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Re: historical maps

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

If you are looking for free, historical USGS maps, go to:

 

http://store.usgs.gov/b2c_usgs/usgs/maplocator/%28xcm=r3standardpitrex_prd&layout=6_1_61_50_2&uiarea=2&ctype=areaDetails&carea=0000000009%29/.do

 

If you type "Vernon, California" in the search box, you'll get the general area. Then left click on the red highlighter. You'll get a list of available maps with the date of the map. If you sign up with the site (do that first), you can download any of the maps for free.

 

Jack Burgess

 

Tim

Thanks for that link. Too bad the RR maps don't cover post 1930. Looking for1930-1980 around Vernon Ca. Or is my lack of computer skills not letting me find them. LOL
 
Andy Jackson
Bellflower CA


Re: historical maps

 

Tim
Thanks for that link. Too bad the RR maps don't cover post 1930. Looking for1930-1980 around Vernon Ca. Or is my lack of computer skills not letting me find them. LOL
 
Andy Jackson
Bellflower CA


Re: UP Kitbash 40' Double Door SERVICE Help

Richard Townsend
 

The Athearn model, while having perhaps an accurate paint job (I haven't checked) is incorrect for the express boxes.  Among other things, it is too tall.  I am not at home so I don't have my references in front of me, but the cars were covered in one or two issues of the RPCyc (vols 6 and maybe 8).  There was an article on kitbashing the car from an Intermountain PFE R-40-25 reefer in an issue of the UPHS's Streamliner (vol 15, #3, with an update in vol 16, #1).  I did a kitbash years ago using a C&BT boxcar and a Front Range boxcar, and while I think I might have been able to come up with a more difficult approach I can't imagine how at this point.  At the time I thought my approach made sense.  I used Champ decals but Microscale makes a better set (87-683) for this car.  For trucks I used a set of Cape Line trucks; I think they were Symington-Gould High Speed (now available from Bethlehem Car Works as their #1219).

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


-----Original Message-----
From: geridee1
To: STMFC
Sent: Thu, Dec 26, 2013 3:01 pm
Subject: [STMFC] UP Kitbash 40&#39; Double Door SERVICE Help

 
UP Challenger Merchandise Service
UP Two-tone Grey Express Service
UP Armour Yellow Express Service
On the Athearn site all these boxcars were offered in 2005-8 and are here: Athearn page covering the UP express boxcars released between 2005 and 2008and here: http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=40%27+Box+RTR+Double&CatID=THRF&RN=UP. All shown are double door 40' boxcars
I also read that the 40' double door boxcars Athearn used were a hold over from their purchase of Model Die Casting and it looks as if similar boxcars, under numerous Flags were produced by Roundhouse and may be during the same time period and from the same production mold as well.
Although the paint schemes may (or may not?) be correct for all the boxcars Athearn used to create double door sales, I need some direction to clarify how the UP Service boxcars were specifically painted and how the exterior structure should be created in an accurate model.
I would appreciate all input and direction, especially from individuals who have modeled these particular boxcars, or modeled the 40s-50s double door boxcar on which it looks to be based.
I hope you can help,
Joeldee/Berlin


Re: historical maps

Douglas Harding
 

Dan, the atlas works fine with Firefox. The maps do have some animation, so you may need an addon or plugin to get them to function.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Fw: (erielack) Steamtown Images--December 27, 2013 (C3771 thru C3775)

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Cool! for those that don't recognize the design, this is the PSC side sill less version of their more familiar design. Both designs are very similar except for the side sill. Since there is little difference in light weight between the two, it is likely the plate is thicker of the sill less version. So, no side sill, no side plate. The side panels are simply bent to add a flange at the top and at the bottom.
 
Eric

The link below will take you to a complete set of photos of a DLW steel coal car built in 1902 taken by the railroad company photographer in 1916. Excellent photos for modeling purposes. 
Bob Stafford

On Friday, December 27, 2013 3:46 AM, "McKnight, Richard" <pat_mcknight@...> wrote:

NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
following URL into your web browser:


http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-12-27-13

C3771.jpg (image/jpeg, 2944x2298 792039 bytes, BF: 8.54 ppb)
C3772.jpg (image/jpeg, 2944x2298 1329546 bytes, BF: 5.09 ppb)
C3773.jpg (image/jpeg, 2944x2298 799255 bytes, BF: 8.46 ppb)
C3774.jpg (image/jpeg, 2916x2298 808962 bytes, BF: 8.28 ppb)
C3775.jpg (image/jpeg, 2998x2298 864303 bytes, BF: 7.97 ppb)

Please find attached the following negatives:

C3771--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72253--side--[1916.11.18]
C3772--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72253--top--[1916.11.18]
C3773--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72907--side--[1916.11.18]
C3774--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72907--end--[1916.11.18]
C3775--DL&W Coal Hoppers undergoing work--[1916.11.18]

If you have any additional comments on any of these images, let me know and
I will update our database.  Also, if any of you would like to assist with
scanning (and are in the Scranton area) I am always happy to sign up new
volunteers.

