ago when I bought the ends for the Central Valley
car.  I forgot how I found out about it.  It was preobably a comment on this list. 
I don't recall going on the website.  The kit has bery complete instructions including
a prototype photo and a model photo with a partial Central Valley car adjacent to
it.  I am not a society member.

Bill Pardie

On Dec 25, 2013, at 8:52 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

 


Along with the discussion of the Central Valley Northern Pacific stock car it should be noted 
that the Northern Pacific Historical Society also produced a resin stock car kit for the NP
83750 - 83999  truss rod stock car.  This is an excellent kit and is the "proper width".

Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck Harriman stock car.

Neither of these cars had much publicity.  We should note that there are some excellent kits
out there that are under the radar.

Bill Pardie

On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:02 AM, <npin53@...> <npin53@...> wrote:

 

Builder's photographs show the 1930 built stock cars with trucks that match Tahoe #102/202. 

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER102withusers.pdf


The 1936 cars as built had trucks with a really wide spring spacing similar to Tahoe #108/208.



http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER108withusers.pdf


There is a picture on the back cover of an Mainstreeter, with of a car getting trucks switch out, and it was getting T-section Bettendorf type.


I can share more information off list if anyone is interested.


Aaron






Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

Alexander Schneider Jr
 

When you say that a kit is “under the radar”, is it even available for sale to non-members? If so, how does the society (or association, in the case of the NP) promote it?

 

The target market for a historical society’s cars can be much broader than its membership. I have to salute the New York Central System Historical Society in this regard. Although members do receive a discount, the cars are readily available to non-members, and this certainly makes it easier to develop sufficient orders to reach the break-even point. Although the Society can’t afford a lot of advertising in MR or RMC, I understand they are trying to advertise new items in the NMRA Bulletin.

 

Alex Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 12:53 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

 




 

Along with the discussion of the Central Valley Northern Pacific stock car it should be noted 

that the Northern Pacific Historical Society also produced a resin stock car kit for the NP

83750 - 83999  truss rod stock car.  This is an excellent kit and is the "proper width".

 

Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck Harriman stock car.

 

Neither of these cars had much publicity.  We should note that there are some excellent kits

out there that are under the radar.

 

Bill Pardie

 

On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:02 AM, <npin53@...> <npin53@...> wrote:



 

Builder's photographs show the 1930 built stock cars with trucks that match Tahoe #102/202. 

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER102withusers.pdf

 

The 1936 cars as built had trucks with a really wide spring spacing similar to Tahoe #108/208.

 

 

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER108withusers.pdf

 

There is a picture on the back cover of an Mainstreeter, with of a car getting trucks switch out, and it was getting T-section Bettendorf type.

 

I can share more information off list if anyone is interested.

 

Aaron

 

 





Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/25/2013 10:52 AM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:
Northern Pacific Historical Society also produced a resin stock car kit for the NP
83750 - 83999 �truss rod stock car. �This is an excellent kit and is the "proper width".

��� Checked their site and no mention of this car.

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Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

WILLIAM PARDIE
 


Along with the discussion of the Central Valley Northern Pacific stock car it should be noted 
that the Northern Pacific Historical Society also produced a resin stock car kit for the NP
83750 - 83999  truss rod stock car.  This is an excellent kit and is the "proper width".

Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck Harriman stock car.

Neither of these cars had much publicity.  We should note that there are some excellent kits
out there that are under the radar.

Bill Pardie

On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:02 AM, <npin53@...> <npin53@...> wrote:

 

Builder's photographs show the 1930 built stock cars with trucks that match Tahoe #102/202. 

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER102withusers.pdf


The 1936 cars as built had trucks with a really wide spring spacing similar to Tahoe #108/208.



http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER108withusers.pdf


There is a picture on the back cover of an Mainstreeter, with of a car getting trucks switch out, and it was getting T-section Bettendorf type.


I can share more information off list if anyone is interested.


Aaron




Re: Kit bash help

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 25, 2013, at 9:23 AM, <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

I am contemplating a bashing project for auto or furniture cars.  I
want to use the Red Caboose 40 ft steel cars and could use some help
with photos of candidates.

If anyone has photos of any of the following cars I would appreciate a
scan.  These should all be 10'-0" IH cars with 12 foot door openings.
 Hopefully I can find the ends and door types from the photos and can
get some help regarding trucks, roof walks and brake wheels once I get
the candidate list narrowed down to a doable project.
1. GM&O 30000-30025
2. L&N 46200-46399; 46900-47749
3. N&W 49000-49299
4. NYC 48057-48540; 54002-55595; 58000-58999; 67011-67602(end door
car); 61058-61686(end door car); 59000-59999(end door car)
Fenton,
The series GM&O 30000-30024 (originally GM&N) was built by ACF in 3-37
and had single-sheathed sides similar to the single door SS box car
20141 shown on p. 37 RP CYC Vol. 23 but with double doors.

Steve Johnson replied on the L&N cars, so I'll skip what I had written
except saying there's a photo of steel rebuild 46900 on p. 343 of the
1953 Car Builders' Cyclopedia showing a 3/4 view & the end doors.

