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Re: Cocoa Beach Hilton

s shaffer
 

From: "Andy Harman"
Apparently the Cocoa Beach Hilton - and according to staff - ALL Hiltons
are equipped with the World's Dumbest Clock. Mine was 45 minutes slow, not
all that unusual. I went to reset it and....
Andy, you are in the South, how can an extra fourty five minutes of sack time be a bad thing.

Wait a bit, maybe I figured that wrong.

Andy, you are in the South, you have a woman with you, how can her having an extra 45 minutes to get ready be a bad thing. Then you will only be an hour and fifteen minutes late.

Wait a bit, maybe I figured that wrong.

Andy, you are in the South, relax, it is too hot to care what time it is.

Living in the other South.
Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico


Re: NC&StL Steel rebuilds on 70200 series (Tichy) flat car

Stanley Agar
 

HI Bill,

If you should have a kit left I would be interested.

I'm the owner of the New Zealand copy of the NC&StL book!

Regards

Stan Agar
Christchurch NZ


Re: Rapido Reefers

Andy Harman
 

I didn't win the kit... or any of the other reefers. What I did win isn't appropriate for this group....

Andy


Re: New Rapido Reefers

Brian Carlson
 

As stated here in On January 19, 2011 by Bill himself, Also, a caveat before anybody else points it out... While all other schemes are correct for the version of the car as modeled, we are aware that the Swift car is in fact a 1936 built car which should have the earlier underframe arrangement with straight side sills and a vertical brake staff.

I’m sure he wanted to be reminded of that date.  It seems to be a straight forward modification to the car.

 

Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga, NY

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of wpmccoy@...
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:41 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] New Rapido Reefers

 

 

Is the Swift 2700 seris reefer they offer correct? Based on past BLBP experience with Bill it is but I want to be sure.

Thanks,

 

Bill McCoy

Strasburg, PA


Re: Rapido Reefers

Douglas Harding
 

Bill, glad to know you can sing. I, for one, look forward to seeing/getting this crucial freight car. I can always use a few more meat reefers.

 

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 


Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question

Tim O'Connor
 

Eric, here's a slightly better photo --

Tim


Just 35 built by Bethlehem Steel in 1950, LNE 12666-12700. May differ from usual design.
No cut-outs in side. I've never seen one except rebuilt to ballast car by CR.
Eric


Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

12701-12800 were built by Pullman. I guess they are pretty close to the ACF design. My notes indicate cut-outs in the side sheets. 12666-12700 are the same general design, but are about 7" lower, hence the lower cubic capacity.
 
All the lower numbers are the ACF design with the drop sill and shorter length. Most have 10 hatches, but the last 100 (12566-12665) have only 8.
 
The LNE 18000s held P-S, GSC, and ACF newer design cars with round hatches. They were quickly sold off before the LNE shut down in 1961. LNE Railway which took over part of the property afterwards got all the older covered hopper cars.
 
Eric
 
 

 

Brian, here's what I know --

The main block of covered hoppers was

12101-12665, 26'3" IL x 13' 0" EXH, listed as 1790 cft

The L&NE had two smaller series of covered hoppers

12666-12700, 29'3" IL x 12' 5" EXH, listed as 1790 cft
12701-12801, 29'3" IL x 12'11" EXH, listed as 1892 cft

Here's the weird part -- I have PHOTOS of 12757, 12760 -- both
of them are stenciled 1958 cft (!!) and both show a built date
of 1953, which is consistent with the time when other 1958's
were being built. Moreover, even AFTER the demise of the L&NE
and the transfer of many cars to the Central RR of NJ, the CNJ
listing for 1965 still shows 12701-12801 as 1892 cft!

As for builders I can't say -- I think the L&NE bought covered
hoppers from Greenville, Pullman Standard, ACF, and Bethlehem.
I don't have a breakdown of LNE builders and number series, etc.

Tim O'Connor

A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England. I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones. Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies? I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars.
While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones? Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars.
I should really splurge for an ORER, huh?
Thanks for any and all assistance!
Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question

Tim O'Connor
 

Brian, here's what I know --

The main block of covered hoppers was

12101-12665, 26'3" IL x 13' 0" EXH, listed as 1790 cft

The L&NE had two smaller series of covered hoppers

12666-12700, 29'3" IL x 12' 5" EXH, listed as 1790 cft
12701-12801, 29'3" IL x 12'11" EXH, listed as 1892 cft

Here's the weird part -- I have PHOTOS of 12757, 12760 -- both
of them are stenciled 1958 cft (!!) and both show a built date
of 1953, which is consistent with the time when other 1958's
were being built. Moreover, even AFTER the demise of the L&NE
and the transfer of many cars to the Central RR of NJ, the CNJ
listing for 1965 still shows 12701-12801 as 1892 cft!

As for builders I can't say -- I think the L&NE bought covered
hoppers from Greenville, Pullman Standard, ACF, and Bethlehem.
I don't have a breakdown of LNE builders and number series, etc.

Tim O'Connor



A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England. I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones. Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies? I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars.
While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones? Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars.
I should really splurge for an ORER, huh?
Thanks for any and all assistance!
Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Lehigh & New England covered hopper question

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 

Just 35 built by Bethlehem Steel in 1950, LNE 12666-12700. May differ from usual design. No cut-outs in side. I've never seen one except rebuilt to ballast car by CR.
 
Eric

Hello List,

A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England.  I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones.  Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies?  I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars.  