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA


Re: historical maps

Dan L. Merkel <danmerkel@...>
 

This "looks" interesting but I can't get it to work in either IE or Chrome.
 
dlm
---------------------------------
Dan L. Merkel
NKPHTS Membership Director
http://thecourier.typepad.com/alongtherightofway/


Fw: (erielack) Steamtown Images--December 27, 2013 (C3771 thru C3775)

erielack1
 

The link below will take you to a complete set of photos of a DLW steel coal car built in 1902 taken by the railroad company photographer in 1916. Excellent photos for modeling purposes. 
Bob Stafford

On Friday, December 27, 2013 3:46 AM, "McKnight, Richard" wrote:

NOTE: This message had contained at least one image attachment.
To view or download the image(s), click on or cut and paste the
following URL into your web browser:


http://lists.railfan.net/listthumb.cgi?erielack-12-27-13

C3771.jpg (image/jpeg, 2944x2298 792039 bytes, BF: 8.54 ppb)
C3772.jpg (image/jpeg, 2944x2298 1329546 bytes, BF: 5.09 ppb)
C3773.jpg (image/jpeg, 2944x2298 799255 bytes, BF: 8.46 ppb)
C3774.jpg (image/jpeg, 2916x2298 808962 bytes, BF: 8.28 ppb)
C3775.jpg (image/jpeg, 2998x2298 864303 bytes, BF: 7.97 ppb)

Please find attached the following negatives:

C3771--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72253--side--[1916.11.18]
C3772--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72253--top--[1916.11.18]
C3773--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72907--side--[1916.11.18]
C3774--DL&W Coal Hopper no. 72907--end--[1916.11.18]
C3775--DL&W Coal Hoppers undergoing work--[1916.11.18]

If you have any additional comments on any of these images, let me know and
I will update our database.  Also, if any of you would like to assist with
scanning (and are in the Scranton area) I am always happy to sign up new
volunteers.

--
Patrick McKnight
Historian/Archivist
Steamtown NHS
150 S. Washington Avenue
Scranton, PA

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Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

Chuck Soule
 

In addition to the info provided by Chris Frissell for ordering the kits from the NPRHA Company Store, Aaron Gjermundson previously posted info about the trucks.  I think it is message 121096.


Chuck Soule


Mt. Vernon 1920s orders

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Can anyone help untangle these orders? These were the days when railroads liked to spread their orders around.
 
Southern 165000-166269 and 305000-305799 (XM) include 570 cars built by Mt. Vernon and 1500 built by ACF. They were ordered in about 3-23. Perhaps some one knows which were built by ACF (lot 9578) and the Mt. Vernon cars can be determined by process of elimination.
 
Southern 162000-164999 (XM) includes 1000 by Mt. Vernon and 2000 by ACF. They were ordered in about10-24. The ACF lot is 9881.
 
ART 17750-18949 (RS) include 750 by Mt. Vernon and 450 by General Ameican ordered about 9-24.
 
IC 217750-218749 (GS) include 500 each by Mt. Vernon and Ryan ordered in about 9-24.
 
IC 205200-205699, 207200-208199 (GS) include 3 orders of 500 cars each built by WSC&F, Bettendorf, and Mt. Vernon. They were ordered about 7-22.
 
Then there are two that need confirmation:
 
M&O 24595-24844? (XM) ordered from Mt. Vernon in 12-27.
C&EI 94000-94499? (GS) ordered from Mt. Vernon in 10-29.
 
Any help would be appreciated,
Eric
 
 


Re: FCCC box cars

Benjamin Hom
 

Phil Clark asked:
"I'd wonder who inspired the Spanish / English lettering maker for the foobie of 17349 on http://www.trainresource.com/Cuba_boxcar.html

Scroll down and follow their links!
 
The car in question is about 1/3 of the way down the page.
http://www.camagueycuba.org/fccc/5DelMaterialRodante.htm
 
 
Ben Hom


Re: FCCC box cars

Phil Clark
 

I'd wonder who inspired the Spanish / English lettering maker for the foobie of 17349 on http://www.trainresource.com/Cuba_boxcar.html


Phil Clark, Catarman, Philippines


Adding Tahoe brake gear to other trucks

Andy Carlson
 

Hello,

I have many Tahoe Model Works brake shoes/rigging pieces from the Tahoe 5'6" wb 50-ton trucks. Our own Dan Smith has been experimenting by retro-fitting TMW brake shoes to various other brands of trucks. Almost any one-piece truck can be modified to accept these brakes. Involves mostly trimming bolsters to fit the brake parts, snapping on the brakes after removing the "devils horns" (what I call the molded on brake shoes found on most trucks).