N&W 49000-49199 were class BSa, 200 cars rebuilt auto cars in late-1934
to 1935. They were originally built by the railroad in 1927-1930 as
class BS auto cars in series 50000-51999. Photos of 49001 (side) and
49189 (3-4B) are on the N&W H.S. web site, and N&W 49048 is shown on the Virginia Tech website. The 49189 shows a Dreadnaught end (early
square-corner type, unlike the later 4-5 DN ends of the R.C. model), a
radial roof, and vertical-staff hand brake.

N&W 49200-49299 were class B2 round-roof auto cars built 11-36 by
Magor. A builder's photo is shown on p. 142 of the 1940 CBC and
in-service photos shown on p. 92-93 RP CYC Vol. 23.

Regarding the NYC cars in your list, many of them were USRA steel cars
renumbered and/or rebuilt and shown in the roster starting p. 90 RP CYC
Volume 21. Any photos that we could find were published in that
article. Anyway, I hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: L&N 40' box car question.

Steven D Johnson
 

Eric,

 

I don’t know if you need photos of any of the L&N Mt. Vernon-built cars being discussed, but the L&N Collection, University of Louisville Archives has 8 X 10 black and white photos of these:

 

No. 16626 – builder’s photo, ¾ view, printing at the bottom reads “50 Ton Steel Sheathed Box Cars, Mt. Vernon Car Manufacturing Division, Pressed Steel Car Company, Inc., Negative No. M-283 Job No. 10558”

 

No. 16576 – an L&N photo (3/4 view) showing the car in the “Friendship Train” paint scheme.  I’d love to see a color photo of this car, and have an HO model of it!

 

I can scan the photocopies I have.  You can also order high-res scans from UofL. 

 

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Neubauer
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:26 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] L&N 40' box car question.

 

 

So, L&N ordered 400 box cars each from Mt. Vernon and ACF in 7-45. The ACF lot was 2888. The MtV order would have been 150000-15399, but was cancelled. Then in 12-45, L&N ordered another 400 cars from ACF, lot 2950, which were delivered as 15000-15399. Nevertheless, L&N placed another order with MtV/PSC in 7-46 for 1000 cars. which became L&N 15800-16799.

 

My notes, probably from Ed Hawkins --

Lot 2950 is for 15000-15399
Lot 2888 is for 15400-15799

The 15600-15799 doors are 7 panel Superior. The Youngstown doors are all type YSD-1.

The Mt Vernon cars are 15800-16799, all with Youngstown YSD-2A doors.

The only photo I've ever seen of any of the above was in Model Railroading, April 1989.
There's a photo of the Speedwitch model here:
http://forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=49513

Tim O'
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Re: Kit bash help - L&N boxcars

Steven D Johnson
 

Fenton,

 

L&N 46200-46299 – built by Mt. Vernon 1929, outside braced, wood sides – have ca. 1942 car diagram and small stenciling diagram

L&N 46300-46300 – built by Mt. Vernon 1929, outside braced, wood sides – have ca. 1942 car diagram and small stenciling diagram 

L&N 46900-46999 – rebuilt in 1941 by L&N to steel cars from cars taken from L&N 7500-7999 built by Mt. Vernon in 1930 – have ca. 1942 car diagram and photocopy of page #371 from the 1957 Car and Locomotive Cyclopedia showing photo of #46900 and drawing of the Camel end door fixtures

L&N 47000-47749 – built by Mt. Vernon 1929, outside braced, wood sides – have ca. 1942 car diagram and photocopy of builder’s photo of #47643 and small stenciling diagram

 

Let me know if any of this material would be useful and I will photocopy or scan it for you.

 

Steve Johnson

 

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of srrfan1401@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:24 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Kit bash help

 

 

I am contemplating a bashing project for auto or furniture cars.  I want to use the Red Caboose 40 ft steel cars and could use some help with photos of candidates.

If anyone has photos of any of the following cars I would appreciate a scan.  These should all be 10'-0" IH cars with 12 foot door openings.  Hopefully I can find the ends and door types from the photos and can get some help regarding trucks, roof walks and brake wheels once I get the candidate list narrowed down to a doable project.

1. GM&O 30000-30025

2. L&N 46200-46399; 46900-47749

3. N&W 49000-49299

4. NYC 48057-48540; 54002-55595; 58000-58999; 67011-67602(end door car); 61058-61686(end door car); 59000-59999(end door car)

Thanks in advance

Fenton Wells


Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

npin53
 

Builder's photographs show the 1930 built stock cars with trucks that match Tahoe #102/202. 

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER102withusers.pdf


The 1936 cars as built had trucks with a really wide spring spacing similar to Tahoe #108/208.

http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/tahoe/FLYER108withusers.pdf


There is a picture on the back cover of an Mainstreeter, with of a car getting trucks switch out, and it was getting T-section Bettendorf type.


I can share more information off list if anyone is interested.


Aaron

74001 - 74020 of 194745