While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones?  Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars.

I should really splurge for an ORER, huh?  

Thanks for any and all assistance!

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Lehigh & New England covered hopper question

Brian LaManna
 

Hello List,

A number of years back, Intermountain offered their 1958 cu. ft. 70 ton covered hopper in Lehigh & New England.  I enjoyed the article about the ACF-design hoppers in the most recent RP CYC and it is mentioned that other builders produced clones.  Did the LNE own clones of the ACF cars or are the Intermountain cars foobies?  I know that LNE had 1790 cu ft cars.  

While I'm at it: Did the Lackawanna own any 1958 cu ft ACF clones?  Again, I know they had 1790 cu ft cars.

I should really splurge for an ORER, huh?  

Thanks for any and all assistance!

Brian LaManna/Moncton, NB


Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Brian Carlson
 

It's important to note that some railroads never added the 2nd grab. I have a photos of CGW 1923 ARA cars that show no second grabs in the 50s. When building my model I had to fill in the upper mounting holes on the red caboose model. I'm not sure how many railroads didn't comply. I think I've seen some Canadian cars with only one grab too. 
Brian Carlson 


On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, guycwilber@... wrote:

 

Lester asked about the requirement for the additional grab iron on the left side of cars.  The information is in the archives; messages 60307, 88153 and probably several others.
 
From the Interchange rules:
 
Rule 3, Section (s) Note (2) Safety Appliances: Additional grab iron on
side of car at end opposite side ladder, in accordance with A.R.A. Standard
location, required on all house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars
built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933. From owners.

Note. -- it is recommended that when house cars, hopper cars and high side
gondola cars built new or rebuilt prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class I
general repairs, additional grab irons as specified above be applied.
 
Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

 


Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Eric Lombard
 

According to the booklet: "United States Safety Appliances for All Classes of Cars and Locomotives Revised to August 1, 1945" the second grab was adopted as Standard by the Mechanical Division, American Railway Association in 1932.

Eric Lombard

Professor Emeritus
Organismal Biology, University of Chicago
Research Associate, Field Museum of Natural History
708-720-0566 
Mail to:
Geology Department
Field Museum of Natural History
1400 S. Lake Shore Drive
Chicago, IL 60605-2496


On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 4:44 PM, <frograbbit602@...> wrote:
 

I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides.  Need the year.  Thanks in advance.

Lester Breuer



Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Guy Wilber
 

Lester asked about the requirement for the additional grab iron on the left side of cars.  The information is in the archives; messages 60307, 88153 and probably several others.
 
From the Interchange rules:
 
Rule 3, Section (s) Note (2) Safety Appliances: Additional grab iron on
side of car at end opposite side ladder, in accordance with A.R.A. Standard
location, required on all house cars, hopper cars, and high side gondola cars
built new or rebuilt on or after August 1, 1933. From owners.

Note. -- it is recommended that when house cars, hopper cars and high side
gondola cars built new or rebuilt prior to August 1, 1933, receive Class I
general repairs, additional grab irons as specified above be applied.
 
Regards,

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada

 


Re: Second grab iron on car sides

Eric Neubauer <eaneubauer@...>
 


1930 or later
1932 or earlier
 
Maybe someone can get it closer. Not many cars built those years.
 
Eric
 
 


 

I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides.  Need the year.  Thanks in advance.

Lester Breuer
 
.


Second grab iron on car sides

frograbbit602
 

I can not find the year the second grab iron was added to car sides.  Need the year.  Thanks in advance.

Lester Breuer


Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

Rich C
 

And also the IM kit version has 135 lines of assembly instruction! But a beautiful kit, I bought 3 of them cheap on eBay.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:42 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
 

Ed, I thought the consensus was that the Kato models were more like
the GATC clones than actual ACF cars. Several builders built nearly
identical 1958 cft cars.

Tim O'Connor

The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins




Re: ex-PRR X41a

Rich C
 

Tim, According to my Excel file on Sunshine availability, the X41's are still listed as available, but my file only goes to July 2013. That type of end door needs to be scratched. Have not seen any "modernized" end doors.

Rich Christie


On Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:49 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
 
Although this photo postdates the end of time (12/31/1960)
I thought it might be interesting as a reference to anyone
building the Sunshine kit. Only the end-door has been changed
to protect the innocent.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321290328634

Tim O'




ex-PRR X41a

Tim O'Connor
 

Although this photo postdates the end of time (12/31/1960)
I thought it might be interesting as a reference to anyone
building the Sunshine kit. Only the end-door has been changed
to protect the innocent.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321290328634

Tim O'


Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

Ed, I thought the consensus was that the Kato models were more like
the GATC clones than actual ACF cars. Several builders built nearly
identical 1958 cft cars.

Tim O'Connor




The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design, but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model, whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: intermountain 1958 cu.ft. 2 bay hoppers

steel77086@...
 

Ed,
 
Thanks for the info.
 
Vince Altiere
 

In a message dated 1/11/2014 12:46:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hawk0621@... writes:

On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:08 AM, wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if the 1958 2 bay covered hoppers are/were
> originally the ones produced by KATO ??? Thanks in advance for the
> help.
>
>
Vince,
The two models are based on the same ACF 1,958 cu. ft. 70-ton design,
but the InterMountain models come with far better detailing. Among
other improvements are wire grabs and locking bars on the IM model,
whereas the Kato model is molded plastic. Also, there are differences
with the end post arrangement.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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