Offered at $1/pair (enough for one freight car), plus shipping of $0.75/order.
I accept checks and money orders. Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai Ca


Re: NP Stock Cars represented by Central Valley kit

leakinmywaders
 

Hi all, the Gjermundson-mastered kit for the Whipple Car Co. 1913  NP stock car was stocked and available to anyone by mail order at the NPRHA Company Store at www.nprha.org for a year or two.  (See http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/gjermundson/npstockmain.html for further information on the kit and prototype).  Like many high-quality resin kits, the production run was limited, the kit sold out, and it is not presently available.   


However a package of four prototype-width cast resin ends useful for those who want to modify the NP Central Valley styrene stock car kits to correct scale width (8ft 9in over the side sills, e.g., see http://research.nprha.org/NP%20Stock%20Cars/Stock%20Cars%2040%20Ft.%2082500-82749.jpg) has been re-stocked, and is available at the NPRHA Company Store at $12.50 for a package of four (plus shipping).   


Chris Frissell

Polson, MT 


Re: Thank You for Upcoming Bash at The Beach

Mikebrock
 

Bill,
I, and I'm sure the others, appreciate your comments. I understand that the visiting hours in the asylum are somewhat limited so I won't be able to thank you in person.

Mike Brock


In case it should somehow be forgotten, I wanted to extend my thanks and gratitude to the principle people involved in the upcoming Prototype Rails that year in year out graciously give some of their valuable time to organize this annual event that so many of us have come to love and enjoy participating in. In naming the four I know of I acknowledge I am leaving some out and ask that my appreciation be extended by those whose names I know.


Thank you Marty, Scott, Jeff and Mike!


Bill Welch


Thank You for Upcoming Bash at The Beach

Bill Welch
 

In case it should somehow be forgotten, I wanted to extend my thanks and gratitude to the principle people involved in the upcoming Prototype Rails that year in year out graciously give some of their valuable time to organize this annual event that so many of us have come to love and enjoy participating in. In naming the four I know of I acknowledge I am leaving some out and ask that my appreciation be extended by those whose names I know.


Thank you Marty, Scott, Jeff and Mike!

Bill Welch


Re: IM ACF Sherwin Williams Covered Hoppers

 

My guess would be dried pigments. I know they hauled linseed oil in their tank cars.

Rich Christie


On Thursday, December 26, 2013 3:45 PM, Brian Carlson wrote:
 
I’m trying to get some modeling down while off on the holidays. I have an IM Sherwin Williams 1958 CF Covered Hopper.  I’ve made the required updates  but I am at a lose to how I should weather the car. What did these carry? RPC 27 isn’t much help since most photos are builders photos.
 
Brian J. Carlson, P.E.
Cheektowaga, NY
 



IM ACF Sherwin Williams Covered Hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

I’m trying to get some modeling down while off on the holidays. I have an IM Sherwin Williams 1958 CF Covered Hopper.  I’ve made the required updates  but I am at a lose to how I should weather the car. What did these carry? RPC 27 isn’t much help since most photos are builders photos.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 


Re: UPHS Stock Car

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Brian:

The article was one of Richard's excellent offerings. It was in the Fall 2009 issue
(Volume 23 NO. 4) of the streamliner.

The car is an S-40-6. I believe that I left that off of my original post.

Bill Pardie

On Dec 25, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mike Brock wrote:

Bill Pardie rites:

"Along the same lines the Union Pacific society has a kit for a double deck
Harriman stock car."

I'll have mine at Prototype Rails.

Mike Brock



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UP Kitbash 40' Double Door SERVICE Help

JoelDee
 

UP Challenger Merchandise Service

UP Two-tone Grey Express Service

UP Armour Yellow Express Service

On the Athearn site all these boxcars were offered in 2005-8 and are here: Athearn page covering the UP express boxcars released between 2005 and 2008and here: http://www.athearn.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=40%27+Box+RTR+Double&CatID=THRF&RN=UP. All shown are double door 40' boxcars

I also read that the 40' double door boxcars Athearn used were a hold over from their purchase of Model Die Casting and it looks as if similar boxcars, under numerous Flags were produced by Roundhouse and may be during the same time period and from the same production mold as well.

Although the paint schemes may (or may not?) be correct for all the boxcars Athearn used to create double door sales, I need some direction to clarify how the UP Service boxcars were specifically painted and how the exterior structure should be created in an accurate model.

I would appreciate all input and direction, especially from individuals who have modeled these particular boxcars, or modeled the 40s-50s double door boxcar on which it looks to be based.

I hope you can help,

Joeldee/Berlin


historical maps

Tim O'Connor
 

Slightly off topic but there I know many railroad fans are also avid map
readers and there are some fascinating US maps here including railroads,
land grants, mail routes, and many other things from the 19th and 20th
centuries.

http://dsl.richmond.edu/historicalatlas/

Tim O'Connor

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