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Re: Cocoa Beach Hilton
s shaffer
From: "Andy Harman"
Apparently the Cocoa Beach Hilton - and according to staff - ALL HiltonsAndy, you are in the South, how can an extra fourty five minutes of sack time be a bad thing. Wait a bit, maybe I figured that wrong. Andy, you are in the South, you have a woman with you, how can her having an extra 45 minutes to get ready be a bad thing. Then you will only be an hour and fifteen minutes late. Wait a bit, maybe I figured that wrong. Andy, you are in the South, relax, it is too hot to care what time it is. Living in the other South. Steve Shaffer Las Cruces, New Mexico
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Re: NC&StL Steel rebuilds on 70200 series (Tichy) flat car
Stanley Agar
HI Bill,
If you should have a kit left I would be interested.
I'm the owner of the New Zealand copy of the
NC&StL book!
Regards
Stan Agar Christchurch NZ
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Re: Rapido Reefers
Andy Harman
I didn't win the kit... or any of the other reefers. What I did win isn't appropriate for this group....
Andy
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Re: New Rapido Reefers
As stated here in On January 19, 2011 by Bill himself, Also, a caveat before anybody else points it out... While all other schemes are correct for the version of the car as modeled, we are aware that the Swift car is in fact a 1936 built car which should have the earlier underframe arrangement with straight side sills and a vertical brake staff. I’m sure he wanted to be reminded of that date. It seems to be a straight forward modification to the car.
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga, NY
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of wpmccoy@...
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:41 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] New Rapido Reefers
Is the Swift 2700 seris reefer they offer correct? Based on past BLBP experience with Bill it is but I want to be sure. Thanks,
Bill McCoy Strasburg, PA
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Re: Rapido Reefers
Bill, glad to know you can sing. I, for one, look forward to seeing/getting this crucial freight car. I can always use a few more meat reefers.
Doug Harding www.iowacentralrr.org
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Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question
Eric, here's a slightly better photo --
Tim Just 35 built by Bethlehem Steel in 1950, LNE 12666-12700. May differ from usual design. No cut-outs in side. I've never seen one except rebuilt to ballast car by CR. Eric
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Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
12701-12800 were built by Pullman. I guess they are
pretty close to the ACF design. My notes indicate cut-outs in the side
sheets. 12666-12700 are the same general design, but are about 7" lower, hence
the lower cubic capacity.
All the lower numbers are the ACF design with the
drop sill and shorter length. Most have 10 hatches, but the last 100
(12566-12665) have only 8.
The LNE 18000s held P-S, GSC, and ACF newer design
cars with round hatches. They were quickly sold off before the LNE shut down in
1961. LNE Railway which took over part of the property afterwards got all
the older covered hopper cars.
Eric
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Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question
Brian, here's what I know --
The main block of covered hoppers was 12101-12665, 26'3" IL x 13' 0" EXH, listed as 1790 cft The L&NE had two smaller series of covered hoppers 12666-12700, 29'3" IL x 12' 5" EXH, listed as 1790 cft 12701-12801, 29'3" IL x 12'11" EXH, listed as 1892 cft Here's the weird part -- I have PHOTOS of 12757, 12760 -- both of them are stenciled 1958 cft (!!) and both show a built date of 1953, which is consistent with the time when other 1958's were being built. Moreover, even AFTER the demise of the L&NE and the transfer of many cars to the Central RR of NJ, the CNJ listing for 1965 still shows 12701-12801 as 1892 cft! As for builders I can't say -- I think the L&NE bought covered hoppers from Greenville, Pullman Standard, ACF, and Bethlehem. I don't have a breakdown of LNE builders and number series, etc. Tim O'Connor A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England. I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones. Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies? I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars. While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones? Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars. I should really splurge for an ORER, huh? Thanks for any and all assistance! Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB
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Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
Just 35 built by Bethlehem Steel in 1950, LNE
12666-12700. May differ from usual design. No cut-outs in side. I've
never seen one except rebuilt to ballast car by CR.
Eric
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Lehigh & New England covered hopper question
Brian LaManna
Hello List,
A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England. I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones. Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies? I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars. While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones? Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars. I should really splurge for an ORER, huh? Thanks for any and all assistance! Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB
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Re: Second grab iron on car sides
It's important to note that some railroads never added the 2nd grab. I have a photos of CGW 1923 ARA cars that show no second grabs in the 50s. When building my model I had to fill in the upper mounting holes on the red caboose model. I'm not sure how many railroads didn't comply. I think I've seen some Canadian cars with only one grab too. Brian Carlson
On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, guycwilber@... wrote:
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Re: Second grab iron on car sides
According to the booklet: "United States Safety Appliances for All Classes of Cars and Locomotives Revised to August 1, 1945" the second grab was adopted as Standard by the Mechanical Division, American Railway Association in 1932. Eric LombardProfessor Emeritus Organismal Biology, University of Chicago Research Associate, Field Museum of Natural History 708-720-0566 Mail to: Geology Department Field Museum of Natural History 1400 S. Lake Shore Drive Chicago, IL 60605-2496 
On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM, <frograbbit602@...> wrote:
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Re: Second grab iron on car sides
Guy Wilber
Lester asked about the requirement for the additional grab iron on the left
side of cars. The information is in the archives; messages 60307, 88153
and probably several others.
From the Interchange rules:
Rule 3, Section (s) Note (2) Safety Appliances: Additional grab iron on
side of car at end opposite side ladder, in accordance with A.R.A. Standard location, required on all house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933. From owners. Note. -- it is recommended that when house cars, hopper cars and high side gondola cars built new or rebuilt prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class I general repairs, additional grab irons as specified above be applied. Regards,
Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada
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Re: Second grab iron on car sides
Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
1930 or later
1932 or earlier
Maybe someone can get it closer. Not many cars
built those years.
Eric
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Second grab iron on car sides
frograbbit602
I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides. Need the year. Thanks in advance.
Lester Breuer
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Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers
Rich C
And also the IM kit version has 135 lines of assembly instruction! But a beautiful kit, I bought 3 of them cheap on eBay. Rich Christie
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote: Ed, I thought the consensus was that the Kato models were more like the GATC clones than actual ACF cars. Several builders built nearly identical 1958 cft cars. Tim O'Connor The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: ex-PRR X41a
Rich C
Tim, According to my Excel file on Sunshine availability, the X41's are still listed as available, but my file only goes to July 2013. That type of end door needs to be scratched. Have not seen any "modernized" end doors. Rich Christie
On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:49 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote: Although this photo postdates the end of time (12/31/1960)
I thought it might be interesting as a reference to anyone building the Sunshine kit. Only the end-door has been changed to protect the innocent. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321290328634 Tim O'
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ex-PRR X41a
Although this photo postdates the end of time (12/31/1960)
I thought it might be interesting as a reference to anyone building the Sunshine kit. Only the end-door has been changed to protect the innocent. http://www.ebay.com/itm/321290328634 Tim O'
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Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers
Ed, I thought the consensus was that the Kato models were more like
the GATC clones than actual ACF cars. Several builders built nearly identical 1958 cft cars. Tim O'Connor The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers
steel77086@...
Ed,
Thanks for the info.
Vince Altiere
In a message dated 1/11/2014 12:46:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hawk0621@... writes:
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